Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN

Deus Irae said:

Yes, they've beaten teams who've tried that but that's irrelevant. What's relevant is who they've lost to, and how, because there's a common thread (again, with the exception of the loss to the Jets a/k/a the Bonehead game) and that's where the Patriots need to focus. Quality teams that can get up the middle and slow down the receivers can beat the Patriots.

Hell, I doubt it was ever more obvious than in 2009, and we've got BB on tape with that one.

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Wouldn't that formula really work on any team IF you could execute it? Nothing ruins a passing game faster than interior pressure.

Brady6 said:

Martin was on the board at #62. That is the player we should have drafted, not JG.

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@flasox27 you think that JG will be a better pick than a player with the potential to develop into a Mack type player?

Can I ask why, because I do not understand how a third string QB is going to benefit this team in 2014, and personally that is my concern, because without Brady as our QB nothing is certain.

Deus Irae said:

Wait.. someone disagreed with that post? How the hell do you disagree with something that's so blatantly obvious? There is not one THE WAY. There are many avenues to the top. If Belichick's was the only way, this team would currently be at a minimum of 13 consecutive Lombardis and counting. Pointing to 0-2 when your team is 0-9 is folly.

This is an example of what we were discussing earlier. This negative system is going to be a real problem if people can't start using their heads.

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Perhaps you should tell the rating system you are putting it on ignore.

Coach42 said:

Wouldn't that formula really work on any team IF you could execute it? Nothing ruins a passing game faster than interior pressure.

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Exactly. Its not a formula is that surprisingly when we lose, the other team does a good job of stopping the things we try to do.

JMC00 said:

So you don't think they fit. Belichick thinks they do.

Hmmm not sure who i'm going to side with on this one.

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Belichick also thought Tavon Wilson, Jake Bequette, Ras-I Dowling, Ron Brace, Jermaine Cunningham, Chad Jackson, and many others would fit and they either did not or have not so do not be smug and act as if his draft history is without error.

It is obvious to most people that the Pats are changing their philosophy concerning both lines.They have moved away from the 3-4 bend not break scheme and needed players to implement it like Easley to complement the outside rush of Jones. Similarly,with the change of coaches the weak Wendell and Connolly tandem in the middle was replaced by bigger powerful blockers with the ability not to be ragdogged by nose tackles. Contrary to the amateur Kipers on this board, I am willing to leave the personnel decisions to BB who has not done a bad job in his tenure. I wonder how many of the Kiper wannabees have any memory of the draft choices of the previous GM Bobby Grier whose multitude of draft picks were applauded by the media. He cost the coach of the current Superbowl champs his job by letting quality talent leave without replacement.

Coach42 said:

Wouldn't that formula really work on any team IF you could execute it? Nothing ruins a passing game faster than interior pressure.

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No. Different teams have different weaknesses. For example, back in the day, facing Michael Vick and the Falcons meant you wanted to contain Vick in the pocket. You actually didn't want early pressure up the middle.

flasox27 said:

It is obvious to most people that the Pats are changing their philosophy concerning both lines.They have moved away from the 3-4 bend not break scheme and needed players to implement it like Easley to complement the outside rush of Jones. Similarly,with the change of coaches the weak Wendell and Connolly tandem in the middle was replaced by bigger powerful blockers with the ability not to be ragdogged by nose tackles.

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Your post was looking great right up to that point. Then you went completely off the rails.

shmessy said:

What??????????

Wow, up to know you've been claiming that NFL-shunned 'scouting experts' knew better than actual professionals.

Now you are claiming you know as much about Brandon Lafell as Ron Rivera does?

Is Lafell an every down TE posibility? Hell no, he's not big enough. Can he fill the "Y" role for 5-10 plays per game? The professional highly paid NFL coach who worked with Lafell day in and day out (not you) says yes. Throw a possibility of Mark Harrison at 6'3" 230lbs in there along with Dustin Keller (if he's healthy) and you have 3.5 pretty good TE's and can lose Hoomanawanui and DJ Williams.

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So not only are you suggesting that he can play the tight end position but you are putting him at the Y-TE which is the in line position, not even the flex tight end position? No way that is going to happen, and you know I am very fond of you Shmessy but you are straight up trolling me right now and putting words in my mouth. I never said I knew more than Rivera, and I never said that scouts knew everything. I have never seen a player that weighs 210lbs lineup as a Y-TE and I do not expect LaFell to be that player. LaFell is a great signing and I was advocating signing him even before he came in for a visit but he is not here to replace Hernandez, he is an upgrade to the position we expect Donald Jones to play for us last season before he was forced to retire.

Either way as I said I am very fond of you Shmessy and I do not want to go back and forth and interject some level of animosity into our relationship over this.

Brady6 said:

Belichick also thought Tavon Wilson, Jake Bequette, Ras-I Dowling, Ron Brace, Jermaine Cunningham, Chad Jackson, and many others would fit and they either did not or have not so do not be smug and act as if his draft history is without error.

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@Coach42 you disagree, so you think that these players were good fits? Do you watch football or just troll on this board clicking dislike and disagree? Clearly you know nothing about the sport if you are disagreeing with my assessment of these players.

The only problem that I have with some of the over the top criticism of BB is that unintentionally or otherwise they make it seem as if winning/team building is an easy thing to do. There is a reason we haven't had a repeat champ since the Patriots were able to pull it of a decade ago, It is NOT easy.

Brady6 said:

@Coach42 you disagree, so you think that these players were good fits? Do you watch football or just troll on this board clicking dislike and disagree? Clearly you know nothing about the sport if you are disagreeing with my assessment of these players.

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I don't like Monday morning QBs. Did the picks work out? Absolutely not, you can cherry pick bad picks several years later and prove nothing if you want. Everybody misses, sometimes they even miss huge. Fact is they are able to consistently put enough talent to compete for championships for 15 years now so you're knee jerk assessment of players drafted this weekend means less than nothing. Yes I disagree with some of your thoughts, it's a message board, grow up.

shmessy said:

.....and they will sign Dustin Keller after June 1st for cap reasons.

They also have the option to move Lafell and Mark Harrison over to be a "move" TE.

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Keller and Asa Watson are the most interesting to me. Both have serious health concerns (Keller - knee, Watson - heart condition.) Both are elite pass catching TEs. The Patriots take these guys in and give them a fair shot. I'm thrilled for Marcus Cannon and his overcoming cancer

here's a key point folks seem to neglect on some of these picks:

sometimes the players themselves fail to uphold their end of the bargain - they don't do their study, their film work, their work outs aren't up to snuff, they don't rehab, their heart was more in getting there rather than succeeding there

there's only so much prep-work a team can do.....sometimes they take the right guy at the right time and it still doesn't pan out.....and sometimes that falls on the player, not on the GM picking them, or the coaches coaching them

flasox27 said:

It is obvious to most people that the Pats are changing their philosophy concerning both lines.They have moved away from the 3-4 bend not break scheme and needed players to implement it like Easley to complement the outside rush of Jones. Similarly,with the change of coaches the weak Wendell and Connolly tandem in the middle was replaced by bigger powerful blockers with the ability not to be ragdogged by nose tackles. Contrary to the amateur Kipers on this board, I am willing to leave the personnel decisions to BB who has not done a bad job in his tenure. I wonder how many of the Kiper wannabees have any memory of the draft choices of the previous GM Bobby Grier whose multitude of draft picks were applauded by the media. He cost the coach of the current Superbowl champs his job by letting quality talent leave without replacement.

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Do you know what eliminates a coach from any scrutiny from fans or the media? Winning a Super Bowl, Belichick has not done so since 2004. His personnel decisions are the reason we have not won since then, we have the best QB to ever play the game of football, that is why we are a winning team every year Tom Brady, just like Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning are always members of winning teams, this is a QB driven league and when you have the best to ever play the game you should be in the AFCCG three years in a row.

You should also never go ten years without winning a Super Bowl, because in the last ten years all of the other top QBs (Rodgers, Manning, Roethlisberger, and Brees) have all won Super Bowl titles, and Tom Brady has not. The three titles won in the early 2000s were also by rosters that were filled with a number of inherited core players like Law, McGinest, Bruschi, and others.

so, if gronk isn't ready for week 1, who's out TE? Hooman?

Coach42 said:

I don't like Monday morning QBs. Did the picks work out? Absolutely not, you can cherry pick bad picks several years later and prove nothing if you want. Everybody misses, sometimes they even miss huge. Fact is they are able to consistently put enough talent to compete for championships for 15 years now so you're knee jerk assessment of players drafted this weekend means less than nothing. Yes I disagree with some of your thoughts, it's a message board, grow up.

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It is not a knee jerk reaction, it is the fact that I can be a fan of this team and a fan of Belichick without believe that he ****s roses. I cannot buy into anything you say when it is always one way, you always advocate for the decision made, you are not at all objective, so you have no credibility with me, you just look like a person who believes he needs to defend Belichick because that makes him a great fan.

This team competes for a championship every season because it has the best QB to ever play the game of football, just like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodger, and the other top QBs are in contention the majority of the years, having Tom Brady disguises a lot of personnel decisions. If you cannot recognize that then you are not looking at the big picture.

I also do not have a problem with you disagreeing but at least give a reason, do not troll by and click the button with absolutely no basis or context to support your belief.

Gronkowski123 said:

so, if gronk isn't ready for week 1, who's out TE? Hooman?

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If Gronk is out, we'll be in a 3 WR - 1 TE set. We probably will be in that set even when he plays.

Yes, Hooman is the backup for Gronk.

If Gronk is out, the #3 WR and one of the RB's would be expected to have more receptions.

Coach42 said:

The only problem that I have with some of the over the top criticism of BB is that unintentionally or otherwise they make it seem as if winning/team building is an easy thing to do. There is a reason we haven't had a repeat champ since the Patriots were able to pull it of a decade ago, It is NOT easy.

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It is not just Belichick that is responsible for this but realistically we have had the best QB in the league for the past ten years, and while the other top QBs have all won a title in that time Brady has not, that to me indicates that we are not building around Brady well enough.

If we did not, have the GOAT and we were in the AFCCG or SB every year I would be sitting here defending everything Belichick does too, but when you have the best QB in a league that the most important player is the QB you should be in contention.