49er guard Alex Boone possibly available

Teams eye trade for Alex Boone of San Francisco 49ers - ESPN

There are some here (aka gymrat) that feel the team could use an upgrade on the interior offensive line. The competition for center and guard seems pretty open but how would a line of:

Soldier-Mankins-Connoly/Stork/Wendell-Boone-Vollmer look?

With this being Mankins last year with big money, we could push a lot of money on a new contract for Boone into next year and beyond and he's only 27. Im not so sure Cannon/Kline isn't the answer at guard but Boone would be an upgrade over both.

Shoot, if the price is right, speaking of both contractually and what draft pick we surrender, then definitely.

Not sure how realistic it is in terms of draft picks + money, but anything's always possible.

I'm sure the Harbaughs will work something out. Boone to Baltimore for a tackling dummy

TriplecHamp said:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11330873/teams-eye-trade-alex-boone-san-francisco-49ers

With this being Mankins last year with big money, we could push a lot of money on a new contract for Boone into next year and beyond and he's only 27. Im not so sure Cannon/Kline isn't the answer at guard but Boone would be an upgrade over both.

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So who do we NOT sign then, McCourty or Revis?

PatsWickedPissah said:

So who do we NOT sign then, McCourty or Revis?

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Ii heard we have 30 million + in cap space for 2015.

PatsWickedPissah said:

So who do we NOT sign then, McCourty or Revis?

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Salary cap expected to rise, Hernandez money off the books, Mankins off the books (need verification)
You telling me that if we resign Revis and McCourty we will have no money to upgrade any other position in FA?

supafly said:

Not sure how realistic it is in terms of draft picks + money, but anything's always possible.

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Except the JEST not sucking.

supafly said:

Not sure how realistic it is in terms of draft picks + money, but anything's always possible.

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ctpatsfan77 said:

Except the JEST not sucking.

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TriplecHamp said:

Salary cap expected to rise, Hernandez money off the books, Mankins off the books (need verification)
You telling me that if we resign Revis and McCourty we will have no money to upgrade any other position in FA?

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Huh? OP has Mankins as key in the lineup.

Solder, Chandler Jones, up for extensions...
Besides McCourty and Revis, Ridley, Vereen, Gostkowski, Cannon, Silga or their replacements need to be signed.

Bottom line is that FA $ need to be carefully spent where most needed.

TommyBrady12 said:

Ii heard we have 30 million + in cap space for 2015.

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I'm not sure where you heard that, but it is not even close to being correct.

The last projection was around 6 million dollars in cap space which can be carried over to the 2015 season, according to Miguel. That was about a week or two ago.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Huh? OP has Mankins as key in the lineup.

Solder, Chandler Jones, up for extensions...
Besides McCourty and Revis, Ridley, Vereen, Gostkowski, Cannon, Silga or their replacements need to be signed.

Bottom line is that FA $ need to be carefully spent where most needed.

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yes, Mankins is in the lineup because he's under contract. Next year he won't be under contract. Having a good interior offensive line is a priority over resigning Ridley, Vereen, or a Gostowski IMO. Cannon and Siliga are depth players at this point, I think Cannon can and will be a starter in this league but lets not act like either player are going to eat up significant cap space. The only reason I mentioned next season is because of the hole that will be created if Mankins leaves and the cap space that creates.

McCourty and Revis are no brainer resigning but after that solidifying the interior offensive line is right there. Solder, Jones and others obviously need to be extended but I don't see why that's any reason to believe that nobody new will be added. Boone isn't going to command some outrageous contract.

Im not saying Boone should be on the next flight to Boston but its not out of the question depending on what he's worth to San Fran or New England for that matter. Wouldn't offer anything higher than a 3rd and no more than $4m per.

TriplecHamp said:

yes, Mankins is in the lineup because he's under contract. Next year he won't be under contract. Interior offensive line is a priority over resigning Ridley, Vereen, or a Gostowski. Cannon and Siliga are depth players at this point, I think Cannon can and will be a starter in this league but lets not act like either player are going to eat up significant cap space.

McCourty and Revis are no brainer resigning but after that solidifying the interior offensive line is right there. Solder, Jones and others obviously need to be extended but I don't see why that's any reason to believe that nobody new will be added. Boone isn't going to command some outrageous contract.

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I don't think anyone blames you for considering an addition to the OL, just that we have our work cut out salary cap wise, and that it may be too fantastical at the moment with other players taking priority.

I think the projections for Boone's new desired deal (the reason he's holding out in the first place) would put him in the top 1/3rd of the interior linemen at a minimum. He's earned himself a pretty decent contract in my opinion.

Standout OLineman should be a priority. Other than Revis and maybe McCourty who can't be easily replaced. Logan Ryan could maybe replace McCourty if necessary. Mankins isn't guaranteed after the season. He won't be brought back for 10 mil or anything close. Doesn't Bradys cap hit go down as well. They are also free from Hernandez and his cap hit. Revised won't cost as much as the other standout corners. He will be about 30 entering next season. Not likely to get a Patrick Peterson contract. Many great NFL CBs were good after 30 but not the shutdown beasts of their mid 20's

PatFanCraig said:

Standout OLineman should be a priority. Other than Revis and maybe McCourty who can't be easily replaced. Logan Ryan could maybe replace McCourty if necessary. Mankins isn't guaranteed after the season. He won't be brought back for 10 mil or anything close. Doesn't Bradys cap hit go down as well. They are also free from Hernandez and his cap hit. Revised won't cost as much as the other standout corners. He will be about 30 entering next season. Not likely to get a Patrick Peterson contract. Many great NFL CBs were good after 30 but not the shutdown beasts of their mid 20's

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Just some thoughts, and a difference of opinion--nothing more:

--According to Howe, Ryan is going to be the starting CB opposite Revis over Alfonzo Dennard during Browner's absence, so I think we can safely stop with the "Ryan is going to be our starting safety" rumor.

Normally, we'd be seeing some significant reps there during OTAs/minis, and we're also halfway through the 20+ so practices of training camp. In all that time, Logan Ryan saw some limited reps one day there, while also seeing the bulk of his time as the starting nickle CB. I certainly don't agree with Howe that this starting CB business is already determined, but I haven't bought into the "Ryan to safety" rumor since I questioned it way back during the draft for about 48 hrs. The whole issue doesn't make sense to me...again, you may feel differently. To suggest that "Ryan could take over for McCourty" is really stretching it though.


--I don't know what the future holds for Mankins next year, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. He very well could end up playing here for the 2015 season, especially if he continues to be our best OL. I think too many are jumping to conclusions that Mankins is playing his last season here. Even if that's true, my guess is that we'd have an open tryout for his position with our other interior players. To me, there's nothing that would suggest us bringing in an outside player and throwing a huge pact at him. If anything, we'd probably spend a high round pick there in April.


--I think you're way off on Darrelle Revis. We've already seen how he changes the whole complexion of the defense, along with the offensive practices/adjustments. He fights hard for those contracts, and prior to the new pacts signed recently by Haden, Peterson, and Sherman, Revis was the highest paid CB a few months ago--at least in per AAV terms at 12m dollars. I think Revis will expect a comparable payday for a 2-3-4 year deal, at least in terms of 13m dollars or so. He isn't going to suddenly hang his head in shame and give in to not being in that group anymore, because his 30th birthday is approaching! To me, that's completely ridiculous. There are going to be plenty of teams that would be happy to pay Revis a pact that places him in the top 2-3 CBs. Let's hope New England is one of them.

supafly said:

Just some thoughts, and a difference of opinion--nothing more:

--According to Howe, Ryan is going to be the starting CB opposite Revis over Alfonzo Dennard during Browner's absence, so I think we can safely stop with the "Ryan is going to be our starting safety" rumor.

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I don't want to jump into the fray, but I think a clarification is needed on this. Howe's take is a bit different:

18. Unless Alfonzo Dennard makes a hard charge once he's cleared for contact, Logan Ryan will start for Brandon Browner during his four-game suspension.

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26 takeaways after a week with the Patriots in the DMV - Boston Herald

PatsWickedPissah said:

So who do we NOT sign then, McCourty or Revis?

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Yep, as much as I am concerned about their interior OL-C/RG I still think you spend your resources on Revis/McCourty and figure out the OL.

supafly said:

Just some thoughts, and a difference of opinion--nothing more:

--According to Howe, Ryan is going to be the starting CB opposite Revis over Alfonzo Dennard during Browner's absence, so I think we can safely stop with the "Ryan is going to be our starting safety" rumor.

Normally, we'd be seeing some significant reps there during OTAs/minis, and we're also halfway through the 20+ so practices of training camp. In all that time, Logan Ryan saw some limited reps one day there, while also seeing the bulk of his time as the starting nickle CB. I certainly don't agree with Howe that this starting CB business is already determined, but I haven't bought into the "Ryan to safety" rumor since I questioned it way back during the draft for about 48 hrs. The whole issue doesn't make sense to me...again, you may feel differently. To suggest that "Ryan could take over for McCourty" is really stretching it though.

--I don't know what the future holds for Mankins next year, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. He very well could end up playing here for the 2015 season, especially if he continues to be our best OL. I think too many are jumping to conclusions that Mankins is playing his last season here. Even if that's true, my guess is that we'd have an open tryout for his position with our other interior players. To me, there's nothing that would suggest us bringing in an outside player and throwing a huge pact at him. If anything, we'd probably spend a high round pick there in April.

--I think you're way off on Darrelle Revis. We've already seen how he changes the whole complexion of the defense, along with the offensive practices/adjustments. He fights hard for those contracts, and prior to the new pacts signed recently by Haden, Peterson, and Sherman, Revis was the highest paid CB a few months ago--at least in per AAV terms at 12m dollars. I think Revis will expect a comparable payday for a 2-3-4 year deal, at least in terms of 13m dollars or so. He isn't going to suddenly hang his head in shame and give in to not being in that group anymore, because his 30th birthday is approaching! To me, that's completely ridiculous. There are going to be plenty of teams that would be happy to pay Revis a pact that places him in the top 2-3 CBs. Let's hope N.England is one of them.

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On Ryan: I think it's likely he starts and they probably see him as a similar player to McCourty and are going to take looks at him there to gain depth in case a deal does not get done, or they need to make a move opposite him this season.

Mankins is a great player and it is hard to see them weakening an area that's already a concern, but they need to redo his deal and that is not going to be easy. I hope he's here, if not that interior OL is a huge question and that's the last thing you want with Brady heading towards his forties.

Revis always wants to be paid and Belichick understands the rarity of first ballot HOF players, they will do everything possible to keep him here but if he decides it's just the cash he could leave. My money is on them re-signing him.

Deus Irae said:

I don't want to jump into the fray, but I think a clarification is needed on this. Howe's take is a bit different:



http://bostonherald.com/sports/patr...ays_after_a_week_with_the_patriots_in_the_dmv

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For what it's worth, I do not agree with Howe's take. I just can't see how he could come to that conclusion after only one preseason game. I still think Dennard may line up opposite Revis.

That said, I do believe that Ryan will be a CB--even though he will likely see some limited reps lining up as a safety in sub packages like he did last season.

I just don't see Ryan in the mix for a starting safety role. I think we'd have much stronger hints this late in the summer.

Thanks for the clarification though. I did include Howe's full statement in another thread prior to posting this one last night, so I'm not sure why I didn't include the whole quote in this one.

I believe Solder's future will be decided this season, if he plays poorly and suffer another concussion I can see a move there in another direction. Safety is also a work in progress so I understand that they should work in an extension for Dmac but not break the bank for him nor any other DB not named Revis. Revis is a priority over Dmac and for a long long distance.

I believe that if we solve the Center problem Mankins can give us another 2 years of great football, he has said that he's felling himself in great football shape and that the day he loses a step he will retire.