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Do you really think he had no faith in the D?

BB felt, whether rightly or wrongly, that the offense could get two yards in that situation. It's not a question of faith, or lack of faith, in the D.

Yes, it is. If we punted, Manning would have come down and scored. That's what he was thinking. I know at least our last two playoff losses are in my head.
 
Wow, some of you need to go to bed and get some sleep, talk about overracting, we have a great coach with the BALLS and smarts to go fot it there and because it fails half of you are ready to jump off the Tobin Bridge or throw BB of the bridge.
We go back there we will win in the playoffs.

I love him.... I would die for him. Our 28... wtf:confused:
 
Yes, it is. If we punted, Manning would have come down and scored. That's what he was thinking. I know at least our last two playoff losses are in my head.

yup...i bet money on it that Manning would have scored...he had over 2 minutes and a couple time outs...the way the flow of the game was going...it seem unavoidable...
 
You can ignore the officials if you want, but it is key to understanding the decision to go for it on 4th down. If the Butler play was called interference, then all Manning has to do is find single coverage and throw it up. It isn't that Belichick didn't trust his defense...he didn't want to put the game in the hands of the officials.

I was going to post a couple of screen captures that show Faulk clearly making the first down, but after looking at it frame by frame, it isn't needed. Faulk's entire body is beyond the 30 until contact, and the reverse camera angle shows Faulk tucked the ball away before being pushed back. The side judge had the perfect angle to see forward progress and he made an intentional choice to spot the ball short of the 30. Remember, all the ball has to do is touch the front edge of the 30 yard stripe and it is a first down. At no point until Faulk hit the ground was the ball short of the 30.

This reminds me of the Watson fumble play against Denver in the playoffs. The official just ignored what they saw and spotted the ball based on the narrative in their head. I expect home cooking with the officials (which is why you want HFA) but I just can't get over how sick these calls were.

Anyone want to disagree with me, go right ahead. But if this game were in Foxboro and the exact reverse situation occurred, you know that Polian would have had the officials fired and opened an investigation.

Outside of the Maroney fumble which was inexcusable, the only beef I have with the Pats is not letting Addai score on that draw play. Check the odds:
1) Stop the Colts 4 straight plays from the 2
2) Drive down the field with 1:30 left for a winning FG
I'll take #2 every time. Oh well, at least the beat-down on the Jets next week (at home!!!!!) will take away some of the pain.
 
Either way, the Colts got the W tonight, but I like our chances in the rubber match. This isn't over yet.

Somehow some way, the Pats need to find the handle on that door to close out some of these games. The Broncos and the Colts should have been Ws if not for some poor game management.
 
This team should be able to finish off opponents and right now it cannot because the power running game is non-existant.
Yea this is were having Taylor REALLY hurt us. Remember is was Taylor that converted the 4-short vs the Falcons.
 
You can ignore the officials if you want, but it is key to understanding the decision to go for it on 4th down. If the Butler play was called interference, then all Manning has to do is find single coverage and throw it up. It isn't that Belichick didn't trust his defense...he didn't want to put the game in the hands of the officials.

I was going to post a couple of screen captures that show Faulk clearly making the first down, but after looking at it frame by frame, it isn't needed. Faulk's entire body is beyond the 30 until contact, and the reverse camera angle shows Faulk tucked the ball away before being pushed back. The side judge had the perfect angle to see forward progress and he made an intentional choice to spot the ball short of the 30. Remember, all the ball has to do is touch the front edge of the 30 yard stripe and it is a first down. At no point until Faulk hit the ground was the ball short of the 30.

This reminds me of the Watson fumble play against Denver in the playoffs. The official just ignored what they saw and spotted the ball based on the narrative in their head. I expect home cooking with the officials (which is why you want HFA) but I just can't get over how sick these calls were.

Anyone want to disagree with me, go right ahead. But if this game were in Foxboro and the exact reverse situation occurred, you know that Polian would have had the officials fired and opened an investigation.

Outside of the Maroney fumble which was inexcusable, the only beef I have with the Pats is not letting Addai score on that draw play. Check the odds:
1) Stop the Colts 4 straight plays from the 2
2) Drive down the field with 1:30 left for a winning FG
I'll take #2 every time. Oh well, at least the beat-down on the Jets next week (at home!!!!!) will take away some of the pain.

Post it! Post it! I want to be angry too! :D
 
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Worst loss since the Superbowl. I don't know if it's worse than losing Brady last year, but it's right up there. At least then, I could look forward to seeing Cassel.

The defensive line was done midway through the fourth quarter. You lose Banta-Cain, Ninkovich to injuries, and warren is already out of the game. So you have AD and Burgess rushing the passer for basically three quarters with no substitution, except for Brace.

That's why the lost. They could not pressure Manning at all at the end of the game. The pass interference call is irrelevant. The way the D played in the final minutes, they wouldn't have stopped Peyton anyway. No pass rush from the dline.

I understand why BB went for it on 4th and 2, but I don't like it. Not on our own 30. Stupid. At least give your D more than two or three chances for a turnover.

Embrassing loss. They choked big time. Brady didn't look too confident on that final drive, like he knew they were probably going to lose this game.

We saw great defense for the 3 and 1/2 quarters, but they couldn't finish the game. Now it doesn't matter.

The old Pats would look at this loss and play like a new team next week. Will these Pats do it? I'm not sure.
 
Colts are the best the AFC has to offer and the Pats were 1 foot away from winning in their house. Patriots are still in good shape.
 
Talk about giving away a game..wowww a ton of missed opportunities but what are you gonna do? It was a frustrating loss but NE looked pretty damn good for the most part. It seriously feels like they just gift wrapped them that whole fourth quarter. The defense was looking great for most of the game but towards the end they just let manning have any pass he wanted & Indy was easily able to score quickly. I dunno, hopefully they fix these little problems cuz they been blowing a lot of chances to put the game away but fail to do so.
 
Colts are the best the AFC has to offer and the Pats were 1 foot away from winning in their house. Patriots are still in good shape.

Good point. We will get better. I have faith that we will be fine and will bounce from this and be the better team.
 
Moss, Welker, & Faulk looked like they were in 07 though so theres some silver lining. If they win their next 2 games that will be HUGE, especially at the superdome.
 
Just some post game thoughts I would like to share:
-got to start by saying i agree with the call to go for it on fourth and two even moreso if they would have ran it on the third down (i think they threw it there), got to believe they would have run it at least once there if Fred Taylor was healthy, a notorious colts killer (coach belichick keeps on saying it was one yard on the post-game commentary so maybe he was confused on the distance-to go)
-we need to get a fullback, law-firm isn't cutting it- is lorenzo neal retired?

-if you aren't going to run it, it's hard to argue with using Kevin faulk as the option there as he is the pats go-to man in those types of situations-maybe you try for Moss and try to get a PI call like those flicken colts receivers always get (I seriously think their coached to get to penalties!!)

-i am a fan of maroney but i don't know what's the matter with this guy. Usually he has a nose for the end-zone but that fumble killed the pats- we need Fred or Sammy back somebody that will bring the wood!

-this is the second year in a row the pats did not have any timeouts at the end of the game. Last year was even worse because I believe the pats exhausted all their timeouts even before the ten-minute mark of the fourth was over which is inexcusable![/B]

-Lastly, stating the obvious but as everyone knows here we need a pass rusher. I thought Burgess was going to be enough but it looks like he has run out of gas from his days in philly and oak. As one of you guys said the Pats do get Ty and Jarvis back- I gotta believe they'll help
-it's frustrating, we could have one loss right now just stupid stuff and defensive lapses are killing the pats!
Thanks!
 
...and the pats team bus smashes into a police car on the way out.



Now it's funny. :rofl:
 
We had it in the bag.

IN THE ****ING BAG.

**** the refs.

**** going for it.

****.

I don't feel any better.
 
My thoughts? The Patriots better hope they don't play the Colts in the playoffs. It might be better if they miss the playoffs entirely. Absolutely embarrassing ending to this game, and think about it, the Colts played like crap.

I'm getting ******* tired of this franchise blowing leads in the 4th quarter.
 
that was the mother of all choke jobs and the dumbest decision to go on 4th i have ever seen. wtf I'm speechless:mad::mad: this team needs to learn when it counts in big games how to win all over again. i am sick to my stomach.
 
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i think the Super Bowl loss and the AFCCG loss somewhat desensitized me to losses like this. I'm surprisingly ok with this already. It was sickening for a few minutes, but then I remembered we have quite a few games left. Beating the Jets could be very cathartic.
 
I hate Laurence Maroney.

We have 3rd and 2 and I think we can infer BB approached the down knowing that if we didn't pick it up he was going to go for it on fourth barring a penalty/sack/loss of yards. He knows this before the play and still isn't confident enough to call Maroney's # to at least pick up a yard on third and make the defense respect the sneak. Don't get me started on the fumble... If we have a legitimate #1 back (or even a healthy Taylor or Morris), this is an entirely different game.

**** you, Laurence.

I'm fine with BB's call to go for it. Our D was worn ragged and in prime position to get abused. Lame call on Faulk from the officials hurt us there. Our D didn't have the stones to put up pressure late in the game and we got smoked.
 
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