***** Official Deus Irae 9/7/2014 game observations (and more) thread *****

luuked said:

James I never said that it was the WRs fault. I just said that there was some miscommunication/misunderstanding. My point was that given Bradys reaction I don't think it was an overthrow but he expected Edelman to keep on running.

Here is his reaction: http://gfycat.com/AgedWigglyChuckwalla

I am might be reading it wrong..

The Gronk play came at 3:14 in the fourth quarter after the Dolphins were up 30:20.

Here is the play: http://gfycat.com/FakeHideousAmericanmarten

Again, looks to me like miscommunication.

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i apologize if i was too defensive........i looked at the gronk play......im not sure.....maybe it was gronks fault.....

i still feel strongly that the edelman play was bradys fault.....both angles show that he should have just led him to the sideline, imo......i get incredulous at the "brady is infallible" crowd sometimes

james87654 said:

i apologize if i was too defensive........i looked at the gronk play......im not sure.....maybe it was gronks fault.....

i still feel strongly that the edelman play was bradys fault.....both angles show that he should have just led him to the sideline, imo......i get incredulous at the "brady is infallible" crowd sometimes

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I agree with you that Brady is of course not infallible. I am sure that there are many throws that he wants back.

What makes me a bit furstrated is people automatically saying that he overthrew Edelman. I really think that he was expecting Edelman to do something else and this is why the pass went there, and not because he is becoming more and more inaccurate.

Whether Edelman's read or Brady's read was the better one I honestly don't know. It seems to me that the route Edelman was running was a higher percentage option but what the hell do I know. Maybe it would have been a TD throw if Edelman stayed on the route upfield and caught the ball in full stride.

I don't want to argue about those decisions, I just want to make a point that it was not necessarily an overthrown, inaccurate pass.

Rob0729 said:

Yeah, he really doesn't hide his agenda very well does he? He basically wanted to say this team would have been much better yesterday with Welker, Mankins, and Kelly while both Amendola and Wright sucks, but just threw in a bunch of other stuff to hide his true agenda.

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At first glance, Patriots have some huge holes - The Boston Globe

“We did pretty good against him last time,” Odrick said of Mankins. “I was hoping he’d come back.”
Fair enough. Mankins, 32, allowed three sacks last December when the Dolphins beat the Patriots, 24-20, so I’m not sure he would have saved the day on Sunday.

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Odrick said it all.

The problem yesterday wasn't the lack of Mankins. Would he have helped? Odrick made him his ***** last year, he would have done the same yesterday.

The denigration of Tim Wright's performance yesterday is just a head scratcher. 99% of people understand that he will have to develop some chemistry with Brady and the playbook first. What he did yesterday was beyond what should be expected at this point.

The Pats were facing what is known as one of the best DL's in the game.

The Pats were facing what is known as one of the worst OL's in the game.

The game was lost by our DL getting pwned by Knowshon Moreno running behind shmutz.

shmessy said:

The problem yesterday wasn't the lack of Mankins. Would he have helped? Odrick made him his ***** last year, he would have done the same yesterday.

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I generally agree with you about Mankins not helping against the pass rush that much. However, I think might have helped us in the run game. Not sure how much more effective we would have been with him or how much it would have helped overall, but I feel strongly that he would have been an improvement in the run game.

Moreno did as well as he did because the Patriots didn't have a clue on how to defend the run-option Miami was using.

Like every time they see something new, they struggled and couldn't adapt to it so were playing off the back foot.

Deus Irae said:

Dobson better tape an aspirin to whatever ails him and get out there, because this WR group doesn't have an OWR1, unless he's

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You mean BB decision that Don Jones the 6th Safety who had been there for about 5 minutes was more important to the game than Dobson was?

shmessy said:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-huge-holes/2LGxyb4wfHQPZn2gSuWUbL/story.html

“We did pretty good against him last time,” Odrick said of Mankins. “I was hoping he’d come back.”
Fair enough. Mankins, 32, allowed three sacks last December when the Dolphins beat the Patriots, 24-20, so I’m not sure he would have saved the day on Sunday.

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Odrick said it all.

The problem yesterday wasn't the lack of Mankins. Would he have helped? Odrick made him his ***** last year, he would have done the same yesterday.

The denigration of Tim Wright's performance yesterday is just a head scratcher. 99% of people understand that he will have to develop some chemistry with Brady and the playbook first. What he did yesterday was beyond what should be expected at this point.

The Pats were facing what is known as one of the best DL's in the game.

The Pats were facing what is known as one of the worst OL's in the game.

The game was lost by our DL getting pwned by Knowshon Moreno running behind shmutz.

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I agree. Mankins was not the difference to the problems on the o-line yesterday. Well that said except I felt the constant substitutions yesterday did not allow the o-line get any consistency (Belichick and McDaniels needs to pick five starters and stick with them). The Pats were getting killed on the outside rush which Mankins couldn't help.

As for the Wright thing, Deus has already made up his mind that he is a bust because he is just a WR pretending to be TE and he decided that he would use this to justify his opinion. I was hopeful they could have given him a package to make him effective, but he has been on the team for less than two weeks.

Deus used to be an intelligent and rational poster, but he is now just a disgruntled fan with an agenda. He has his opinion and once he makes it, he is right and anyone disagrees with him is a moron and his opinion will never change. For example, he has said that the Jamie Collins selection will always be a bad pick even if Collins ends up going to the HOF because he wasn't a need pick (which is funny because I think the Pats need at least one more of his type of LB).

As someone who generally goes straight for in BB we trust, I'm in shock of how in shock I am of some of the coaching/GM decisions.

I don't think we've tried running the 34 with personnel less suited for it than yesterday. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. It was obvious we were going to get gashed by the run the moment the game started, and we made no adjustments.

Vellano is not a good player, in 34 or 43, and he should not be starting alongside Wilfork. I do not understand why Kelly was cut.

And the rotations at OL...I don't get it. Maybe they were trying to beat the heat, but I think they outsmarted themselves at that one. Just put your 5 best guys out there and let them focus on their position. And keep Wendell on the sideline.

BradyManny said:

I do not understand why Kelly was cut.

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He asked to be.

If anyone honestly thinks BB would rather have Joe Vellano out there than Tommy Kelly then I dont know what to say. Just go look at the preseason it's not like Kelly was out there in the 3rd a d 4th quarter like most of the other guys that got cut. BB wanted him but for reasons Kelly wanted out of here. That move aint on BB it was either keep him against his will and risk having a guy that wouldnt give his all or just release him

Rob0729 said:

Deus used to be an intelligent and rational poster, but he is now just a disgruntled fan with an agenda. He has his opinion and once he makes it, he is right and anyone disagrees with him is a moron and his opinion will never change. For example, he has said that the Jamie Collins selection will always be a bad pick even if Collins ends up going to the HOF because he wasn't a need pick (which is funny because I think the Pats need at least one more of his type of LB).

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i enjoy hearing what deus has to say.....but it seems like his agenda is that, Brady is the best ever, and if we dont win the SB in any given year, its the other players and coaches fault

that being said, his contributions are impressive.......love ya deus........

...Was BB suppose to do something about the sun?

There are three basic truths to playing in the heat and humidity IMO:

1) Bigger guys will get hit harder by it.

2) Fundamentals start to get sloppy as your focus starts to plummet.

3) You know how to pace yourself / handle it better if you're used to playing in it.

With those three things, it's no surprise that in the second half Miami dominated at the line of scrimmage and our defenders flat out missed a lot of tackles. At 23-20, we had Moreno STUFFED at the 8 yard line and Wilfork of all people couldn't bring him down. That's a field goal there and we have a fighting chance.

Lots went wrong, not going to blame the entire thing on the heat, but it played a factor for sure. Hopefully it's nice and frigid in December for the rematch.

Deus Irae said:

I'm tired.

1. I normally defend the OC/DC but, in this case, I'm going to make an exception. I'd really love to know what the hell McDaniels was thinking with the playcalling on that first drive. You've got a patchwork O-line, so you start off with a run instead of a quick strike pass? I get that Welker's absence means there's nobody who gets open as quickly as Brady would like, but why not come out five wide when you know that the Dolphins are going to just rush four? It was there. You had a chance to put the Dolphins on their heels from the start, and you went with a Ridley handoff. Awful. And that led to 2nd and long, and then 3rd and long with a rusty Gronk, which led to that

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How about: 3rd and 29 - Run off-tackle.

The ball was at the right hash and the run was to the right. Brilliant.

In the past, they used to run that draw play and earlier in the screen they ran a bubble screen on a 3rd and long, so we started joking that they were going to call a straight run play.

Can't make it up.

Tunescribe said:

Deus, you could've saved yourself a lot of time simply by writing: BB sucks as a GM and I'm still in love with my binky Wes Welker.

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I don't think Belichick sucks as a GM. He's not perfect, but I think he's one of the better GMs in the game. But thanks for your response.

The Brandon Five said:

How about: 3rd and 29 - Run off-tackle.

The ball was at the right hash and the run was to the right. Brilliant.

In the past, they used to run that draw play and earlier in the screen they ran a bubble screen on a 3rd and long, so we started joking that they were going to call a straight run play.

Can't make it up.

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I wanted to strangle McDaniels right through my TV. Throw it!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you can get an illegal contact or something.

Rob0729 said:

Deus used to be an intelligent and rational poster, but he is now just a disgruntled fan with an agenda. He has his opinion and once he makes it, he is right and anyone disagrees with him is a moron and his opinion will never change. For example, he has said that the Jamie Collins selection will always be a bad pick even if Collins ends up going to the HOF because he wasn't a need pick (which is funny because I think the Pats need at least one more of his type of LB).

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Deus is one of the best, make no mistake. We are all irrational at times and about certain things, and most of us have had an ax to grind at some point. I disagree with some of Deus' views, but I always take them seriously, and I learn something from him pretty much every day.

shmessy said:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-huge-holes/2LGxyb4wfHQPZn2gSuWUbL/story.html

“We did pretty good against him last time,” Odrick said of Mankins. “I was hoping he’d come back.”
Fair enough. Mankins, 32, allowed three sacks last December when the Dolphins beat the Patriots, 24-20, so I’m not sure he would have saved the day on Sunday.

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Odrick said it all.

The problem yesterday wasn't the lack of Mankins. Would he have helped? Odrick made him his ***** last year, he would have done the same yesterday.

The denigration of Tim Wright's performance yesterday is just a head scratcher. 99% of people understand that he will have to develop some chemistry with Brady and the playbook first. What he did yesterday was beyond what should be expected at this point.

The Pats were facing what is known as one of the best DL's in the game.

The Pats were facing what is known as one of the worst OL's in the game.

The game was lost by our DL getting pwned by Knowshon Moreno running behind shmutz.

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You're welcome to believe that Devey is as good an offensive guard as is Logan Mankins. Devey himself probably doesn't think that he's at that level, but whatever works for you.

As for Wright, he is what he is. He's a WR playing on the end of the line. Again, that's not his fault, and it probably wouldn't have been an issue if Gronk had been 100% healthy, Devey was starter material and OHOH hadn't stunk out the joint.

Big-T said:

Moreno did as well as he did because the Patriots didn't have a clue on how to defend the run-option Miami was using.

Like every time they see something new, they struggled and couldn't adapt to it so were playing off the back foot.

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I watched Big Vince getting a lot of penetration. I also watched Big Vince getting steered off to one side a lot, as Miami took advantage of his aggression.

One other thing that was noticeable was what seemed like an alarmingly high amount of attempts at arm tackling over fundamental tackling techniques, in striking contrast to Seattle in their Thursday night game.

JMC00 said:

He asked to be.

If anyone honestly thinks BB would rather have Joe Vellano out there than Tommy Kelly then I dont know what to say. Just go look at the preseason it's not like Kelly was out there in the 3rd a d 4th quarter like most of the other guys that got cut. BB wanted him but for reasons Kelly wanted out of here. That move aint on BB it was either keep him against his will and risk having a guy that wouldnt give his all or just release him

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When the issue is contractual, and the team has forced the player to take a paycut, why is that not on the team?

I know I said in another thread that I wouldn't visit this board until we win a game due to everyone going insane, but this thread seems coherent so here goes.

I don't think our interior OL was the issue yesterday. That said, the OL functions as a unit so suspect Guard play could have been affecting Solder and Vollmer -- who looked like absolute crap and are the culprits in my eyes. Solder has looked suspect all camp and he looked exceptionally bad yesterday.

Jared Odrick is a giant 3-tech (6'5"). I think we had to play taller Guards/Center (Devey, Connolly and Cannon) out of necessity of him not getting his paws on someone and just tossing them aside. I don't know how soon we can get Bryan Stork into the lineup, but I would at least like to see him at RG sooner than later and taking over at Center after the bye.

Now that I'm done bashing the OL, I think our general offensive game plan was the real issue. I would love to know our record when Brady attempts more than 45 passes. Whenever we abandon the run, we almost always lose.