Where is Brandon Merriweather?

[carolinatony]

Why can't we draft a Rookie who can actually play in the first year? I can see a late rounder but 1st rounder should be playing and learning every week.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm checking milk cartons at Shaws for Meriweather and Chad Jackson.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why can't we draft a Rookie who can actually play in the first year? I can see a late rounder but 1st rounder should be playing and learning every week.

Yeah, why can't we draft a rookie who is an EINSTEIN and can handle the full pressure of learning one of the most complicated defenses in the league in a few short months..

How long did it take Bruschi to become the ILB that he did?

How about McGinest?

BB clearly prefers to NOT put major pressure on rookies, regardless of where they were drafted.

OH, BTW, Meriweather is playing and learning every week. He's on special teams, both in kick coverage and punt coverage.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Yeah, why can't we draft a rookie who is an EINSTEIN and can handle the full pressure of learning one of the most complicated defenses in the league in a few short months..

How long did it take Bruschi to become the ILB that he did?

How about McGinest?

BB clearly prefers to NOT put major pressure on rookies, regardless of where they were drafted.

OH, BTW, Meriweather is playing and learning every week. He's on special teams, both in kick coverage and punt coverage.

Oh puhleaze. So you are telling me there is no rookie that can ever come in and play on this defense right away? LOL! Funny, but I remember Richard Seymour starting on this defense as a rookie. The facts are that our last 2 drafts have been suspect at best. Maroney and Jackson last year and Meriweather this year. Sorry, but you don't draft 1st and 2nd rd players to play special teams. You pick them to play. Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson, Marquisse Hill. Our 2nd rd draft busts are getting out of hand.

 

[ALP]

dont forget, even Baker came into the game for a while, instead of meriwhether...

i dont think the staff wants to play him no matter wut...

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Vince Wilfork is another guy that came in and started his rookie year. Stop making excuses for these draft picks. It's their job to learn the friggen schemes and get on the field. That's why we draft them #1 and pay them!! Good lord.

 

[fillylabinga]

It's definitely early to call anyone a bust, but can we agree that Meriweather is behind on the learning curve?

I'm pretty sure all the other 1st round safeties drafted last year are starting for their respective teams.

And I don't buy that BB doesn't play rookies. Among Pats draft picks all the current DLs played a bunch as rookies. Wilson was a starter. Asante was the 3rd CB and was playing way more his rookie year and he was a 4th round pick.

Meriweather is a 1st round pick. We're 11 games into the season and retreads like Baker and guys like Jackson who were on PUP 2 weeks ago are ahead of him on the depth chart. I'd consider that a clear vote of no confidence from coach.

I'm not saying we write him off, but he's definitely not meeting my expectations and it sure feels like he's not meeting BB's either.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

It's definitely early to call anyone a bust, but can we agree that Meriweather is behind on the learning curve?

I'm pretty sure all the other 1st round safeties drafted last year are starting for their respective teams.

And I don't buy that BB doesn't play rookies. Among Pats draft picks all the current DLs played a bunch as rookies. Wilson was a starter. Asante was the 3rd CB and was playing way more his rookie year and he was a 4th round pick.

Meriweather is a 1st round pick. We're 11 games into the season and retreads like Baker and guys like Jackson who were on PUP 2 weeks ago are ahead of him on the depth chart. I'd consider that a clear vote of no confidence from coach.

I'm not saying we write him off, but he's definitely not meeting my expectations and it sure feels like he's not meeting BB's either.

Exactly, forget about Wilson. He started too. Facts are facts. If you are good enough, you play. End of story. Meriweather is definitely behind the curve. Let's hope he doesn't turn into another Maroney, Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, and Marquisse Hill. Our list of 1st and 2nd rd draft busts are growing.

 

[BHSL2]

The facts are that some of you guys know nothing about pro sports. Every rookie is different regardless of the round in which they were picked. The difference between high picks and low ones is talent. Brains and the time it takes to learn the system is a whole other factor in a rooky's sucess. Some players blossom quicker than others because some people learn faster than others. It's a fact. So why don't some of you show some freakin patience with our rookies.

 

[DaBruinz]

Oh puhleaze. So you are telling me there is no rookie that can ever come in and play on this defense right away? LOL! Funny, but I remember Richard Seymour starting on this defense as a rookie. The facts are that our last 2 drafts have been suspect at best. Maroney and Jackson last year and Meriweather this year. Sorry, but you don't draft 1st and 2nd rd players to play special teams. You pick them to play. Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson, Marquisse Hill. Our 2nd rd draft busts are getting out of hand.

Richard Seymour did not come in and start playing the Pats 3-4 defense right away. He couldn't have because the Pats weren't using the 3-4 in Seymour's rookie year.

The fact is, idiot, that you can't judge a draft for 3-4 years after its happened. Morons like yourself would have everyone believe that you should know after 6 games. You're probably one of the morons who was whining about Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork and Ben Watson being busts.

Actually, you do draft 1st and 2nd round players to play special teams when you have depth like the Patriots do. That way they earn their reps and don't have pressure to perform beyond what the coaches are giving them.

BTW, thank you for proving that your an imbecile with your claims that Jackson is a bust.

 

[DarrylS]

Saw him on special teams a couple of times last night, need some patience the transition is big to the NFL.. wait until next year before we start judging him.

 

[DaBruinz]

Exactly, forget about Wilson. He started too. Facts are facts. If you are good enough, you play. End of story. Meriweather is definitely behind the curve. Let's hope he doesn't turn into another Maroney, Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, and Marquisse Hill. Our list of 1st and 2nd rd draft busts are growing.

Well, no, Wilson didn't start. You seem to forget that Wilson didn't play until the 2nd game of the season. And that was only out of shear desperation since the Pats had let Milloy..

How is Meriweather behind the curve moron? Because you say so? Damn you are an imbecile. Meriweather has been getting reps throughout. To say he's behind the curve shows you haven't been following the team at all.

 

[DaBruinz]

Vince Wilfork is another guy that came in and started his rookie year. Stop making excuses for these draft picks. It's their job to learn the friggen schemes and get on the field. That's why we draft them #1 and pay them!! Good lord.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Wilfork did NOT start his rookie year. He was behind Keith Traylor. Yes, he alternated with Traylor, but Vince was not the primary starter.

 

[carolinatony]

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Oh puhleaze. So you are telling me there is no rookie that can ever come in
and play on this defense right away? LOL! Funny, but I remember
Richard Seymour starting on this defense as a rookie.
The facts are that our last 2 drafts have been suspect at best.
Maroney and Jackson last year and Meriweather this year. Sorry,
but you don't draft 1st and 2nd rd players to play special teams.
You pick them to play. Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson, Marquisse Hill.
Our 2nd rd draft busts are getting out of hand.

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Vince Wilfork is another guy that came in and started his rookie year.
Stop making excuses for these draft picks. It's their job to learn the friggen
schemes and get on the field. That's why we draft them #1 and pay them!!


Thank you guys. This is what I meant to say about our rookies but didn't want to bush them. I see Other rookies playing, why not for us?

 

[RussFrancis]

Ive got legitimate questions at this point about why Merriweather doesnt get any action. Special teams aside, could he have been more exposed than some of the other guys out there getting burnt? No. I dont know if its a personal situation with BB, a lack of fully understanding the D, switching positions, or a lack of trust in the kid because he's young and last night was a close game. Dont know. Dont care. All I know is the kid's a 1st rounder who showed good enough skills to be drafted. Why no action? Hopefully this game and this exposure of our secondary will inch him closer to getting in there and atleast getting his feet wet. Im getting over not seeing him at all.

Good thread topic, NSA.

 

[DaBruinz]

It's definitely early to call anyone a bust, but can we agree that Meriweather is behind on the learning curve?

I'm pretty sure all the other 1st round safeties drafted last year are starting for their respective teams.

Well, lets take a look.

LaRon Landry - Redskins - had a gaping hole next to Taylor going into the season
Michael Griffin - Titans - has been playing CORNER
Reggie Nelson - Jaguars - had a gaping hole after letting Donovan Darius go.

Do you know what the Pats have that those 3 teams don't? James Sanders, Eugene Wilson and Rodney Harrison. So, tell me who Meriweather should be starting over?

And I don't buy that BB doesn't play rookies. Among Pats draft picks all the current DLs played a bunch as rookies. Wilson was a starter. Asante was the 3rd CB and was playing way more his rookie year and he was a 4th round pick.

Actually, this is false. Wilson became the starter by default. Not because he earned it. And, remember, Wilson was drafted as a cornerback and not a free safety.

Asante was actually the 4th corner, not the 3rd. He moved up only because Ty Poole went down.

Seymour started because the Pats were rebuilding and he had the talent to come in and start immediately.

Ty Warren did not start immediately at DE.. He was getting reps at DE and NT, but he was behind Bobby Hamilton. I can remember PLENTY of people complaining that Warren was a bust because he wasn't starting. And they were ALL WRONG.

Meriweather is a 1st round pick. We're 11 games into the season and retreads like Baker and guys like Jackson who were on PUP 2 weeks ago are ahead of him on the depth chart. I'd consider that a clear vote of no confidence from coach.

I'm not saying we write him off, but he's definitely not meeting my expectations and it sure feels like he's not meeting BB's either.

Maybe your expectations are the issue.

Baker has been with the team for 2 years and has regularly been a performer on special teams and stepped up in situations. Did you ever stop to think that BB put Baker out there as a vote of confidence in Baker? And just because BB shows confidence in one player doesn't mean its a lack of confidence in another.

 

[DaBruinz]

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Oh puhleaze. So you are telling me there is no rookie that can ever come in
and play on this defense right away? LOL! Funny, but I remember
Richard Seymour starting on this defense as a rookie.

Seymour didn't start on THIS DEFENSE his rookie year because the Pats were playing in a 4-3 his rookie year and Seymour was lining up at DT. Also, his rookie year, the Pats had brought in some 20 free agents. That teams didn't have near the depth of talent that this one does.

The facts are that our last 2 drafts have been suspect at best.
Maroney and Jackson last year and Meriweather this year. Sorry,
but you don't draft 1st and 2nd rd players to play special teams.
You pick them to play. Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson, Marquisse Hill.
Our 2nd rd draft busts are getting out of hand.

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Vince Wilfork is another guy that came in and started his rookie year.
Stop making excuses for these draft picks. It's their job to learn the friggen
schemes and get on the field. That's why we draft them #1 and pay them!!


Thank you guys. This is what I meant to say about our rookies but didn't want to bush them. I see Other rookies playing, why not for us?

Our rookies ARE playing for us. People like yourself and NSA just have unrealistic expectations and don't understand that BB brings them along at the pace he sees fit. Not the pace that FANS think is correct.

Meriweather is a regular on special teams and has been in on some dime situations this year and has gotten playing time late in games as well.

 

[pats1]

Seymour didn't start on THIS DEFENSE his rookie year because the Pats were playing in a 4-3 his rookie year and Seymour was lining up at DT. Also, his rookie year, the Pats had brought in some 20 free agents. That teams didn't have near the depth of talent that this one does.

Damn straight. Jace Sayler started at NT.

 

[shmessy]

Yeah, why can't we draft a rookie who is an EINSTEIN and can handle the full pressure of learning one of the most complicated defenses in the league in a few short months..

How long did it take Bruschi to become the ILB that he did?

How about McGinest?

BB clearly prefers to NOT put major pressure on rookies, regardless of where they were drafted.

Second round pick Eugene Wilson and undrafted free agent Randall Gay say "hi" from their rookie seasons.

 

[shmessy]

The facts are that some of you guys know nothing about pro sports. Every rookie is different regardless of the round in which they were picked. The difference between high picks and low ones is talent. Brains and the time it takes to learn the system is a whole other factor in a rooky's sucess. Some players blossom quicker than others because some people learn faster than others. It's a fact. So why don't some of you show some freakin patience with our rookies.

Perhaps it's because we might NEED this kid sooner rather than later because of a possible injury/depth situation emerging in the secondary?

This ain't Marquise Hill (RIP) not being able to crack the best DL (and best substitute 4th DE) in the NFL. This is a secondary that is hurting right now and could use the 1st Round Draft Pick to step up.