McCourty- All Pro Safety

I think Talib had an incentive of 500K for making the pro bowl

Gostkowski got screwed in my opinion. And here is a good article by Tom Curran explaining why he thinks Gostkowski got screwed.


Gostkowski shut out of All-Pro honors | Comcast SportsNet - CSNNE.com

Deus Irae said:

Brady completed 65% of his passes in the second half of the season.

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All-Pro is a full season award so the first half counts the same as the 2nd half of the season. In the first half, Brady played like crap and missed a lot of receivers which is why we lost to Cincinnati, NYJ, and almost lost to NO. You don't get extra credit for the 2nd half of the season.

JMC00 said:

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Also making it for the Pats was Talib and Mankins. All 2nd team selections.


People who said McCourty wasn't a good safety, your order of crow is ready.

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The designation All-Pro is reserved for first team members.

I have never heard of second team players being called All-Pro.

At the same time, McCourty is a good safety. And a good cb, too.

PattieswinSB said:

All-Pro is a full season award so the first half counts the same as the 2nd half of the season. In the first half, Brady played like crap and missed a lot of receivers which is why we lost to Cincinnati, NYJ, and almost lost to NO. You don't get extra credit for the 2nd half of the season.

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The point is that he looked better once his receivers got back/on the same page, and started running the correct rouotes and holding on to the football. Brady wasn't the problem in the first half, and Brady was the reason they were still able to tread water in the first half. Your position on his accuracy is ill-informed, to put it mildly.

PonyExpress said:

The designation All-Pro is reserved for first team members.

I have never heard of second team players being called All-Pro.

At the same time, I beiieve that McCourty is a good safety. And a good cb, too.

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Yes there is a 2nd team all pro.

PattieswinSB said:

All-Pro is a full season award so the first half counts the same as the 2nd half of the season. In the first half, Brady played like crap and missed a lot of receivers which is why we lost to Cincinnati, NYJ, and almost lost to NO. You don't get extra credit for the 2nd half of the season.

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Damn him for playing so bad that with a 29th ranked defense ravaged by more injuries than we have ever seen, a bunch of rookies at WR, and no Grnk for most of the season with a cast off #1 RB so valuable we got him in trade for a KR who didn't want to play football, that he only led them to a 12-4 record.
If Brady didn't suck he would have led that team around him that is mediocre aside from QB to an undefeated season, and probably more importantly to you, made some really pretty stats.:bricks:

Patsrock said:

Yes there is a 2nd team all pro.

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It exists but the media does not traditionally refer to those players as "All-Pros". Only the first team members carry that distinction.

PonyExpress said:

It exists but the media does not traditionally refer to those players as "All-Pros". Only the first team members carry that distinction.

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Why would I care what the media says?

JMC00 said:

2013 All-Pro Teams


Also making it for the Pats was Talib and Mankins. All 2nd team selections.


People who said McCourty wasn't a good safety, your order of crow is ready.

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JMC00 said:

Why would I care what the media says?

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:twitch::suspicious:

The Associated Press announced their All-Pro Team, as determined by 50 AP votes.

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I think the only thing that the Patriots could do to make borg happy is be on the team plane when it crashes into a mountain.

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People who said McCourty wasn't a good safety, your order of crow is ready.

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I have my knife and fork out and am eating my share. I was wrong, dead wrong.

PattieswinSB said:

That doesn't excuse the wide open receivers he missed this year. His accuracy was down by quite a bit this year.

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he's 2.9% off his career average.

2.9% with 1 healthy receiver all year. Do you know how hard it is to get guys in sync to know where they are going to be, how fast they are going to run a certain route, and how much to lead them by?

Brady has been JUST missing lately on a lot of deep throws, i'm talking inches off from big bomb long td's. Thats not a brady playing poorly sign, thats a brady is almost in tune with his receivers.

Side note, does anyone else have trouble with Spellcheck on patsfans forums? Its the only website where i try to correct a word, and it remains incorrectly spelt

chasa said:

Side note, does anyone else have trouble with Spellcheck on patsfans forums? Its the only website where i try to correct a word, and it remains incorrectly spelt

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It probably became overwhelmed by certain posters and just gave up.

A couple of points on the All Pro team:

(1) There are actually three separate ones (at one point there were five or six): the AP, the PFWA, and the Sporting News.

(2) The NFL does not recognize the All Pro team, although it does list all of them in their Record and Fact Book.

(3) Anyone included on any of the lists, including second-teamers, can call themselves All Pros.

As far as the AP vote in particular goes, it's a little weird. If there are N slots at a position, each voter gets N votes. So, for example, they only get to vote for one QB, but they get to vote for two safeties. The top N vote getters (plus ties) are First Team. The next N vote getters (plus ties) are Second Team.

So, for example, since all 50 voters named Fivehead the best QB, there is no Second Team QB. OTOH, at safety, six safeties tied for third in voting, so all six of them are Second Team.

PattieswinSB said:

Are you kidding me? This is not anywhere close to Brady's best season. Did you see how many deep balls he missed this year? He didn't miss those a few years ago. I don't see how you can say he was playing better this year than Russell Wilson or Philip Rivers. He posted his worse numbers since his first year.

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No not at all What TB did this season is nothing short of remarkable. How do you think Russel Wilson or Rivers would do if you take 4 or 5 of the best weapons from last year away (Gronk, The jailed one, Welker, and Lloyd) and then week one give the biggest offseason move to replace them a serious groin injury. Also take away the next best threat week one in Vareen for more than half the year. Also give various injuries to those drafted to replace some of the above as well. And throw in a season ending injury to one of your best Olinemen.

Based on your low post count and the fact you mentioned numbers when I went on a rant to complain about looking to heavily at the numbers me thinks you are a troll.

signbabybrady said:

No not at all What TB did this season is nothing short of remarkable. How do you think Russel Wilson or Rivers would do if you take 4 or 5 of the best weapons from last year away (Gronk, The jailed one, Welker, and Lloyd) and then week one give the biggest offseason move to replace them a serious groin injury. Also take away the next best threat week one in Vareen for more than half the year. Also give various injuries to those drafted to replace some of the above as well. And throw in a season ending injury to one of your best Olinemen.

Based on your low post count and the fact you mentioned numbers when I went on a rant to complain about looking to heavily at the numbers me thinks you are a troll.

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2 of his 11 INTs that are credited to his stats for the year were basically fumbles that the defender caught. Also there was that INT which Gronk got held on that shouldn't have been an INT

Take those away 8 INT on 625 Attempts. That's 1 INT every 78 attempts.

Simply remarkable given what he had to work with for the majority of the year.

And 2 of the 8 were the miscommunication between him and Dobson in the pouring rain at the end of the Bengals game and the 4th down desperate last pass in Miami (which one could argue he shouldn't have had to throw if the refs were consistent)

signbabybrady said:

No not at all What TB did this season is nothing short of remarkable. How do you think Russel Wilson or Rivers would do if you take 4 or 5 of the best weapons from last year away (Gronk, The jailed one, Welker, and Lloyd) and then week one give the biggest offseason move to replace them a serious groin injury. Also take away the next best threat week one in Vareen for more than half the year. Also give various injuries to those drafted to replace some of the above as well. And throw in a season ending injury to one of your best Olinemen.

Based on your low post count and the fact you mentioned numbers when I went on a rant to complain about looking to heavily at the numbers me thinks you are a troll.

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Rivers lost his top 2 WR (Floyd, and Alexander). Wilson lost his top 2 WR (Harvin, Rice) and 3 pro bowl caliber OL. Brady had a good year, but its not up to par to what Rivers did this year, who was a legitimate MVP candidate.

2013 Brady is not anywhere near the same level of 2010 Brady. 2010 Brady might have been the greatest QB ever. 2013 Brady is just simply a pro bowl caliber QB.

PattieswinSB said:

Rivers lost his top 2 WR (Floyd, and Alexander). Wilson lost his top 2 WR (Harvin, Rice) and 3 pro bowl caliber OL. Brady had a good year, but its not up to par to what Rivers did this year, who was a legitimate MVP candidate.

2013 Brady is not anywhere near the same level of 2010 Brady. 2010 Brady might have been the greatest QB ever. 2013 Brady is just simply a pro bowl caliber QB.

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Harvin played 1 game and missed a lot of practice so I wouldn't say that counts. And how about loosing your top 5 pass catchers, and a pro bowler OL.

borg said:

What qualifies as 2nd Team?
Zero 2nd team QBs
Six 2nd team Safeties.....So McCourty is considered somewhere between the 3rd and 8th ranked S? Pretty Exclusive!! LOL
The fact that Mankins gets even a 2nd team designation tells me a lot about the seriousness of the voters

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You can make the argument that you don't think McCourty's good, but I wouldn't disregard this award by making your Mankins argument. Mankins got the second team because he's a known quality player. Just like when Richard Seymour got the Probowl over Ty Warren back in '06 even though Warren played better that year. It's very difficult to earn the acceptance of fans (or writers) as being one of the best. But once you earn it, you don't lose it easily (i.e. Mankins with the second team voting this year). With McCourty, after his 2010 year, he entered obscurity and reinvented himself as a safety. It was a lot harder for him to gain notice and acceptance by spectators as one of the best.

The argument I'd make, instead, is that Patriot players might make the Probowl or All-Pro teams more easily than other players. Given a tie, most would vote for a Pats team player rather than someone from, let's say, the Jags or Bills. Not always the case, but there have been times I think we've been over-represented on these lists.