Classless Ryan and his game captains

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PatsfanGlo said:

D-bag, I think Jets and Jets fans are least qualified to talk about anything related to class or sportsmanship. You are now gripping about TB declining interview? Good grief, your team just won. For once in your miserable fanhood, enjoy the win and be happy.

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It's been so long since the Jets beat the Pats at home they don't know how to act. Besides, they still feel jilted by BB, and hell hath no fury like a woman or Jets fan (same thing) scorned.

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I dont understand what Jets fans wanted? Did you want BB to give RR a huge hug? He just got his ass kicked, hes pissed off. He shook RRs hand and walked off the field, why should he stand around and congratualate everyone?

Was it really neccasary for Sanchez to go up to BB after the game? Does TB go up to every coach he beats? No he doesnt. Sanchez and the Jets got caught up in the moment and think they won the Super Bowl, relax just a week 2 division game.

PATSNUTme said:

I see that some people just don't get it. All the talk before or even after the game matters not. The Jets won the game.The Patriots should of had that put away in the first half and they didn't. But that is and will be discussed on other threads.

The point is that Rex is suppose to be a professional football coach. As a professional you NOT bring out a backup QB, who was only signed 2 weeks before after he was released by the team you are playing, and make him a captain. I have never seen this done before and the only reason to do this is to say "F U" to the other coach.

I would feel the same way about this had the Patriots smoked the Jets yesterday. Where is the professional ethics? No matter what profession you are in, you do not try to humiliate your competitor for no reason.

If you do, then you are classless and viewed as a slimeball.

That is the point of this thread.

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I get it- I just disagree with you. What does it matter who the captains are? They could send out the ballboys for all I care, what's the difference? This was just one more way of Ryan playing the disrespect card and getting his team fired up. Apparently, you think that it crossed some moral line, but IMO whatever line you're talking about is a pretty arbitrary one. This was no better or worse than any other tactic that's designed to get your guys amped up for the game.

BradyFTW! said:

I get it- I just disagree with you. What does it matter who the captains are? They could send out the ballboys for all I care, what's the difference? This was just one more way of Ryan playing the disrespect card and getting his team fired up. Apparently, you think that it crossed some moral line, but IMO whatever line you're talking about is a pretty arbitrary one. This was no better or worse than any other tactic that's designed to get your guys amped up for the game.

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Actually from reading the rest of your post, I don't think you do get it.

There is a difference between "morals" and professional ethics. Professionals who do not give other professionals the courtesy and respect that the profession adheres to, is a slimeball. When another "professional" disrespects another professional without provocation, and does it on a public stage, they lower the bar for that profession in a meaningful way.

There are ways to get your team fired up and not insult someone else. There are lines that should not be crossed and Ryan stepped over the line with this one. I'm sure that other coaches have noticed this and will get back at this slimeball quietly when the opportunity presents itself.

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jetsattack said:

yeah he told her no interview cause he thinks he's bigger than the game. 99.9% of the time the athlete stops and gives a brief interview. that's called class. brady has none. the fact that he ran off the field yesterday wihtout shaking anybodies hand is proof. that's behavior you learn in pop warner. it's called sportmanship.

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Perhaps he would have been better served to climb up in the stands and scream at her to show him her tits.

Well, the Pats had their opportunity to shut them up, and they didn't. I'll tell you what though, Jet fans had better hope that Brady and this offense don't find their footing the next time the two teams meet. You had best believe that they won't forget about this one.

PATSNUTme said:

Actually from reading the rest of your post, I don't think you do get it.

There is a difference between "morals" and professional ethics. Professionals who do not give other professionals the courtesy and respect that the profession adheres to, is a slimeball. When another "professional" disrespects another professional without provocation, and does it on a public stage, they lower the bar for that profession in a meaningful way.

There are ways to get your team fired up and not insult someone else. There are lines that should not be crossed and Ryan stepped over the line with this one. I'm sure that other coaches have noticed this and will get back at this slimeball quietly when the opportunity presents itself.

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When the Pats beat the Redskins 52-7, were you beating the ethics drum then too? Because the people who were calling out the Pats for being classless and 'running up the score' made the exact same argument. It was deeply flawed and pointless then, and it still is now. There's no code, written or unwritten, that says that you (or even should) take the other team's feelings into account. There is absolutely no standard for who a team's captains should be. Hell, the Jets don't even have regular captains: they get appointed from week to week, and the Ravens do the exact same thing (that's where Ryan got it from, I assume). On a personal level, I like this method and would be thrilled if the Pats adopted it. It's consistent with Belichick's message that every player is a vital and necessary cog in the machine, and needs to be ready to step up in a big way if called upon.

Either way, you're claiming that there's some universal standard for how a coach should handle his captains, when the reality is that there just isn't one. If you want to claim it as some unwritten rule, then I'd point you to the many unwritten rules that Belichick has broken precisely because he doesn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. Most notably, of course, the whole 'running up the score' debacle. You can't have it both ways: either coaches need to be gentlemen on the field or they don't, and keep in mind that Belichick most definitely isn't one. It's awfully hypocritical to hold Ryan to such an arbitrary standard without subjecting Belichick to it too.

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jetsattack said:

yeah he told her no interview cause he thinks he's bigger than the game. 99.9% of the time the athlete stops and gives a brief interview. that's called class. brady has none. the fact that he ran off the field yesterday wihtout shaking anybodies hand is proof. that's behavior you learn in pop warner. it's called sportmanship.

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and that is something your classless Jets fans have never learned.. Brady has more class than your entire trailor trash outfit!! And that goes for porker Ryan. so Don't start talking sportmsanship when you and your idiot friends have none....start there and then start coming here.

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jetsattack said:

but acting like an arrogant douche to kolber last week wasn't classless? running off the field early after the giants beat you wasn't classless?
brady running off the field yesterday without shaking hands wasn't classless?
BB blowing off sanchez' handshake wasn't classless? (sanchez didn't even talk one bit of sh*t this week).
brady and BB have been known for being classless.

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So you're saying BB and Brady are "classless" for how they act when they lose? If it means all they care about is winning and they hate it when they lose, I guess that makes me a "classless" fan then. I'll sleep perfectly fine at night even with that moniker!

This "classless" talk...or "losing with dignity" talk is BS.

This isn't pee wee's, or little league. Everyone doesn't get a F*(^in trophy for playing. One trophy's handed out. That's it. This is a job. If you lose, you failed to do your job on that particular day. That's piss me off too.

What I don't want is what i saw at the end of the NFC title game last year and that many eagles players laughing with the newly crowned NFC champion Cardinals. That bothers me more than losing and not shaking hands.

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Pats67 said:

Perhaps he would have been better served to climb up in the stands and scream at her to show him her tits.

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"I wanna (hic) kisth you".

Jets fans don't have the right to complain about disrespect to Suzy Kolber.

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Halifax_Pats_Fan said:

The ex-patriots captains thing was a bit over the top. To me it said that ok, you guys were no longer good enough to be on the Patriots roster and they cut you. Ryan stole a page from the 'prove it' mentality. You think you are better than you are?, prove it to me and the Patriots that they made a mistake in letting you go. This philospphy is Belichick's and Parcel's, however they don't handle it so publically so yeah, that was kind of classless.

However, and I am gonna get flamed on this board for saying this, but Brady after some loses, like the one yesterday, I don't get it. And Belichick and Sanchez either. Yes he is a kid, but at least give him a bit of respect and shake his hand. Brady should have hung around to shake Sanchez hand. How hard can it be? Run over, shake his hand and walk off the field, congratulate him on a good game. That way, Brady will keep getting that fowl taste in his mouth that will continue to fuel his fire. Motivation you know. I can see saying "no interviews" to Kolber. The way she was relentlessly running after him was kinda sad. However your opponet, you don't have to like him, but you DO have to respect him.

B & B Touchdown factory need to, after a game, win or loss, run over shake your opponets hand, and then you're free to go. The Jets won 1 of 16 games. You WILL get another crack at them. Never EVER EVER show them how they got to you. Come back out next time and leave absolutely no doubt....

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Thank you for a well thought out post.

makoute said:

seriously as a Patriots, you really shouldn't be calling out other teams about class or lack there of.

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The Patriots generally talk up an opponent. They don't trash an opponent after they win. They give credit to an opponent after they lose. They don't make excuses after they lose. Nobody throws a teammate under the bus. This whole "class" thing is silly. And I never saw an ex-Patriot drunkenly hit on a female reporter. I never heard a group of Patriot fans harass female fans to expose thier breast. I guess "class" is a subjective issue.

BradyFTW! said:

When the Pats beat the Redskins 52-7, were you beating the ethics drum then too? Because the people who were calling out the Pats for being classless and 'running up the score' made the exact same argument. It was deeply flawed and pointless then, and it still is now. There's no code, written or unwritten, that says that you (or even should) take the other team's feelings into account. There is absolutely no standard for who a team's captains should be. Hell, the Jets don't even have regular captains: they get appointed from week to week, and the Ravens do the exact same thing (that's where Ryan got it from, I assume). On a personal level, I like this method and would be thrilled if the Pats adopted it. It's consistent with Belichick's message that every player is a vital and necessary cog in the machine, and needs to be ready to step up in a big way if called upon.

Either way, you're claiming that there's some universal standard for how a coach should handle his captains, when the reality is that there just isn't one. If you want to claim it as some unwritten rule, then I'd point you to the many unwritten rules that Belichick has broken precisely because he doesn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. Most notably, of course, the whole 'running up the score' debacle. You can't have it both ways: either coaches need to be gentlemen on the field or they don't, and keep in mind that Belichick most definitely isn't one. It's awfully hypocritical to hold Ryan to such an arbitrary standard without subjecting Belichick to it too.

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In your profession, whatever it may be, are there not unwritten ethical standards? These standards are known to people in that profession. Ther are certain lines that should not be crossed.

The so called "running up the score' is a poor example of breaking ethical standards in professional sports. It may violate ethical standards in little league though.

Anyway, this horse has been beaten to death.

After reading this thread, I think I've come up with a couple of new Laws of Nature, so somebody might want to alert the Nobel Committee and tell them I can get to Oslo on a moment's notice to pick up the Prize.

Rule 1: In the NFL, Class is in the eye of the beholder.

Rule 2: In the NFL, it's easier to claim you have Class if you win than if you lose.

Rule 2a (corollary to Rule 2): Whining that the team that just whipped your butt doesn't have Class doesn't have Class.

Rule 3: Lombardi's and Rings end all debates about Class.

The jets fans are still complaining about us winning 52 - 7 ????

Omg.

PatsFanSince74 said:

After reading this thread, I think I've come up with a couple of new Laws of Nature, so somebody might want to alert the Nobel Committee and tell them I can get to Oslo on a moment's notice to pick up the Prize.

Rule 1: In the NFL, Class is in the eye of the beholder.

Rule 2: In the NFL, it's easier to claim you have Class if you win than if you lose.

Rule 2a (corollary to Rule 2): Whining that the team that just whipped your butt doesn't have Class doesn't have Class.

Rule 3: Lombardi's and Rings end all debates about Class.

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Rule 4.Don't have ethical standards. It's really hard to live by them for many people.

Can I share the prize?

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Rule 1: In the NFL, Class is in the eye of the beholder.

Rule 2: In the NFL, it's easier to claim you have Class if you win than if you lose.

Rule 2a (corollary to Rule 2): Whining that the team that just whipped your butt doesn't have Class doesn't have Class.

Rule 3: Lombardi's and Rings end all debates about Class.

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The cry of the losers, calling the other team or teams fans classless, thats loser talk.
Listening to weei this afternoon it was one jest fan after another calling in about the handshake, they obviously arent used to winning or coming out on top. I watched Coughlin and Wade Phillips after the game and the handshake wasnt any different than BB's, yet no Giants fans up in arms over it.

All this talk about who didnt shake who's hand is silliness, when your down on the field after a game its chaos and who can be sure Brady saw Sanchez or if BB did. They gave them props after the game, what more do these clowns want, you won, I know your not used to it and probably shouldnt get used to it because it will probably be short lived. Try to enjoy it and worry about the next game and hope your team didnt blow its emotional wad and has a letdown next week,

Guys, I am a Bills fan, and you guys are really over reacting to the situation.

Brady is playing better than a long list of injured QB's that returned from a serious injury.

Brady will eventually be, well, Tom Brady when he mentally returns to form.

The defense, give it more time, that was a lot of changes in a short time frame.

If you guys believe for one second the Patriots will not be there at the end, then you really are truly crazy!

We fans in Buffalo compare every new Buffalo QB to Jim Kelly, and you guys are comparing this team to the 16-0 Patriots.

That is asking a lot.

The best team in December, will more then likely win it all!

Guys, I am a Bills fan, and you guys are really over reacting to the situation.

Brady is playing better than a long list of injured QB's that returned from a serious injury.

Brady will eventually be, well, Tom Brady when he mentally returns to form.

The defense, give it more time, that was a lot of changes in a short time frame.

If you guys believe for one second the Patriots will not be there at the end, then you really are truly crazy!

We fans in Buffalo compare every new Buffalo QB to Jim Kelly, and you guys are comparing this team to the 16-0 Patriots.

That is asking a lot.

The best team in December, will more then likely win it all!

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Theres no room for rational analysis on this board

cmasspatsfan said:

Theres no room for rational analysis on this board

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I believe 90% of the Patriots fans are not too worried!

Wow, 1-1 after 2 weeks, no time to be concerned