O/T: Pete Carroll talks about SB XLIX Butler interception with Richard Sherman

[40yrpatsfan]

Pete made mistakes in that final 1:05 for sure, but calling for a pass there wasn't one of them. We brought in our biggest possible DL group - 8 of them. There was NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH that Lynch picks up a full yard at the goal line against that. The fact that Lynch picked up 4 on 1st down had no bearing cause that was against a light formation. And we had already stoned them twice in the game on short yardage situations.

 

[Mcp1982]

Pete made mistakes in that final 1:05 for sure, but calling for a pass there wasn't one of them. We brought in our biggest possible DL group - 8 of them. There was NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH that Lynch picks up a full yard at the goal line against that. The fact that Lynch picked up 4 on 1st down had no bearing cause that was against a light formation. And we had already stoned them twice in the game on short yardage situations.

Right, and say pats knock him back a yard, then they use their last TO and are third and goal from the two, basically forcing them to throw it twice. Was right call to throw, just bad play call and excellent execution by pats

 

[Disco Volante]

Although it turned out well for us, I take no pleasure in what happened to them as a result.

You wanted the Seahawks to become a dynasty?

 

[Pape]

This is the best analysis I have read on that series, and 100% agree with your take. The situation called for a run on second, with a time out, about 45 seconds on the clock for third, and probably 25-30 seconds for 4th. He got schooled by Bill on this, who had ice in his veins BTW.

Except she's wrong...the issue is two fold... They ran first down, second down started much later, snapping the ball with only 5 seconds on the play clock... and after the int, there were 21 seconds left, not 45

Whether it was them just being slow to drag the clock out or indecision based on us making our defensive subs (3 corners, a look we never ran all year on the goal line) time was dwindling.

Incomplete pass stops the clock, allows them to save the time out if the run gets stuffed on 3rd down... They get two running plays, but it's gotta be 3rd and 4th down

Don't fall into the trap thinking it was the worst call ever... It was our defense being prepared that made it a great play... Not a "terrible worst call ever" play call... That's just lazy football talking head speak

Watch this, do your job, refresh your memories

 

[OldEngland]

It's my favourite superbowl win. For many reasons, but because the Seahawks were a juggernaut, and arguably the strongest opponent in the dynasty era given they were reigning champs. But also because it is a game that could only have been won with both Brady and BB together at their peaks. Also loved that final series on O, Edelmans catch, Bolden's hit and the physicality.

Do You job 2014 on this is so interesting. Patricia asking BB about the time out, said BB did not initially answer but was "just staring across the field", before eventually answering "I got it". BB was later quoted "It just seemed in the flow of game we were OK where we were", and the Seahawks sideline "didn't look right", "and I didn't want to let them off the hook".

Knowing now they had practiced against that play, and it seems BB somewhat baited it is astonishing. Yeah Carroll made mistakes in that series, but BB truly understood and exploited those mistakes in that situation. It is easy to say in hindsight since they won, but given the pressure and magnitude of the last minute of a superbowl and because it gets lost in the louder narrative of Seahawks wailing and lamenting I'm going to say it....

That section of coaching by BB was arguably the best piece of situational football in the history of the game.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Bb doesn’t get enough credit for not calling a timeout after the first down play. By the time they snapped the next ball there was 25 seconds and seattle has just one timeout. That was the ultimate mind F.

As far as the seattle dynasty, I think alot more went into their downfall. They already were regressing (they were lucky AF to even be in that game). The window was going to start closing anyways.

 

[amfootball]

Except she's wrong...the issue is two fold... They ran first down, second down started much later, snapping the ball with only 5 seconds on the play clock... and after the int, there were 21 seconds left, not 45

Whether it was them just being slow to drag the clock out or indecision based on us making our defensive subs (3 corners, a look we never ran all year on the goal line) time was dwindling.

We only subbed in the 3 corners AFTER Pete took out his 12 personnel and ran on his 11 personnel. If you watch Do Your Job, Bill's notes the confusion on the Seattle sideline after they ran off the 12 personnel and then ran on the 11. That's when we ran our corners run out (remember, Flores yelling "Malcom go!") . There is no way we start second down with 3 corners on the field from the 1 yard line and let Lynch dance into the end zone.

Incomplete pass stops the clock, allows them to save the time out if the run gets stuffed on 3rd down... They get two running plays, but it's gotta be 3rd and 4th down

They could have run on second down and then used the time out and then passed on third and then run or pass on fourth. There was absolutely nothing forcing Pete to throw on second down from the 1. And nothing forcing him to throw a slant over the middle with Browner telegraphing the play to Butler before the snap.

Don't fall into the trap thinking it was the worst call ever... It was our defense being prepared that made it a great play... Not a "terrible worst call ever" play call... That's just lazy football talking head speak

It can actually be both and IS both IMO. It was a heck of a play by Butler to actually intercept it but a horrific play call too. There was no reason for Pete to be thinking of using all 4 downs there. The objective is to score. I mean he had the best defense, best secondary in the league to protect a 3 point lead with 30 seconds or less to go. And then on top, he calls a slant instead of a fade when his tall receivers were schooling out shorter DBs all night.

 

[TommyD4207]

What I would say to that is the Seahawks were taking away anything deep. If you watch out final 2 drives of the 4th, Brady just picks them apart with Edelman, Gronk, Danny, etc. Their secondary was too good to try to go deep. While it's possible Brady could have gotten is in FG range in 30 seconds to tie, it was unlikely vs that secondary which is why Pete should have continued to run the ball to force us to burn our final timeout.

One other thing that is often forgotten. When Kearse makes that catch and it goes to replay, the Seahawks burn their second timeout as they did not have their guys/play ready when the replay was over. That replay took at least 5 minutes as I remember them showing the Tyreek catch over and over. For Pete not to have his team ready at the 5 yard line in that situation is unforgivable and why his excuse of trying to get all 4 plays in is ridiculous. He had probably close to 8 minutes to think about that goal line drive from the 5 with the best RB in the league AND his first thought is, I have to make sure I get all 4 plays in? What!?

So what? The Patriots only needed to get in FG range, and they'd been destroying the gassed Seahawks defense the entire 4th quarter. Brady was on fire.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

They could have run on second down and then used the time out and then passed on third and then run or pass on fourth. There was absolutely nothing forcing Pete to throw on second down from the 1. And nothing forcing him to throw a slant over the middle with Browner telegraphing the play to Butler before the snap.

The only thing is it would be much safer to keep that final timeout if you can. Hoyer taking a sack before halftime in our game at kc in 2020 and the chiefs also had the clock run out on them in the 2021 afcc before half on the gl are a couple examples that come to mind. Its a bit of a risk running another play without a timeout if you don’t get in on 2nd down, even if its a pass. Not saying that it was the correct thing to do, but I totally get why youd think of passing there and having 3rd down with a timeout in your back pocket.

 

[TommyD4207]

The only thing is it would be much safer to keep that final timeout if you can. Hoyer taking a sack before halftime in our game at kc in 2020 and the chiefs also had the clock run out on them in the 2021 afcc before half on the gl are a couple examples that come to mind. Its a bit of a risk running another play without a timeout if you don’t get in on 2nd down, even if its a pass. Not saying that it was the correct thing to do, but I totally get why youd think of passing there and having 3rd down with a timeout in your back pocket.

Because, what if there's a bad snap on third down? Then you have no timeouts and the clock's running. You have to throw once in that series, and 2nd down is the best time to do it.

 

[Joker]

could care less what Pete the Cleaner has to say about anything...I sat through three seasons of his moronic "cleaning things up" ****fest....time and money I'll never get back

 

[SammyBlueCat]

I was extremely relieved...

 

[patfanken]

I NEVER Thought it was a bad call to pass the ball on 2nd down. There are a number of reasons, but the one that never gets mentioned much, IIRC, was Seattle was horrible on the GL inside the 3. Something like one for 8. The Pats sent their GL defense which had been VERY good, so it made sense to take one shot.

You NEVER think a play like that will be picked. Sure it might be broken up, but the chance of a pick on a play like that is like 5%....or less. You run the same play 100 times and Butler won't pick off 3 passes even knowing it's coming. Do you see the collision between him and the receiver in the clip on pg 2 He knocks a much bigger receiver back 2 yards, and yet the ball somehow sticks to his body even after that violent hit.

I have always thought Pete took way too much heat for that call (if it was his call and not the OC's). If they had run the ball and Lynch had fumbled or lost 2 yds, then he would had taken grief for running it into an unfavorable defense. when THAT was the down to run the ball

 

[Pape]

We only subbed in the 3 corners AFTER Pete took out his 12 personnel and ran on his 11 personnel. If you watch Do Your Job, Bill's notes the confusion on the Seattle sideline after they ran off the 12 personnel and then ran on the 11. That's when we ran our corners run out (remember, Flores yelling "Malcom go!") . There is no way we start second down with 3 corners on the field from the 1 yard line and let Lynch dance into the end zone.

They could have run on second down and then used the time out and then passed on third and then run or pass on fourth. There was absolutely nothing forcing Pete to throw on second down from the 1. And nothing forcing him to throw a slant over the middle with Browner telegraphing the play to Butler before the snap.

It can actually be both and IS both IMO. It was a heck of a play by Butler to actually intercept it but a horrific play call too. There was no reason for Pete to be thinking of using all 4 downs there. The objective is to score. I mean he had the best defense, best secondary in the league to protect a 3 point lead with 30 seconds or less to go. And then on top, he calls a slant instead of a fade when his tall receivers were schooling out shorter DBs all night.

All of that is conjecture. They were all ready moving the third receiver onto the field. Pete points out we were in goal line, which is what they wanted when putting the third wr on the field. You literally see Wilson telling a player he's out because of the sub.

We did not know what they were doing until Boyer saw the third wr - which is the point of the do your job segment and why Malcolm got the late call to sub in. That's when they lost their mismatch.

They did not know we had the 3cb version of that defense - how could they? We had never used it in a game.

They planned the pass because it made better use of the clock and the remaining time. The pass at the goal line is something that they ran - they ran it successfully , so it was something Ernie picked up on and diagramed so we could practice defending it.

With the defense set it still took Brandon Browner to recognize the play call. He recognized the play because he was part of Seattles famed secondary for years. If he wasn't there, chances are that play scores. It was a solid play call that got beat be superior defensive play, from the coaches up top to the players on the field.

People don't seem to understand this, and quite frankly I am amazed at how willing people are to go along with the notion that it was just a bad play call. It was an amazing defensive effort that won that game.

And it was Pete's thought to score and leave no time on the clock... He didn't want to leave Brady with 30 or 40 seconds to move the ball into fg range considering how beat up his secondary was that night.

Edit - I just want to add 2 out of 3 of the Seattle tds that game were from passing plays. Their red zone offense was prone to passing in the shadow of the end zone. It's how they ran their offense. So it shouldn't be a surprise that they'd be passing the ball in that spot because that's what they did.

 

[Steve102]

Except she's wrong...the issue is two fold... They ran first down, second down started much later, snapping the ball with only 5 seconds on the play clock... and after the int, there were 21 seconds left, not 45

Whether it was them just being slow to drag the clock out or indecision based on us making our defensive subs (3 corners, a look we never ran all year on the goal line) time was dwindling.

Incomplete pass stops the clock, allows them to save the time out if the run gets stuffed on 3rd down... They get two running plays, but it's gotta be 3rd and 4th down

Don't fall into the trap thinking it was the worst call ever... It was our defense being prepared that made it a great play... Not a "terrible worst call ever" play call... That's just lazy football talking head speak

Watch this, do your job, refresh your memories

You are correct, but the analysis is valid:

1st and goal on the 5, ball is snapped at 1:06. Pete plays chicken with Belichick, let's the clock run down to 26/25 seconds before snapping the ball. With Bill being cool and knowing they are prepared, he doesn't call the time out and we know the result. If Carroll had them hustle up to the line, he could have run the ball on second, got stuffed, thrown it on 3rd and then run anything on 4th. It wasn't the worst call per se, but certainly mismanaged by the Seahawks and Pete. When the Pats made the defensive subs, the move should have been an audible by Wilson, saving the time out. At the least, he could call time out with 18-20 seconds left after second down. If Wilson recognized the package on 2nd down, doesn't like the look, he can burn the time out there, and then deal with the fallout. A lot to ask a guy at that point in his career, to be sure. Regardless, the Pats were the better prepared team and it showed in the final result.

 

[1960Pats]

This is what I assumed was the thought process anyway. They would rather have 4 shots at the TD with one of the first three being a pass, than only get 3 shots but all of them are Lynch. After running on first, you knew one of the next two plays had to be a pass for that to happen. They thought the formation was favorable on 2nd down, and I think I remember reading that no pass from the 1 yard line in the entire NFL that year (for all 32 teams) had been intercepted. I think they figured the worst case scenario was an incomplete and then you know you're running on 3rd and 4th. Butler just made an incredible play that I still can't believe he hung on to.

That play has forever transformed the term The Butler Did It into something totally different for me.

Didn't Pete just confirm what many of us here already knew, that it was about only having one timeout left and being forced to pass?

The fun thing is that they blew their second TO by celebrating the Kearse catch and that's why they only had one left. They also may have used the 1st TO on the same drive.

No matter what, nobody can assume that Lynch would have scored a TD either.

 

[ivanvamp]

Pete made mistakes in that final 1:05 for sure, but calling for a pass there wasn't one of them. We brought in our biggest possible DL group - 8 of them. There was NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH that Lynch picks up a full yard at the goal line against that. The fact that Lynch picked up 4 on 1st down had no bearing cause that was against a light formation. And we had already stoned them twice in the game on short yardage situations.

Why "NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH"? Teams score touchdowns against goal line defensive fronts all the time.

 

[1960Pats]

You are correct, but the analysis is valid:

1st and goal on the 5, ball is snapped at 1:06. Pete plays chicken with Belichick, let's the clock run down to 26/25 seconds before snapping the ball. With Bill being cool and knowing they are prepared, he doesn't call the time out and we know the result. If Carroll had them hustle up to the line, he could have run the ball on second, got stuffed, thrown it on 3rd and then run anything on 4th. It wasn't the worst call per se, but certainly mismanaged by the Seahawks and Pete. When the Pats made the defensive subs, the move should have been an audible by Wilson, saving the time out. At the least, he could call time out with 18-20 seconds left after second down. If Wilson recognized the package on 2nd down, doesn't like the look, he can burn the time out there, and then deal with the fallout. A lot to ask a guy at that point in his career, to be sure. Regardless, the Pats were the better prepared team and it showed in the final result.

There's a video around of coaches talking about their questions with Bill on their headsets while he was calmly saying something along the line of we've got this. They sure did.

 

[Steve102]

There's a video around of coaches talking about their questions with Bill on their headsets while he was calmly saying something along the line of we've got this. They sure did.

It's in Do You Job. It's a look behind the curtain at the Pats brilliance.

 

[Sicilian]

That play has forever transformed the term The Butler Did It into something totally different for me.

Didn't Pete just confirm what many of us here already knew, that it was about only having one timeout left and being forced to pass?

The fun thing is that they blew their second TO by celebrating the Kearse catch and that's why they only had one left. They also may have used the 1st TO on the same drive.

No matter what, nobody can assume that Lynch would have scored a TD either.

Yup, if there's something I 100% agree with criticizing Carroll on, it's his general time management at the end of that game. It's a tricky situation, because I think the catch caught everyone off guard, so they were scrambling a bit. He also probably didn't want to take the timeout immediately there because there would be too much time for Brady if they scored. But still, wasting time after the Kearse catch, then waiting again after the Lynch run kind of hamstrung their options. That's the kind of thing that BB has typically been very good at, which was an advantage for them there.