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Angst, not much else.

But then, do any of these threads "matter"?

I'm just awaiting the language of the NFL decree that makes it indisputeable that we lose our own pick, not the San Fran pick.

PFnV
 
is it possible? yes, he can do whatever he wants. unless Bob Kraft wants to take him to court to test it, the Commissioner's power is absolute, except as defined by the CBA and Network Contracts.

Is it likely? I don't think so. He wants to get this behind the league as fast as possible. He can't afford a darkening cloud over one of the handful of franchises that attracts viewers in droves and that is a model for building its value from the dregs to over a billion dollars.

And, never forget that it was Bob Kraft (along with Jerry Jones) who held the CBA together a couple of years ago and it is Bob Kraft who could scuttle it when the owners' "opt-out" option comes up after the 2008 season. I'm amazed that more isn't made of this when the Media-morons talk about the "unfairness" of the spygate punishment and Goodell's destruction of the tapes.
 
Maybe he'll instruct the officiating crews to make every questionable call go against the Pats...oh wait that's already happening. Never mind.

No, I don't think so. In fact it may be just the opposite.

The last game we play is on the NFLN. If we are still undefeated, it will become the next game of the century.

The problem is that only those who have NFLN, or who are in the teams' local markets will see it (don't know about satellite TV). The rest of the country will be left out, and the outcry will be horrendous.

In the most recent owners meeting (Oct, Nov) they were
b i t c h ing about the cost of the NFLN, and the fact that the games that were on there (8) were worth more if sold to the networks, due to the reduced viewers, ad prices and revenue. The NFLN was in like 78 million homes until Comcast moved it to the sports tier and now they say its like 35 million. The 'poorer' owners were making noises to shut NFLN down, because they want more revenue.

The country is fascinated with the Pats, even if only to see us lose, or behave badly (in their eyes). I think the NFL would try to use the Pats and that national attention to try to force the cable companies to carry the NFLN, and Comcast to put it back in the Digital Basic package.

I can imagine people calling their cable companies, media outlets and even Washington if they can't see the game. Its a way to generate a lot of pressure in favor of the NFLN.
Remember the storm around spygate, and even Michael Vick, imagine that type of hysteria about not being able to see such a historic game ?

On top of that the FCC is doing something to make cable channels carry more stuff, because they have finally decided they are acting like a monopoly. It is still in discussion, and maybe has to have comment before they enact it, but this could force their hand. Of course I am sure they are only doing this public service action so they can give the cable companies something else they want.

But if the Pats are not undefeated then all this pressure goes away. Now if we screw up and lose, fine. But it is against the best interest of the NFL to screw us, and make us lose.

Also I believe that someone (probably on the Competition Committee) leaked that first tape. I think they gave it to Fox, because it would make Goodell look bad and guilty, and they were trying to force Goodell to do something he didn't want to do. Perhaps they wanted Goodell to whack the Pats more, or to say we were cheating which he never did. Making sure there is no meddling to make us lose would be a way for Goodell to get back at the perp (Polian?), and to exert his power within the NFL.

I know its popular to assume the worst of Goodell, but I don't see that its really all that warranted. I don't have a problem with what he did to us (we broke the rules and got caught), after all he could have suspended BB, and for multiple games. I do think how he did it was wrong, because it gave the media and our enemies a chance to build it up.

I also think that so many saw the Pats-Colts and thought it was unfairly officiated that he is more worried about tarnishing the NFL image than dumping on the Pats.
 
Angst, not much else.

But then, do any of these threads "matter"?

I'm just awaiting the language of the NFL decree that makes it indisputeable that we lose our own pick, not the San Fran pick.

PFnV

I believe Goodell addressed this specific topic, but I can't find a link.

In any case, though, taking the SF pick would be tantamount to saying, "We're out to screw the Pats."
 
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Is it possible for Goodell to say that he feels the Patriots weren't punished enough and take away our SF pick as well now that it looks so good? Or is it written in stone that he can't do such a thing? With how much of a prick he is, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pull a move like this.

How paranoid can you get? Why would you even think this?

Do you just sit around wondering what bad things can happen to the Patriots? C'mon man, just enjoy the ride.
 
Well, the harsh punishment he gave is enough ammunition for anyone and everyone to claim that we did something quite serious to deserve such punishment and that there is more than that meets the eye.

True. But, do you remember the feeding frenzy from that week? If Goodell had only fined us a couple Gs and taken away a 5th rnd pick or something, it wouldn't have satisfied the craving the public desired. Also, Goodell had to make an example out of us. So I don't think the harshness of the penalty really tells us much about the gravity of our transgression.
 
Is it possible for Goodell to say that he feels the Patriots weren't punished enough and take away our SF pick as well now that it looks so good? Or is it written in stone that he can't do such a thing? With how much of a prick he is, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pull a move like this.

If there is any possible way to feel more paranoid you found it.
 
Maybe I believe in conspiracy, but I think Goodell would want to avoid handing the Lombardi to Kraft and Belichick.

Guestionable calls in the playoffs, a few at first, and then more as the Pats proceed deeper to game 18 and 19.

We are already seeing this happen before the playoffs... but I do expect more BS calls along the way during the playoffs.
 
On top of that the FCC is doing something to make cable channels carry more stuff,
Cable channels carry plenty of stuff. That isn't the problem.

The problem is that the NFLN charges the cable companies a buck a viewer. The cable companies don't want to make every customer pay a buck a month extra (rates are already to high and they know it) and so puts NFLN in a bundle where the only people who pay for it are those who order it. NFLN wants all subscribers to pay a buck a month for it.

I don't think that is fair. I pay for the NFLN, and don't mind doing so, but I sure hate to see content suppliers dictating to the cable companies what they must carry in basic packages. Once the floodgates are open, all special content providers can force the cable companies to make THEIR programs available to all at a buck a viewer, and I don't want my basic rate to go up for the crochet channel and the pet channel and the Wiccan channel.

What I'm really afraid of is that Comcast is only putting up token resistance, because they realize they can pass the costs onto subscribers. They will be able to raise their rates to cover all the new programs foisted on them with the perfect excuse: "We fought it and lost. We are FORCED to buy 40 different cable shows at a buck a viewer a month, and naturally you have to pay for them. Sorry, it's the law. P.S. the reason that your will went up $50 bucks a month is that our overhead increases with all the extra shows. Standby as Austrailian Rules Football, Rugby, international darts, soccer, cricket and croquet are demanding we carry them also. Look for a $10 rate increase next month."

Stop the madness. My rates are high enough, thank you. I don't need the FCC requiring cable companies to buy programs and make all subscribers pay for them whether they want them or not. What's to stop HBO, Max, Starz, and every premium channel in the world from saying, "You made the cable companies put NFLN in the basic lineup, why not us?"

Stop the madness. You want a channel that most people don't want, YOU pay for it, not everyone else.
 
I believe Goodell addressed this specific topic, but I can't find a link.

In any case, though, taking the SF pick would be tantamount to saying, "We're out to screw the Pats."

If he has not specifically addressed it, here's my logic:

You can ask anybody other than us whether the punishment was harsh enough, and I would say the majority would still say no.

Add to that the allegations/indignation/digging in the dirt the moment we win another super bowl.

Now: You confiscate the San Fran pick. Who cries? Just the Pats fans, and not that terribly much, having just won yet another super bowl.

You confiscate the Pats' own pick. Who cries? Every whiny ***** fan of any other team in the NFL.

It's like jury nullification - it wouldn't be about the "justice" of the specific case, it would be attempting to equalize an in- equity (as opposed to an iniquity) through the judgment. Every other team would eat it up.

"Serves em right. That's not enough either. But we'll take it..."

Unless there's a statement out there about which pick, I'd say the buttholes still have the SF pick on the table.

PFnV
 
I believe Goodell addressed this specific topic, but I can't find a link.

In any case, though, taking the SF pick would be tantamount to saying, "We're out to screw the Pats."

In the pre-game before the Sunday Night game vs the Chargers, Bob Costas specifically asked the Goodell which pick the Pats would forfeit since it was likely the SF pick would be higher, and Goodell answered that it was the Pats' own pick.
 
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In the pre-game before the Sunday Night game vs the Chargers, Bob Costas specifically asked the Goodell which pick the Pats would forfeit since it was likely the SF pick would be higher, and Goodell answered that it was the Pats' own pick.

Please. Posting troublesome facts just ruins inane conspiracy threads.
 
Please. Posting troublesome facts just ruins inane conspiracy threads.

Sure. But we can't find a clip now. Coincidence? It's only a matter of time before the league denies the existence of the interview, and tells anybody who saw it that they were actually seeing swamp gas reflecting off venus or something.

PFnV
 
Mark my words. The Pats # 1 pick will be returned to them after the SB and before the draft.
 
Mark my words. The Pats # 1 pick will be returned to them after the SB and before the draft.
LOL, I hope you're right but I don't think there's a chance in hell :)
 
Mark my words. The Pats # 1 pick will be returned to them after the SB and before the draft.

This is my belief as well. I've been hoping that Kraft threatens to go all "Al Davis" on the league if they don't reduce the penalty, after the season is over of course. Saying that Goodell just wants it to go away is an understatement. The degree to which the punishment is an over-reaction would get him laughed at by any judge or arbiter. It makes him look like an Indonesian magistrate caning the Pats for grafitti.
 
Mark my words. The Pats # 1 pick will be returned to them after the SB and before the draft.

Since you appear to be serious, care to shed some light on how you arrived at this bold prediction? :)
 
Mark my words. The Pats # 1 pick will be returned to them after the SB and before the draft.

You didn't say this was your opinion or your hope - you say to "mark my words" and "pick will be returned...."

Please supply facts to support your statements.
 
Cable channels carry plenty of stuff. That isn't the problem.

I don't want religious, shopping or children's channels and I have to pay for them, so why is the NFLN any different ? With the Sports tier I am paying for College Football, Soccer, Nascar and other c r a p I don't want.

Your argument only works if all channels can be selected or rejected on a channel by channel basis by the subscriber, that is not allowed now.

I think both sides need to compromise, it isn't only one side.

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True. But, do you remember the feeding frenzy from that week? If Goodell had only fined us a couple Gs and taken away a 5th rnd pick or something, it wouldn't have satisfied the craving the public desired. Also, Goodell had to make an example out of us. So I don't think the harshness of the penalty really tells us much about the gravity of our transgression.

Yes, I do remember it very well. All the more reason for the comm to have considered sending the message: "stop it guys, this is not that big a deal for the uninformed media make a frenzy of it, thanks to some nice 'insight' by a few ignorant ex-NFL players acting as NFL experts in the media. But I will fine the Pats a late route pick for blatantly disregarding the memo sent LAST year."

Taking your suggestion that the comm was making an example out of us and hit us with an extremely harsh penalty compared to the transgression, I think that it just stoked the fires a lot more and cemented the opinion in the football world that we cheated.

Think about Hobbs' reaction immediately after this broke out. If a starting player in our own team thinks that this was not good and hoped we didn't do something like that (I am paraphrasing), then it shows the extent to which the entire issue is muddled.

During times of confusion and inaccurate information, authorities should step in both in words and deeds. Unfortunately, the comm only acted and didn't explain leading everyone to conclude whatever they wanted to.

Most of the Pats fans stuck to the unfair-heavy-fine-for-minor-rule-breaking theory and most of others decided that no-smoke-without-fire theory holds and that the cheaters got away lightly.

Enough said. On with the Bills. Go PATS!!
 
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