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With only four linebackers currently on the active roster, 11 defensive linemen and 11 defensive backs, it's natural to ask, as the late-great Vince Lombardi once exclaimed, "What the hell's going on out there?!" Of course, a lot can still change between now and Sunday. But I'm wondering if we'll see more exotic looks than usual -- perhaps with Ninkovich and Chandler Jones playing a lot off the line, extra DBs on early downs, etc. I wonder what BB has up his (cut-off) sleeve ...
 
I think the obvious response is that we should expect to see Dont'a Hightower, Jamie Collins and Darius Fleming spend some time on the DL to correct the imbalance. :eek:
 
Initial guess. Pat liked Morris as that 5th LB but he got injured and James Anderson has been contacted and been told that if he wants to return be in Foxboro Sept 9th.
 
3-4 1 gap - some of the guys listed as "DE's" will be playing OLB.
 
With DEs that would line up at OLB in a 3-4, we have a total of 7 LBs. In a 4-3, we have 4 LBs but we also have two Safeties that can be "money" LBs in a 4-3 in Chung and Tavon Wilson.

Needless to say, our formations are going to be opponent and situation dependent but it appears we have a ton of flexibility, before injuries anyway.
 
Initial guess. Pat liked Morris as that 5th LB but he got injured and James Anderson has been contacted and been told that if he wants to return be in Foxboro Sept 9th.
I do not see Anderson returning, if they had any interest in retaining him they would not have set him free at cuts to 75 they would have held onto him until cuts to 53.

Between the use of the 3-4 and the fact we will be in sub packages 60% of the time we will only use 2 of the Mayo, Collins, Hightower trio 70-80% of the time. I said this in another thread but look at the 49ers, what LBs do they use beyond Willis and Bowman?

3-4
LOLB – Ninkovich
LDE – Wilfork
NT – Siliga
RDE – Easley
ROLB – Jones
SILB – Mayo
WILB – Collins
- Hightower rotates in at LOLB, SILB, and WILB.

4-3
LE – Ninkovich
DT – Easley
NT – Wilfork
RE – Jones
SLB – Hightower
MLB – Mayo
WLB – Collins
- Buchanan comes in a LE, Ninkovich moves to SLB; Hightower can rotate in at MLB and WLB

4-2-5
LE – Ninkovich
DT – Easley
DT – Jones
RE – Buchanan
SLB – Mayo
WLB – Collins
- Hightower rotates in at SLB and WLB

In all these packages I have not even used Fleming, so we have more than enough depth, actually a rotation of Mayo, Collins, and Hightower is outstanding.

In running situations (early downs) the combo of Hightower at SILB and Mayo at WILB in a 3-4 would probably be the best run stopping front 7. Also it keeps Collins fresh for passing situations.
 
We saw CJ standing up, rushing from the end all preseason. We also saw Collins blitz off the edge and in the gaps. I think we'll see an enormous amount of sub packages that don't conform to anybody's idea of a stock 3/4 or 4/3. 5/2, 2/5 looks. 4/2/5 packages...all kinds of looks. At least I HOPE this is what Patricia will be calling.
 
I was listening to the radio a few days ago and one of the PFW guys was on (Eric, I think?) and he said something that is a pet peeve of mine.

"Teams generally go with a 3-4 if they like their LBs more than their lineman."

Oh really?

In a 30 front, Nink and Jones are the OLBs with two other LBs and three DL. In a 40 front Nink/Jones become DEs with three other LBs and only two other DL. Wouldn't this suggest that more LBs actually see the field in a 4-3 than a 3-4? Why would you go with a 3-4 and diminish your position of strength?

/minirant

Judging by the roster construction, it seems likely that the 3-4 used during the preseason will carry over into the regular season. Add Nink/Jones to the LB corps and that group suddenly looks much stronger, and DL depth starts making more sense as well.
 
Jamie Collins excites me what he can do rushing from OLB position. He is explosive athletic and strong. With a running start he blow by tackles. As could Chandler Jones. They could be as prolific a set of rush linebackers there are in the league. I was thinking with Hightower over 270 lbs with a huge frames and still growing, does anybody think he could grow into a DT or 3-4 DE the way Henry Melton did. I was told he isn't far from 280 lbs at times. If he can play at 290-300 without losing much athleticism maybe he can become a very good 3-4 DE. He does have a huge frame. Bigger than spikes was by far. And he is very stout. In college he was standing still and stonewalled FBs with a head of steam. And often took on OLineman. Just an idea.
 
I think Ninkovich can also play some 3-4 DE. Chandler could be elite if he were just a little stronger. He struggles with big and long Lineman. Also in the 3-4 ninkovich could also do some ilb dirty work they call it. Collins I trust will be a great rusher from the outside in a 3-4. Also Chandler can use his quickness length and athleticism attacking the qb from olb where he gets a moving start he can beat them tall strong tackles he normally struggles with. Ninkovich could rotate and play some olb,ilb,DE in the 3-4. Hightower I see growing into a 3-4 end as he seems to be outgrowing LB duties like covering. However he seems to struggle keeping playweight below 275. If he had the greenlight to bulk up I could see him growing to near 300 lbs easily by playoffs if 275 is trying to keep his weight down. And although he lacks athleticism for a lb or edge rusher, his athleticism for a DT or 3-4 end would be terrific. Hightower like Melton could grow into and elite Penetrating DT or 3-4 End. A powerful near 300 lb DT or 3-4 end running a 4.7 40 jumping over 30 inches vertical, and over 9' broad with a 7.5 3 cone sounds pretty good I think. He would be a 300 LB DT with near LB athleticism.

I first saw High tower and thought he was DT. He looked like a beast standing next to an Alabama DT, when I realized he was a LB I was like WT#$&! He is much stronger than upshaw Alabama coaching said. If Ravens are trying upshaw at 3-4 end, High tower has more raw power and athleticism. He could be the next Randy White because he is very strong and stout
 
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The Patriots are licking their chops looking at film of the Dolphins offensive line. Expect a revolving door 4-3 all game with the objective to get as many people in the Miami backfield as possible. The interior guys will have a lot of fun in this one.
 
I think Ninkovich can also play some 3-4 DE. Chandler could be elite if he were just a little stronger. He struggles with big and long Lineman. Also in the 3-4 ninkovich could also do some ilb dirty work they call it. Collins I trust will be a great rusher from the outside in a 3-4. Also Chandler can use his quickness length and athleticism attacking the qb from olb where he gets a moving start he can beat them tall strong tackles he normally struggles with. Ninkovich could rotate and play some olb,ilb,DE in the 3-4. Hightower I see growing into a 3-4 end as he seems to be outgrowing LB duties like covering. However he seems to struggle keeping playweight below 275. If he had the greenlight to bulk up I could see him growing to near 300 lbs easily by playoffs if 275 is trying to keep his weight down. And although he lacks athleticism for a lb or edge rusher, his athleticism for a DT or 3-4 end would be terrific. Hightower like Melton could grow into and elite Penetrating DT or 3-4 End. A powerful near 300 lb DT or 3-4 end running a 4.7 40 jumping over 30 inches vertical, and over 9' broad with a 7.5 3 cone sounds pretty good I think. He would be a 300 LB DT with near LB athleticism.

I first saw High tower and thought he was DT. He looked like a beast standing next to an Alabama DT, when I realized he was a LB I was like WT#$&! He is much stronger than upshaw Alabama coaching said. If Ravens are trying upshaw at 3-4 end, High tower has more raw power and athleticism. He could be the next Randy White because he is very strong and stout
Ninkovich is 6’2” 260lbs he is an undersized 4-3 DE, him being a 3-4 DE is not even in the realm of possibility.
 
The Patriots are licking their chops looking at film of the Dolphins offensive line. Expect a revolving door 4-3 all game with the objective to get as many people in the Miami backfield as possible. The interior guys will have a lot of fun in this one.

They won't be nearly as bad as they were last year on OL. Branden Albert is really good, and Ja'Wuan James may or may not be good, but he'll almost certainly be better than Tyson Clabo.
 
Oh the dangers of having too much knowledge in one narrow field and then attempting to apply that knowledge to absolutely everything.
 
My mistake I thought I remembered him being 270, but still I'd Chandler is lanky can play inside at times couldn't Ninkovich
 
I said this in another thread but look at the 49ers, what LBs do they use beyond Willis and Bowman?

Ahmad Brooks and Aldon Smith are pretty useful LB's they use.

If you're specifically going for ILB's, Michael Wilhoite got a good number of snaps last year (with 2 starts) and is better than anything the Pats have beyond their starters. He's going to start for them this year in Bowman's absence. They also (this year) have Toby Borland filling the top backup spot who I think we'd all agree has a better skillset than Fleming, though they're both obviously unproven on the NFL level.
 
My mistake I thought I remembered him being 270, but still I'd Chandler is lanky can play inside at times couldn't Ninkovich

Ninkovich playing inside would be putting him in a position to fail. Unlike Jones, Ninkovich doesn't have great power or explosiveness.

Could he do it on 3rd and long type situations? I guess. But his skills are much more suited to rushing off the edge and getting around a tackle than lining up inside and trying to get through a guard.

There's no way he could do it in a base defense though. Either inside in a 4-3 or at 5-technique in a 3-4
 
I think the number of linemen we currently have active is related to the heat/humidity they're expecting, and the no-huddle Miami runs.

I would expect a high number of rotations.
 
I think the number of linemen we currently have active is related to the heat/humidity they're expecting, and the no-huddle Miami runs.

I would expect a high number of rotations.

Possible, but I see the additions of Gaston and Quarles as a reflection of the team having 2 injured backups (Jones, Siliga) and one guy coming off of ACL surgery who hasn't played a snap in preseason.

If Easley isn't ready to go or they want to ease him in slowly, they have no big bodies outside of Vellano and Wilfork.
 
Possible, but I see the additions of Gaston and Quarles as a reflection of the team having 2 injured backups (Jones, Siliga) and one guy coming off of ACL surgery who hasn't played a snap in preseason.

If Easley isn't ready to go or they want to ease him in slowly, they have no big bodies outside of Vellano and Wilfork.

Seems like Siliga is very close, if not ready to go.
 
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