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emoney_33 said:

Are you still spouting this damn nonsense? Seriously, you are judging the difficulty of the catch based on the outcome. I'm pretty sure I'll take Moss' judgement over yours on how to play a ball in the air 110 times out of 100. But you continue to criticize the guy for not being perfect, I mean damn we need something to kvetch about.

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MoLewisrocks said:

No, it doesn't, except for those like yourself and dhamz who refuse to acknowledge the fact that something hasn't been right with this offense since last December... And anyone who dares point that out is accused of using terms like dogging it although they've made no such claims. This is why we can't have rational discussions here, entrenched opinions based on an irrational determination to perceive some subjects as off limits...

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Deus Irae said:

1.) It's not nonsense, as BB's woodshedding of the team demonstrates quite clearly to anyone who's capable of removing their lips from Moss's ass for even the briefest of moments.

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2.) You'll take Moss' judgment? That's especially funny because both of those balls were catches if he'd decided to "play a ball" the way I pointed out he didn't. Either his judgment was horribly flawed or he didn't put in the required effort on those plays, since he was clearly in position to make the play on both passes. It's one or the other, and you keep ignoring that.

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3.) Moss isn't perfect, and he doesn't go all out on every play. That's just reality. My pointing out his less than stellar effort in San Diego has nothing to do with his "I play...." comment, since I know the context in which it was made. It has to do with varied effort and intensity levels, and I was by no means the only person to notice it.

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emoney_33 said:

Did anyone really expect the offense to continue to perform as the greatest EVER far into the future? Did anyone really expect opposing team's NOT to figure out how to at least slow the Pats offense down? Does anyone really think that the offensive dropoff is mainly attributed to a fault of Randy Moss?

Unreal expectations... some people expect the offense to put up 50 points a game forever.

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MoLewisrocks said:

I don't expect 50 points, I do expect $9M players to be playmakers or what's the point? I saw the same lack of focus across the board in PS which was why I knew Cassel wasn't in jeopardy of losing his job. Saw it early in the KC game and it didn't surprise me, nor did it facing the disappointment of a Bradyless season. Just saw others snap out of it quicker. Hopefully Randy finally has. The one thing this team could not afford this season was complacency from it's veteran leaders. You lead best by example on the field. We saw the good and bad effect that has periodically in Miami yesterday.

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emoney_33 said:

Sure to some degree maybe the team as a whole had started off on the wrong foot mentally after Brady's injury. Moss however is getting undue and excess criticism. The bottom line is in the SD game the CBs made plays. That WILL happen from time to time, although rarely. It's not a focus issue, it just is what it is.

Moss has NOT been anywhere close to a problem or hindrance on this team from day 1. You guys are choosing to use on the field results to prove your false opinion of Moss' effort. I'll repeat once again that he has not come anywhere close to losing this team games and has (all season) been a positive value player for the Pats.

Unfair expectations lead to unfair criticism, but such is the life of a sports fanatic.

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MoLewisrocks said:

Nobody in this discussion ever accused him of being a problem or hinderance. That's the problem, they continue to be accused of that.

It is what it is most often IS a focus issue... When Bill days we're not executing or making enough plays what do you think he's talking about? LOL

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emoney_33 said:

Sure to some degree maybe the team as a whole had started off on the wrong foot mentally after Brady's injury. Moss however is getting undue and excess criticism. The bottom line is in the SD game the CBs made plays. That WILL happen from time to time, although rarely. It's not a focus issue, it just is what it is.

Moss has NOT been anywhere close to a problem or hindrance on this team from day 1. You guys are choosing to use on the field results to prove your false opinion of Moss' effort. I'll repeat once again that he has not come anywhere close to losing this team games and has (all season) been a positive value player for the Pats.

Unfair expectations lead to unfair criticism, but such is the life of a sports fanatic.

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Deus Irae said:

This post of yours proves pretty much everything I've been saying. You admit the mentality point and then get ridiculously defensive about Moss, deciding to attack us with false arguments, and completely ignore the fact that I've been a Moss supporter since before he even got to the team.

Moss was off, for whatever reason, and it showed. Admit it, be happy that he now seems to be back on track, and enjoy the rest of the season.

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emoney_33 said:

Well then why isn't there a thread about or talking about every other person on offense and defense and their "focus". A guy like Welker, who has dropped a couple of easy passes, NEVER has their "focus" called into play.

Granted you aren't as over the top as others regarding Moss, but why is Moss singled out if not for his past?

You would pay $9M a year to play 10 vs. 9 on offense each play, right?

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MrBigglesWorth said:

the question is... why did the fins single cover him half the time?

is the emergence of gaffney one of the reasons?

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ALP said:

why? lol

they noticed moss was innefective for hte most part this season, and decided to take a chance....the prob is, they didnt also comprehend it was b/c he was getting double covered...
also, having watson, gaffney and welker to defend as well really is a load when u bring an extra guy towards randy

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MoLewisrocks said:

Some fair points to be sure but if you also can't see the difference beyond coverage yesterday then you're as guilty as those you choose to tell off. Moss' effort has not been lacking but his focus has been inconsistent on a team that needed that more than ever. He snapped out of it mid afternoon yesterday and it showed. He fought to make catches thereafter even against single coverage, and when he does that he can even beat double and triple coverage on occasion - as he did through the first 12 weeks of 2007. That's why he's a HOF'er. For this team to succeed in the face of all that has befallen it this year he has to be that player pretty much every week. That will elevate the performances of those around him (in part because it aleviates the pressure on them to do more than their job to try to fill the voids). Like Bill always says, just do your job and we will win...

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wiggins! said:

I've got to vent. Sorry. Shoot me.

This goes out to media mainly and also people on this board.

To those who wondered why Randy Moss hadn't been putting up the numbers like he did last year, to those who didn't think Randy Moss was trying hard enough and to those who just wanted Matt Cassel to force the ball in - throw it to moss at all costs - here's the new message for all of you:

STFU

Again, if you didn't hear that loudly enough the first time - S-T-F-U.

You have proven you don't know jack sh&T about football. You have proven that all you're concerned about is a contrieved story line or your precious fantasy numbers.

Simple fact, Moss has been getting double and sometimes triple teamed all year long.

Simple fact, far too many people wanted to ignore this (both in the media (felger) and on this board).

Simple fact, Cassel was told / understands not to force the ball into double coverage as that leads to turnovers.

Final simple fact, if you play single coverage on Moss, Cassel will quickly become the best quarterback in the NFL and Moss will have a bronze bust in Canton before the season is done.

Enough. I don't want to hear anymore about how Moss hasn't been trying hard or that he's not getting enough balls. Yesterday (sunday) was proof enough of how this season has played out - if you've been paying attention - and unfortunately I don't think everyone has been.

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