Tomase adds an addendum

[maverick4]

I used to think patsox23 was one of the more intelligent posters here. Turns out he's even crazier than most.

He must personally be friends with Tomase to be defending this.

 

[BSR]

If you actually think that's what the analogy meant, I pray for you. Once again a bull-headed type angles for the straw man. An embarrassment.

I'm not the one defending FOX. I'm not the one defending Tomase. You made the analogy. The only irony is that you are lumping yourself in there with those people that lap up Fox, O'Reily, etc simply because Tomase was "sorry".

 

[reflexblue]

PS23, the only reason he sounds contrite is he got caught. He's like a 5 year old that got caught stealing cookies. Says he's sorry and even sounds like he it, but as soon as you turn your back he's gonna be back at the cookie jar.

As for the rest of your post, it's political and this isn't the place for it.

I was trying to find a spot to point this out to Patsox23. First he(Tomasse) tested the waters with an excuse,when that didn't fly he came back with the "I'm so sorry routine."

Second, and more important. This IS a sports forum,not a political forum. Thats a few floors/levals down from here, I know I go there often.

 

[marty]

Wow. A gigantic group of people with absolutely no perspective, no grace and no class. The guy offers up a comprehensive explanation whose very core is infused with apology and regret. He then adds an addendum where he uses words like "sorry" and "apology" and "regret" and NOTHING matters.

I'm not saying that just makes it all okay, it all goes away. But a measure of compassion and taking a freakin' BREATH wouldn't be completely out of line.

This is just a repeat of what Tomase did to begin with. Printed an incomplete piece,(so called apology) then try to follow up with the rest of the story. Did he really need to hear from fans and his employers to realize that his first stab at a me culpa was insufficient? Wow! He's had over 3 months to think about it, and this is the best he could come up with? I don't need to take a deep breath, I'll just do myself a favor and never read anything he's got to say again.

 

[AStack75]

Who wins: The Herald, everyone keeps talking about them, and keeps going to their site.

Maybe short term. Right now everyone is just looking at the train wreck. Once they clear the wreckage, there will be nobody left watching.

It's sad when Gail and Laura (the Herald's Inside Track gossip columnists) have more journalistic credibility than their sports columnists.

 

[PatriotsReign]

WTF are you talking about. If your buddy comes up to you with COMPLETE SINCERITY and say's. "sorry dude, I banged your wife, but it's okay, I was drunk at the time". Are you gonna say "No sweat buddy, you sure you pulled out though, right". Hell no, you punch the guy in his face.

I DON"T GIVE A **** how sincere he is. HE IS AN AMATEUR and has no business being a reporter, or having our trust anymore for telling us the truth. This apology/explanation proves that.

If you want to forgive him, fine. But the rest of us may not be at that point yet, and don't need you to pander your nose down to us because our anger still exists.

Oh yeah, about your BS comments about our kids. GFY, leave my kids out of it.

net/net...we want him unemployed...forever!

 

[BradyManny]

I used to think patsox23 was one of the more intelligent posters here. Turns out he's even crazier than most.

He must personally be friends with Tomase to be defending this.

patsox23 consistently posts quality football related stuff and is one of the few members here trying to get this board back to talking about football again. I applaud him for that. But his defense of Tomase has gone far overboard and seems personal to him. He's pulling a Maz and basically insulting anyone who thinks like a fan.

 

[shmessy]

I was trying to find a spot to point this out to Patsox23. First he(Tomasse) tested the waters with an excuse,when that didn't fly he came back with the "I'm so sorry routine."

Second, and more important. This IS a sports forum,not a political forum. Thats a few floors/levals down from here, I know I go there often.

He has been warned in the past and he just received an infraction. He knows the deal about politics in this forum.

 

[Angry Man]

In my eyes Tomasse can print all the apologizes in the world. The damage has been done. If this "article" had never been printed then Cameragate would of been long dead and buried by now. Instead Tomasse has brought back the Witchhunt on the Patriots and we got some dumb Congressman with nothing better to do now wanting an damn independant investigation done.

So no Tomasse... you are NOT forgiven.

 

[patsox23]

He's pulling a Maz and basically insulting anyone who thinks like a fan.

I just think the reaction to his piece and the apology - people threatening his FAMILY, for God's sake - is so much more intentionally harsh and, in my view, unforgivable due to its severe INTENT, that the overreach has caused me to come back around and think the attacks on him are worse than the original crime.

One's a massive mistake. The other is intentionally wounding. A world of difference. Sorry, but that kind of indifference p!sses me off. It's WRONG, and if I'm the only one to recognize it and say so, then it is what it is.

 

[patsox23]

He has been warned in the past and he just received an infraction. He knows the deal about politics in this forum.

You know what's WILDLY inappropriate? Posting this. A moderator who has a personal feud with a poster who then POSTS that the poster "just received an infraction." What a pathetic move.

 

[maverick4]

Why was my analogy of Fox News deleted? It's unfair that patsox can keep bringing that example up, but I can't counter with what is really happening using his own example:

Patsox, in your Fox News example that you keep bringing up, YOU are the one sheep blindly defending mediots who disseminated false info on WMD's, when everyone else sees that it was a media embarassment. You have it backwards.

 

[shmessy]

I just think the reaction to his piece and the apology - people threatening his FAMILY, for God's sake - is so much more intentionally harsh and, in my view, unforgivable due to its severe INTENT, that the overreach has caused me to come back around and think the attacks on him are worse than the original crime.

One's a massive mistake. The other is intentionally wounding. A world of difference. Sorry, but that kind of indifference p!sses me off. It's WRONG, and if I'm the only one to recognize it and say so, then it is what it is.

Anyone who has threatened Tomase, let alone his family, has received infractions and been sternly warned that there will be no second warnings on a ban if they do it again.

Please let me know if you see ANY threats of violence against Mr. Tomase, Specter, Walsh, etc.

Until you can show me an instance where that is on this board, don't fabricate it.

 

[maverick4]

What a pathetic move.

Patsox has really just 'lost it'. Based on his constant insults now to multiple people in this thread, it's clear this is EMOTIONAL for him. Somehow, this is personal. There is no other explanation for why he's gone off the deep end.

 

[Dr Pain]

I just think the reaction to his piece and the apology - people threatening his FAMILY, for God's sake - is so much more intentionally harsh and, in my view, unforgivable due to its severe INTENT, that the overreach has caused me to come back around and think the attacks on him are worse than the original crime.

One's a massive mistake. The other is intentionally wounding. A world of difference. Sorry, but that kind of indifference p!sses me off. It's WRONG, and if I'm the only one to recognize it and say so, then it is what it is.

He did not make a mistake. He took a shot.
What he wrote was intentionally wounding and a most likely a gamble that a rumor would pay off and no doubt visions of an ESPN gig etc.. as the payoff. I have not seen anyone here or anywhere threaten either him or his family. He took a risk that hurt people and it is only right that he pay for his misdeed with his job. Printing a story based on a rumor is inexcusable for a NEWS paper.

 

[BradyManny]

I just think the reaction to his piece and the apology - people threatening his FAMILY, for God's sake - is so much more intentionally harsh and, in my view, unforgivable due to its severe INTENT, that the overreach has caused me to come back around and think the attacks on him are worse than the original crime.

One's a massive mistake. The other is intentionally wounding. A world of difference. Sorry, but that kind of indifference p!sses me off. It's WRONG, and if I'm the only one to recognize it and say so, then it is what it is.

I agree that anyone who has insulted his family is nuts and needs to seek help immediately. But I have yet to see that on this board.

Most of us here are simply expressing our feelings that Tomase's apology is not sufficient and that nothing really would be sufficient to make up for such a damaging article, again, particularly due to the timing. Most of us here also recognize that probably a fair deal of this was out of Tomase's hands. But he wrote the article when - based on his telling of the story - he had absolutely no business doing so, and it was printed at the most possibly damaging time.

On top of that - that article was career suicide for him anyway, at least in terms of the Pats beat. Even if it had turned out to be true - which even then, all signs pointed to it not being the case, ie, the power supply to the cameras issue had been well documented - no Patriot player or coach will speak to him again.

All I'm saying is, he's done as the Pats beat writer and he has no business covering this team anymore.

 

[maverick4]

One's a massive mistake. The other is intentionally wounding. A world of difference.

- To call writing a piece, that gets published the day before the Superbowl, based on HEARSAY sources, just a 'mistake' is an understatement . It's worse than that, if you can stop your personal bias from clouding your judgement.

- In my opinion, what Tomase did is FAR worse than Maz's column. So yes, there is a world of difference, just not how you think it is. Again, you have it backwards.

 

[maverick4]

Anyone who has threatened Tomase, let alone his family, has received infractions and been sternly warned that there will be no second warnings on a ban if they do it again.
.

The fact that Patsox randomly made up this 'Tomase's family has been threatened' thing, suggests to me he personally knows Tomase and the threats he has received NOT from this board, but in real life. No one has made any physical threats toward Tomase on this board. Patsox unintentionally revealed where he is coming from with that accusation.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I just think the reaction to his piece and the apology - people threatening his FAMILY, for God's sake - is so much more intentionally harsh and, in my view, unforgivable due to its severe INTENT, that the overreach has caused me to come back around and think the attacks on him are worse than the original crime.

One's a massive mistake. The other is intentionally wounding. A world of difference. Sorry, but that kind of indifference p!sses me off. It's WRONG, and if I'm the only one to recognize it and say so, then it is what it is.

Who the hell here threatened his family...oh yeah, no one. Has he had to listen to some things that are a little "wounding"? Probably, but so to have his targets. Happens to unfortunate individuals the media so cavalierly smear every day. Goes around comes around every once in a while. I've never seen anything that remotely substantiates the actual existence of credible threats - and I believe it was merely his fellow mediots taking a little literary license to try to drum up sympathy and support for their fallen comrade. Face it, yesterday half the Herald staff was trying to re-enact the closing scene from Spartacus... Friggin drama queens who can dish it out but can't take it is all any of them are.

 

[BSR]

I just think the reaction to his piece and the apology - people threatening his FAMILY, for God's sake - is so much more intentionally harsh and, in my view, unforgivable due to its severe INTENT, that the overreach has caused me to come back around and think the attacks on him are worse than the original crime.

One's a massive mistake. The other is intentionally wounding. A world of difference. Sorry, but that kind of indifference p!sses me off. It's WRONG, and if I'm the only one to recognize it and say so, then it is what it is.

Appeal to emotion. Nothing addressing any points in that what so ever.

Again, simple question. How has Tomase and his editors been held accountable for thier actions? And no, an apology is not beign held accountable. Someone screws up this much then there should be a consequense. Normally I am not one to pile on things like this but this is the integrity of our news sources that we are talking about here.