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The fact that Roger considers that "personal issue" is a joke.

Who is the victim when a couple both decide they want group sex?

When someone cheats, the person being cheated on is the victim. There is no victim here.

You seem to be doing a complete reversal here. If there was no victim, why should the league get involved.

Why did Big Ben get in trouble when he wasn't guilty of anything?

All he did was embarrass the league, he was not found guilty of anything.

Big Ben did a whole lot more than embarrass the league. He raped a girl. But the DA concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to convince a jury of Steelers fans that he did. DA had enough evidence to convince Rodger, however. That doesn't change what he did, or do you still think OJ was innocent too?
 
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Who is the victim when a couple both decide they want group sex?

When someone cheats, the person being cheated on is the victim. There is no victim here.



Why did Big Ben get in trouble when he wasn't guilty of anything?

All he did was embarrass the league, he was not found guilty of anything.

He admitted to something which, while not illegal, was too much.

He said he had consensual sex with a drunk girl in the bathroom of a bar, and he admitted that during the sex, the girl hit her head hard. He actually said she hit her head.

There are some countries in the first world where that's enough to go to jail on a rape charge. On most college campuses, that's enough to get you tossed out of school.
 
He admitted to something which, while not illegal, was too much.

He said he had consensual sex with a drunk girl in the bathroom of a bar, and he admitted that during the sex, the girl hit her head hard. He actually said she hit her head.

There are some countries in the first world where that's enough to go to jail on a rape charge. On most college campuses, that's enough to get you tossed out of school.

Yeah, to compare this to the Roethlisberger incident is absurd. I understand that people here want to pile on the Goddell is biased bandwaggon. Maybe he is. I'm just not seeing it here. I don't want the league getting into legal activity that adults do in their bedrooms. I don't want them coming close to it. Roethlisberger admitted to being a pig. It was also alcohol-related, and he admitted it was. That is one of the 3 points of emphasis, as I understand it, in the personal conduct policy memo -- alcohol, weapons, and sexual violence. Perhaps the prosecutor didn't think he had enough to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, and the "reasonable doubt" standard is the one we use before we take away your liberty or put you in jail. An employer or league doesn't need to use that standard before imposing discipline. Just because the prosecutor didn't prosecute, it doesn't mean the league can't make its own conclusion that you were involved in illegal conduct.

People who think that equates with being a pervert are either: (1) prudes or (2) have an axe to grind.

If Rex Ryan and his wife met a couple on line to "swing" with, and the couple turned out to allege they only wanted some foot play or something but that Rex got trashed and started pulling out nipple clamps against the couple's will or something, which the police investigated but ultimately ruled there wasn't enough evidence to get a reasonable doubt conviction, then it would be equivalent. If the league didn't do something then, I would view it relevant. Otherwise, being a pervert should stay at the club level and if they don't want to do anything, it's their call.
 
You seem to be doing a complete reversal here. If there was no victim, why should the league get involved.

There is no victim if it's done in private, but now that it is made public (not leaked, but posted by the Ryans themselves) the NFL, the team and his kids are the victim.

Big Ben did a whole lot more than embarrass the league. He raped a girl. But the DA concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to convince a jury of Steelers fans that he did. DA had enough evidence to convince Rodger, however. That doesn't change what he did, or do you still think OJ was innocent too?

1) I do think Ben probably raped that woman.
2) The court of law said he didn't, so why did Roger suspend him?

He admitted to something which, while not illegal, was too much.

I guess that's just Roger picking and choosing his battles instead of being consistent, as usual.
 
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Big Ben did a whole lot more than embarrass the league. He raped a girl. But the DA concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to convince a jury of Steelers fans that he did. DA had enough evidence to convince Rodger, however. That doesn't change what he did, or do you still think OJ was innocent too?

It's a really weird phenomenon. People seem to think the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard should apply to what people think, believe, or do outside a courtroom. For example, when an allegation is made against someone, it's not unusual to hear two guys at a water cooler, or people on an internet message board, say, "innocent until proven guilty."

Which makes me laugh. Everyone says they hate lawyers, but they all want to be just them and talk just like them. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal fiction. It is a concept to be used, exclusively, in court. It is a reflection of the fact that we, as a society, have determined that throwing a person in jail, or executing them, is a really big deal and we want to be absolutely sure before we do it.

It has, however, nothing to do with the truth. In the real world -- meaning the 99.99999 percent of the world that exists outside the courtroom -- there is actually "truth." Nobody is actually "innocent until proven guilty." Someone is either guilty or they are not. Something either happened or it didn't. The fact that we impose burdens of proof in court does not change that fact. There's nothing wrong with a person deciding that Ben probably had non-consensual sex with someone and taking action against him based on that belief. The only caveat is that if that someone is a court, and the action is throwing him in jail or convicting him of a criminal offense, he gets a heavy presumption of innocence.
 
There's nothing wrong with a person deciding that Ben probably had non-consensual sex with someone and taking action against him based on that belief.

So I should be allowed to lock Ben in a dark basement for the rest of his life because I think he raped a woman?

No, I shouldn't. Because this is a civilized society and we deal with things through the court system. Sometimes they're wrong, most of the time they're right. Court of law said he did nothing wrong so he deserves the same rights as every other American.

Yeah, to compare this to the Roethlisberger incident is absurd.

Why? Neither did anything wrong in the court of law, but both were embarrassing to the NFL.
 
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There is no victim if it's done in private, but now that it is made public (not leaked, but posted by the Ryans themselves) the NFL, the team and his kids are the victim.
Oh won't someone think of the children! Seriously, this is way too benign for the league to get involved. Should Belichick be punished because he was cheating on his wife with a secretary for the NY Giants, leading to his divorce? Should Brady be punished for having a kid out of wedlock?

1) I do think Ben probably raped that woman.
2) The court of law said he didn't, so why did Roger suspend him?
No court of law never said anything about Big Ben because the charges were dropped by the DA, but that's not even relevant. It's clear the league can discipline for behavior that isn't illegal. This is the same as any private employer. If I stopped paying attention to my hygiene and started wearing dirty clothes to work, I would probably not keep my job for long despite not having committed a crime. The question here is does Rex's conduct damage the league? The answer is "you've got to be kidding".

I guess that's just Roger picking and choosing his battles instead of being consistent, as usual.
Are you buddies with Goodell or something? You and him seem to be on a first name basis. I've actually yet to see any bias out of him that even remotely compares to the bias that sports fans have to see bias everywhere they look. But while other circumstances have maybe left a shadow of doubt about Goodell's impartiality, people are just making themselves look stupid by suggesting it here.
 
I've actually yet to see any bias out of him that even remotely compares to the bias that sports fans have to see bias everywhere they look.

+1.

But, you're about to be shouted down. Best of luck with that, but at least know others agree.

I really don't understand why we need to turn a funny and immensely entertaining story about Rex being a pervert into a rant about Goddell or perceived mistreatment.
 
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Someone needs to add some foot fetish audio clips to the Rex Ryan soundboard.

"Can I smell 'em?"
 
Oh won't someone think of the children! Seriously, this is way too benign for the league to get involved. Should Belichick be punished because he was cheating on his wife with a secretary for the NY Giants, leading to his divorce? Should Brady be punished for having a kid out of wedlock?

No court of law never said anything about Big Ben because the charges were dropped by the DA, but that's not even relevant. It's clear the league can discipline for behavior that isn't illegal. This is the same as any private employer. If I stopped paying attention to my hygiene and started wearing dirty clothes to work, I would probably not keep my job for long despite not having committed a crime. The question here is does Rex's conduct damage the league? The answer is "you've got to be kidding".

Are you buddies with Goodell or something? You and him seem to be on a first name basis. I've actually yet to see any bias out of him that even remotely compares to the bias that sports fans have to see bias everywhere they look. But while other circumstances have maybe left a shadow of doubt about Goodell's impartiality, people are just making themselves look stupid by suggesting it here.

Excellent. I can't believe people are actually trying to compare this to Roethlisberger or argue that Rex should be suspended. Yeah, this is a funny thing and we have all sorts of new Rex Ryan joke material, but that's all this is. Enough with the good ol' fashioned moralizin'.
 
Oh won't someone think of the children! Seriously, this is way too benign for the league to get involved. Should Belichick be punished because he was cheating on his wife with a secretary for the NY Giants, leading to his divorce? Should Brady be punished for having a kid out of wedlock?

Getting involved with Ben was unnecessary yet he did. Again, you have to stay consistent.

On the basis of what? Did he suspend Ben for raping a girl? Surely he couldn't of done that. He suspended him for being accused of rape, basically.

The question here is does Rex's conduct damage the league? The answer is "you've got to be kidding".

How did Ben's behavior damage the league? He was found guilty of having sex with a woman, not guilty of raping her.
 
Getting involved with Ben was unnecessary yet he did. Again, you have to stay consistent.

On the basis of what? Did he suspend Ben for raping a girl? Surely he couldn't of done that. He suspended him for being accused of rape, basically.



How did Ben's behavior damage the league? He was found guilty of having sex with a woman, not guilty of raping her.

You're leaving out the most important part. Sex with a drunk girl in a bathroom stall where he admitted she got hurt.

I'm telling you, he admitted that, and in many walks of life that's a big no-no. You can get thrown out of school for that, for instance. In some 1st world countries, you end up in jail for that.

What Rex did would neither get you thrown out of school nor sent to jail in some first world countries.
 
You're leaving out the most important part. Sex with a drunk girl in a bathroom stall where he admitted she got hurt.

So Roger suspended Ben because he had sex with a drunk girl?

99% of the girls these players bring back from the clubs are drunk.

C'mon man. You seriously want to punish a parent for embarrassing his teenage children? If that was a crime every parent would be in jail.

You left out where I noted he embarrassed the NFL and his team as well. I added the children part due to you asking what's the difference between a guy cheating on his wife and a married couple participating in group sex.
 
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Why did Big Ben get in trouble when he wasn't guilty of anything?

All he did was embarrass the league, he was not found guilty of anything.
Just because Rapistberger didn't go to trial doesn't mean he wasn't guilty of anything.
 
Getting involved with Ben was unnecessary yet he did. Again, you have to stay consistent.
No, it was necessary, because Ben committed rape, as determined by the NFL in an internal process. Again, the NFL suspended him because they concluded he raped a woman.

On the basis of what? Did he suspend Ben for raping a girl? Surely he couldn't of done that. He suspended him for being accused of rape, basically.
Once he was publicly accused of rape, the NFL conducted a review. Their review substantiated the rape allegation. The fact that the criminal case did not proceed has nothing to do with it, the NFL - like every employer - has jurisdiction to make their own findings of fact for the purposes of internal discipline. Remember that in the world of criminal law, there are constitutional protections (4th amendment, 5th amendment, etc) that don't exist with an internal process. So someone could actually be acquitted at a criminal trial and still punished by their employer because their employer can use evidence not admissible in a trial.

How did Ben's behavior damage the league? He was found guilty of having sex with a woman, not guilty of raping her.
You're being very loose with your wording. He was not "found guilty" of anything, he was not even brought to trial. The league concluded that he engaged in behavior (non-consensual sex) that the league does not tolerate. If you want to draw a relevant parallel, there might be something in the way Favre has been treated versus how Rothlisberger was treated, but even that isn't exactly apples to apples - nothing ever is because circumstances are never quite the same (reliability of the accuser, etc).
 
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You're so ignorant it's a f*cking miracle you don't die crossing the street.

Well, that was mature.

I've already said I believe Ben raped that woman. I even affectionately refer to him as Big Rapey. However, the court of law did not so Roger did not have the right to do anything.

Yeah but there is a difference between drunk consensual sex and drunk un-consensual sex obviously.

Roger can't prove he raped her, so he shouldn't do anything.

I think Deus is the only other person on the board that comprehended this simple logic.

Again, the NFL suspended him because they concluded he raped a woman.

So rape is only worthy of a 4 week suspension? That's pretty disgusting.

If they concluded that he raped her, why didn't they kick him out of the league? According to you, they would have the right to.
 
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