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OK, we all know that he has no current head coaches in that coaching tree in the NFL -- though of course someone might mention that Mike Vrabel learned a lot from him as did probably the greatest college football coach of all time, Nick Saban.
Belichick is getting ripped in the media for not producing HCs in his tree after the firing of both Flores and Judge.
What strikes me as telling in the national discussion about Bill's failed tree is that he's compared to the supposed best coaching tree of all, Andy Reid's.
I took a look at Andy Reid's tree this morning and, well, I saw a bunch of fired coaches.
But let's break it down:
1. John Harbaugh: yes, Reid gets big credit for this one. Harbaugh was his special teams coach for 7 years at the Eagles. Oddly though, Harbaugh was actually with the Eagles prior to Reid's hiring. That doesn't take anything away from Reid as Harbaugh was with him for many years. Harbaugh was Reid's Joe Judge, except Harbaugh has proven to be a very good--if incredibly whiny and excuse-making--coach.
2. Sean McDermott: he's in his 4th year and has done very very well in a very difficult place to coach. Maybe you can compare him to Bill O'Brien but McDermott is showing signs of becoming much more successful than O'Brien. McDermott was a position coach for 4 years under Reid until he left to become the Carolina DC in 2011. So I do give Reid credit for the beginnings of McDermott's career, but it's not like the meat of McDermott's career occurred under Reid. It didn't. One wonders what would happen if, for instance, Brian Daboll got a HC job. Does Bill Belichick get credit for that? Why would he? Daboll did not depart New England on good terms. Do you give McDermott credit if Daboll lands a job? McDermott doesn't even like Daboll. He has the same problems with him that Belichick did. (I would consider Mike Vrabel much more of a Belichick guy than Brian Daboll).
3. Ron Rivera: in terms of longevity he's like O'Brien. He did have Cam Newton in a Super Bowl though. A lot of losing years and .500 records other than that. If he's fired in the next year or so, he'd be a little like O'Brien, maybe better.
4-10. The next 7 guys in the Andy Reid rankings were all fired in their first 2-4 years as head coaches. So--they were very much like Belichick's disciples.
Any way--it seems to come down to Reid having Harbaugh, Rivera and McDermott, while Belichick has Saban and Vrabel.
Belichick is getting ripped in the media for not producing HCs in his tree after the firing of both Flores and Judge.
What strikes me as telling in the national discussion about Bill's failed tree is that he's compared to the supposed best coaching tree of all, Andy Reid's.
I took a look at Andy Reid's tree this morning and, well, I saw a bunch of fired coaches.
But let's break it down:
1. John Harbaugh: yes, Reid gets big credit for this one. Harbaugh was his special teams coach for 7 years at the Eagles. Oddly though, Harbaugh was actually with the Eagles prior to Reid's hiring. That doesn't take anything away from Reid as Harbaugh was with him for many years. Harbaugh was Reid's Joe Judge, except Harbaugh has proven to be a very good--if incredibly whiny and excuse-making--coach.
2. Sean McDermott: he's in his 4th year and has done very very well in a very difficult place to coach. Maybe you can compare him to Bill O'Brien but McDermott is showing signs of becoming much more successful than O'Brien. McDermott was a position coach for 4 years under Reid until he left to become the Carolina DC in 2011. So I do give Reid credit for the beginnings of McDermott's career, but it's not like the meat of McDermott's career occurred under Reid. It didn't. One wonders what would happen if, for instance, Brian Daboll got a HC job. Does Bill Belichick get credit for that? Why would he? Daboll did not depart New England on good terms. Do you give McDermott credit if Daboll lands a job? McDermott doesn't even like Daboll. He has the same problems with him that Belichick did. (I would consider Mike Vrabel much more of a Belichick guy than Brian Daboll).
3. Ron Rivera: in terms of longevity he's like O'Brien. He did have Cam Newton in a Super Bowl though. A lot of losing years and .500 records other than that. If he's fired in the next year or so, he'd be a little like O'Brien, maybe better.
4-10. The next 7 guys in the Andy Reid rankings were all fired in their first 2-4 years as head coaches. So--they were very much like Belichick's disciples.
Any way--it seems to come down to Reid having Harbaugh, Rivera and McDermott, while Belichick has Saban and Vrabel.
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