Kevin Faulk cries when asked about Randy Moss

I wouldn't doubt he was very well liked.

As big a fan as I am of Randy (my 2nd favorite Patriot of all time) I don't see how he'd fit in here... or if there's even room. Branch,Welker,Tate,Edelman,Price all seem locks to be here next year. Would we want Moss here to cut into Tate/Price's reps and progression?

naF staP said:

Any links to the video?

Click to expand...

It was on the weekly WBZ Patriots Game Day television show. Nothing at present but if/when it's posted, it would be here: Sports CBS Boston – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and Boston's Best

While I wish Randy luck I dont want him back, we've taken off since he left and I think he limits us.

Kevin is a good friend and a good man. As is Randy. I miss Randy but do not think he will be back here. I think the Patriots will win the Superbowl and give Randy a ring and that he will take it. Heck, he should have gotten a ring in 2007. If I were him I would play another year and then retire and go fishing and watch his daughter start her division 1 college career.

MassPats38 said:

Faulk's reaction wouldn't surprise me. The issue with Moss was not that teammates hated him, but instead appeared to be his ability to keep his emotions in check on a team that does not encourage individuality. He appeared to feel a need to stand in the spotlight regularly on a team you may be hero one week and invisible the next. The members of this team appear to embrace that, Moss didn't seem capable of doing so. If he could accept that role, I would be happy to see him rejoin the team as I do believe he has the skills to contribute. But I seriously doubt it will happen.

Click to expand...

It's all psychobabble. The coach needs to be able to count on a player EVERY game and Randy went into mental funks too often. The team chose to feed Randy balls to keep his mind in the game, which statistically hurt Brady's game and the team. You can't run an offense dependant on the mood of a player.
His skill set clearly slipped as well. He lost a step, couldn't cut, and became a one trick pony.
Put aside the moodswings and deteriorating performance, Moss decided to go public with contract issues knowing the whole time that the Patriots were not extending him. He forced the issue and expedited his exit.
So tell me why he should be back in '11?

For all the outcry about how much better this offense is without Randy Moss, we are averaging almost the exact same points per game without him that we were with him. If he wants to be a role player and come in 20 plays a game to stretch the field I'd have no problem taking him back if his attitude has changed.

We heard Wilfork's regard for Randy also - they obviously felt very highly of him. It's just too bad that things didn't work out and obviously they moved on. As we've seen the end result has worked out well so far for the team, and I do think long-term it's probably better for the direction they're taking offensively. It's been a strange year and they say everything happens for a reason...which definitely makes you wonder what lies ahead.

Moss is a weirdo scumbag and always was . . . and we all know it.

AJY said:

Moss is a weirdo scumbag and always was . . . and we all know it.

Click to expand...

That's unnecessarily harsh judgment. The man has issues, yes, but he's not a bad guy and certainly kicked ass for the Patriots for three years.

Tunescribe said:

That's unnecessarily harsh judgment. The man has issues, yes, but he's not a bad guy and certainly kicked ass for the Patriots for three years.

Click to expand...

I'd have to agree. We only saw the guy in the press conferences, not the guy in the locker room. I also know from the offseason coverage that he spent a lot of time off the field at charity events - so it's a bit hard to say much negative about him looking at it from that standpoint.

AJY said:

Moss is a weirdo scumbag and always was . . . and we all know it.

Click to expand...

How was Randy Moss anything other than a class act on and off the field while with the Patriots? Unless you know something I don't, the man was the best WR this team has ever seen, and probably will ever see, and I surely don't recall anyone in the organization having anything bad to say about the guy.

RodThePat said:

For all the outcry about how much better this offense is without Randy Moss, we are averaging almost the exact same points per game without him that we were with him. If he wants to be a role player and come in 20 plays a game to stretch the field I'd have no problem taking him back if his attitude has changed.

Click to expand...

Right on, when brady was asked about his contract in an interview he said he just wanted to go on the field and win games in any role they ask him to play.
I think Randy knows he made a mistake and if he adopted that attitude welcome back.

What people don't seem to notice is exactly why Faulk was crying. Was he crying because Moss left, or because Moss screwed up such a good thing? Or because he allowed his insecurity to get the best of him? Nobody will ever know. We don't want to make any assumptions.

In the final analysis, Moss is not coming back. The whole team has moved on for the most part. I would look at the reactions that Moss has created for the team as an emotional cost to the team in the big picture, e.g. Faulk's crying- which is something that can scarcely be beneficial to the team and its focus. Yes he can deliver at times, but the ups and downs are just not worth it in the end.

I thank Moss for what he did, but we're better off without him.

RodThePat said:

How was Randy Moss anything other than a class act on and off the field while with the Patriots? Unless you know something I don't, the man was the best WR this team has ever seen, and probably will ever see, and I surely don't recall anyone in the organization having anything bad to say about the guy.

Click to expand...

Yeah, because quitting on the team shows the class you have, and forcing BB's hand to remove your pathetic ass from the team shows class. He's been a cancer EVERYWHERE HE'S BEEN.

Troy Brown says hello.

Let me guess, you think this was a business decision and the Pats wanted the draft pick? Ha

Moss needs a team where he can draw some single coverage. He's a victim of his own success and freak ability. That reasoning alone is why he should have just finished the year and marketed himself to the teams that had true #1's.

Keyser Söze said:

Yeah, because quitting on the team shows the class you have, and forcing BB's hand to remove your pathetic ass from the team shows class. He's been a cancer EVERYWHERE HE'S BEEN.

Troy Brown says hello.

Let me guess, you think this was a business decision and the Pats wanted the draft pick? Ha

Click to expand...

Show me any evidence of this. Show me how he "quit on the team" and "forced Bill's hand" without resorting to rumor and hearsay.

I don't think this was a business decision and it's obvious Moss became somewhat of a problem in his latter days as a Patriot, but it always struck me as more as a "change of direction" type of decision by Bill Belichick. They knew it would take a lot to resign him, his contract was becoming kind of an issue and Bill thought he could win without him, so he got something for him while he could. That's a much more reasonable explanation than "he was a cancer and quit on the team, what other choice did BB have????!!!!!!" or "Bill thought a third rounder for Moss was too good to refuse".

There isn't a single person associated with the Patriots that said anything other than "Moss was a great teammate and friend" when he left. They went out of their ways to praise him. Is that proof of anything? No. But it's more reliable than pure media speculation.

And let's stop acting as if Randy Moss was anything other than GREAT as a wide receiver for the New England Patriots. It sounds foolish to contest that.

He has a better chance of playing QB for the Jets than coming back to NE.

RodThePat said:

Show me any evidence of this. Show me how he "quit on the team" and "forced Bill's hand" without resorting to rumor and hearsay.

I don't think this was a business decision and it's obvious Moss became somewhat of a problem in his latter days as a Patriot, but it always struck me as more as a "change of direction" type of decision by Bill Belichick. They knew it would take a lot to resign him, his contract was becoming kind of an issue and Bill thought he could win without him, so he got something for him while he could. That's a much more reasonable explanation than "he was a cancer and quit on the team, what other choice did BB have????!!!!!!" or "Bill thought a third rounder for Moss was too good to refuse".

There isn't a single person associated with the Patriots that said anything other than "Moss was a great teammate and friend" when he left. They went out of their ways to praise him. Is that proof of anything? No. But it's more reliable than pure media speculation.

And let's stop acting as if Randy Moss was anything other than GREAT as a wide receiver for the Ne England Patriots. It sounds foolish to contest that.

Click to expand...

Moss apologists, like those with Maroney will never accept the facts.

Your whole post makes me cringe, every part. Are the Patriots known for being an organization that would trash a player, let alone a past Pats player? I guess the 10+ reports of his pathetic attitude and his obvious quitting during games is blind to you. Did you happen to watch the Carolina game last season? I know, I know he played hard right?

The bold isnt even worth my comment because your just drinking the koolaid BB sold on you about the trade. He forced BB's hand, that's a fact.

I can pretty much guarentee you were one of the ones claiming our offense was doomed because we didn't have a deep threat or someone to "stretch the field"

I respect what he did for us in 07 and 08 but his piss poor attitude and how its all about him is something I will never forgive him for. Why did Minn get rid of him? I guess he didn't force their hand either? Come on now, you cant even believe what you're saying.

Keyser Söze said:

Moss apologists, like those with Maroney will never accept the facts.

Your whole post makes me cringe, every part. Are the Patriots known for being an organization that would trash a player, let alone a past Pats player? I guess the 10+ reports of his pathetic attitude and his obvious quitting during games is blind to you. Did you happen to watch the Carolina game last season? I know, I know he played hard right?

The bold isnt even worth my comment because your just drinking the koolaid BB sold on you about the trade. He forced BB's hand, that's a fact.

Click to expand...

How is that a fact?? Show me how that is a fact. Anything will do.

Reports are less reliable than his teammates comments about him. The "reporters" weren't there, they heard it from someone else. And even if you accept those reports as fact, there was nothing in them that demonstrates that Moss had become such a cancer that Belichick couldn't even stand to have the guy on the team anymore.

Your hatred for the guy is irrational, and so are your arguments. You speak as if you were on the locker room, there are no "facts" here, merely opinions, as neither you nor I have real knowledge of what went on. I am merely coming up with a more reasonable explanation as to why he was traded, without resorting to mediatic sensationalism. But, obviously, you're blinded by your personal bias against Moss.

And oh, by the way, I never drunk the kool-aid on this trade. Actually, I was against it when it happened. If anyone is the homer here, it's you, for the mere fact that you are placing the responsibility for the trade solely on Moss, acting as if Belichick had no other choice, and thus made the undoubtedly right decision by trading him. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, all I'm arguing is that it might not be as black and white as "Moss was a bum and the team would be ruined if he weren't traded", simply because there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim.

Minny traded him because he is psychologically unstable and quickly realized the Vikings weren't going anywhere, so yeah, he surely quit on them because he had that "oh s*it" moment when he figured how dumb it was of him to not be more of a team player here. I don't contest he became somewhat of a problem in 2010, I just think the situation could very well be solved if it weren't for the fact that it was the last year of his contract. Bill just didn't see the value in resigning him and got what he could because he thought the Pats would be successful without Moss. That's the more reasonable explanation.