Polian & Dungy Whining To The League Again

[Oswlek]

Pat's fan complaining about whining? Oh, the irony. I'll remember that next time you guys whine about Manning being on TV, or how the Pats only lose because they are always so injured or how Brady never had anyone to throw to and Manning has always had great receivers or any of the million other things you guys whine constantly about.

The most ironic thing is you are whining yourselves (yet again) about Dungy and how he's perceived. As usual with Pats fans, it's ok for you to do it, but it's "whining" when someone else does it. The reason Dungy is respected is because he's a good humble guy. No one who ever worked with him has anything but praise for the guy. Your coach on the other hand seems to have the opposite effect on people. Your coach is an arrogant ass, he wins, which is good for the Pats, but you're crazy if you don't get why no one outside of NE likes the guy.

And the Pat's have done some dirty stuff that the Colts "whined" about. The Colts receivers were absolutely mugged by the Pats in 2004. The league changed the rules because of it. Re-watch that game, it was ridiculous. You guys got away with it, so good for you, but the Colts lodged a complaint and they were right. It's like the complaint the Raiders lodged after they got screwed in the Tuck Rule game. That was a BS call, so they complained and rightfully so. That's not whining.

And you guys have such a boner for the Polian and Dungy that you get upset over a little something like this? Ha. Pretty funny. Obsess much?

It's just been burning you up for the past couple of years that the Colts have owned you, hasn't it? The Colts have definitely gotten inside you Pats fan's heads. Can't wait for Nov 4 for the Colts to shut you whiners up again.

Most of this is complete nonsense.

Are you saying that if BB was complaining about NE's schedule that it wouldn't be the longest thread on Indystar?

Are you saying that Oak formally lodged a complaint after the 2001 divisional game and were sided with by the league?

Are you saying that the Colts were behaving like altarboys in the 2003 AFCCG and not holding on the OL like mad and getting away with plenty of IC themselves?

Why should we be afraid to discuss NE's main rival? Is it obsession when Pat threads show up on Indystar? Isn't that even worse considering you guys are supposedly the dominant team and NE is just a pest?

 

[He Ban Me]

It's on your sig. man. You brought it up.

BTW, his momentum was up, not away from the EZ. It was the shove that provided the momentum out of bounds. It was not very questionable at all that he would have come down in bounds had he not been shoved.

Sorry, it is just the way it is. You can point to that play to try at make it seem as if that game was fairly officiated, but it absolutely wasn't. Just enjoy your victory and move on. You don't see me putting anything in my sig to justify why NE was able to hold in the secondary in 2003 do you?

Edit to say: You are still missing the point with your post. Unless a ref can say with near certainty that the WR would *not* come down in bounds, it is a force out. Even in your skewed vantage point, you admit that there is still a good chance of Gafney coming down in bounds, ergo, pushout.

Little chance he comes down in bounds. The ref cannot say with any certainy what so ever that he would have, it was a generous call under those circumstances. yeah, it's in my sig, but if you don't like it, ignore it. Brining it up in an unrelated thread is pointless.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

Pat's fan complaining about whining? Oh, the irony. I'll remember that next time you guys whine about Manning being on TV, or how the Pats only lose because they are always so injured or how Brady never had anyone to throw to and Manning has always had great receivers or any of the million other things you guys whine constantly about.

The most ironic thing is you are whining yourselves (yet again) about Dungy and how he's perceived. As usual with Pats fans, it's ok for you to do it, but it's "whining" when someone else does it. The reason Dungy is respected is because he's a good humble guy. No one who ever worked with him has anything but praise for the guy. Your coach on the other hand seems to have the opposite effect on people. Your coach is an arrogant ass, he wins, which is good for the Pats, but you're crazy if you don't get why no one outside of NE likes the guy.

And the Pat's have done some dirty stuff that the Colts "whined" about. The Colts receivers were absolutely mugged by the Pats in 2004. The league changed the rules because of it. Re-watch that game, it was ridiculous. You guys got away with it, so good for you, but the Colts lodged a complaint and they were right. It's like the complaint the Raiders lodged after they got screwed in the Tuck Rule game. That was a BS call, so they complained and rightfully so. That's not whining.

And you guys have such a boner for the Polian and Dungy that you get upset over a little something like this? Ha. Pretty funny. Obsess much?

It's just been burning you up for the past couple of years that the Colts have owned you, hasn't it? The Colts have definitely gotten inside you Pats fan's heads. Can't wait for Nov 4 for the Colts to shut you whiners up again.

Who gives a sh*t if fans whine? Not me. It's to be expected. comparing whiney fans like me to your whiney GM is classic apples and oranges.

IF naPolian had taken the issue up with the league after the game instead of crying in all the papers etc. I'd have no issues either. I'd expect my coach to stand up and say they were outplayed, outcoached, outclassed, whatever... and then take care of business with the league in private if the problems were eggregious enough to warrant that. Say what you want about BB but he always credits the other team and takes the blame for the loss. Was he happy last January with the outcome? Obviously not. Was he probably thinking that the Colts got back int the game because our defense was decimated and having to go with second stringers because of illness and injury in the most important game of the year? Probably. Hell, he might have even been thinking about complaining to the league about the piped in crowd noise and the A/C being turned down. But what did he SAY? "The Colts made more plays than we did. They deserved to win. They played better." Polian habitually looks for excuses instead of "manning up" (no pun intended) and taking responsibility. You tell me which approach is more classy?

 

[Tommysgirl]

Pat's fan complaining about whining? Oh, the irony. I'll remember that next time you guys whine about Manning being on TV, or how the Pats only lose because they are always so injured or how Brady never had anyone to throw to and Manning has always had great receivers or any of the million other things you guys whine constantly about.

The most ironic thing is you are whining yourselves (yet again) about Dungy and how he's perceived. As usual with Pats fans, it's ok for you to do it, but it's "whining" when someone else does it. The reason Dungy is respected is because he's a good humble guy. No one who ever worked with him has anything but praise for the guy. Your coach on the other hand seems to have the opposite effect on people. Your coach is an arrogant ass, he wins, which is good for the Pats, but you're crazy if you don't get why no one outside of NE likes the guy.

And the Pat's have done some dirty stuff that the Colts "whined" about. The Colts receivers were absolutely mugged by the Pats in 2004. The league changed the rules because of it. Re-watch that game, it was ridiculous. You guys got away with it, so good for you, but the Colts lodged a complaint and they were right. It's like the complaint the Raiders lodged after they got screwed in the Tuck Rule game. That was a BS call, so they complained and rightfully so. That's not whining.

And you guys have such a boner for the Polian and Dungy that you get upset over a little something like this? Ha. Pretty funny. Obsess much?

It's just been burning you up for the past couple of years that the Colts have owned you, hasn't it? The Colts have definitely gotten inside you Pats fan's heads. Can't wait for Nov 4 for the Colts to shut you whiners up again.

You're failing to see the point, my friend. If a bunch of people who are fans want to complain or debate, it is completely seperate from those two idiots constantly whining. All they do is complain, they saw the schedule at the beginning of the year, why no mention it then. Why not mention the other teams with the same problem.
Dungy complained after your first game about the lack of holding calls? Are you kidding me? How much did you win that game by? Just shut up dude, seriuosly, shut up.
Find me just one quote from Belly, Kraft, or more importantly, Tom complaining like these fools. The league admitted they flubbed calls in that fateful January game and none of them said a word. If that happened in Indy the letter would be framed and all the disciples would kneel down and pray to it.

 

[PatsSteve1]

HBM because you are a Colts homer I can see why you are defending this but what good does it do for Polian and Dungy to coplain to the league about the schedule they were given?

I wonder how much complaining they'd be doing if the Patriots were 2 -5 instead of 7-0. It's pathetic to complain about the schedule. Maybe Dungy and Polian will head up the complaints next year when the Patriots have 4 games on the West Coast at San Diego, San Francisco, Oakland and Seattle.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

Pat's fan complaining about whining? Oh, the irony. I'll remember that next time you guys whine about Manning being on TV, or how the Pats only lose because they are always so injured or how Brady never had anyone to throw to and Manning has always had great receivers or any of the million other things you guys whine constantly about.

The most ironic thing is you are whining yourselves (yet again) about Dungy and how he's perceived. As usual with Pats fans, it's ok for you to do it, but it's "whining" when someone else does it. The reason Dungy is respected is because he's a good humble guy. No one who ever worked with him has anything but praise for the guy. Your coach on the other hand seems to have the opposite effect on people. Your coach is an arrogant ass, he wins, which is good for the Pats, but you're crazy if you don't get why no one outside of NE likes the guy.

And the Pat's have done some dirty stuff that the Colts "whined" about. The Colts receivers were absolutely mugged by the Pats in 2004. The league changed the rules because of it. Re-watch that game, it was ridiculous. You guys got away with it, so good for you, but the Colts lodged a complaint and they were right. It's like the complaint the Raiders lodged after they got screwed in the Tuck Rule game. That was a BS call, so they complained and rightfully so. That's not whining.

And you guys have such a boner for the Polian and Dungy that you get upset over a little something like this? Ha. Pretty funny. Obsess much?

It's just been burning you up for the past couple of years that the Colts have owned you, hasn't it? The Colts have definitely gotten inside you Pats fan's heads. Can't wait for Nov 4 for the Colts to shut you whiners up again.

Tell me, does a good humble guy stand up on the podium with the Lombardi in his hand and say (I'm paraphrasing from memory here), Lovie Smith and I were the first two Christian coaches in the Superbowl. It shows that it is not necessary to use profanity and yell at or degrade players (wonder who he is referring to here?) in order to win. We won this thing the Lord's way?

And is it a good humble guy (Christian) or a hypocrite who takes a shot at a colleague when he's down and everyone else is piling on saying it is a black mark on the sport etc. and comparing BB to another famous BB of baseball steroid fame all the while knowing his own offensive line coach (Howard Mudd) is a world class cheater and one of the leagues foremost expert sign stealers?

 

[PatsSteve1]

Pat's fan complaining about whining? Oh, the irony.

How many times have you heard BB and/or Pioli whine about anything? Comparing GM/HC whining to fans whining doesn't work

 

[mgcolby]

Lord knows we've gotten beat by Brady a few times, but unlike most Pats fans who can't bring themselves to admit Manning is a great QB, I can admit Brady is great. I'd take Manning any day, but I'm from Indy, so that's to be expected.

I challenge you to pull up one example of a person on here stating that Manning is not a great QB!!

I have been around here awhile and I can't recall anyone ever stating Manning is not a great QB.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

All Dungy and Polian do is complain? Right. Dungy isn't a great coach at all is he? Polian hasn't made winners out of the Panthers, Colts and Bills has he? None of that happened. The guy has just built, what, six Super-Bowl teams? Nothing impressive about that right?

The truth is those guys also win quite a bit, including over your beloved Pats, which is why you guys are whining and crying about something as dumb as this. It's just dumb. It's such a non-issue. They filed a complaint to the league office, who gives a ****? Obviously Pats fans because you think about the Colts all day long.

You guys make a mountain out of it, you obsess over the Colts because despite you guys crowning yourselves the Kings of the NFL after beating some cupcakes you know in your heart of hearts the Colts have owned you for the past couple of years and you aren't Super Bowl champs anymore. You're not the best until you prove it. You haven't and these excuses you guys come up with for losing are funny as hell.

I mean, that one guy up there saying the Pats lost last year because of injuries and illness? Pumped in crowd noise? The AC turned up? What a joke. The AC turned up lol? Do they have some magic AC that only affects opposing teams? That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard. Even if they turned up the AC why would that cause you to lose? Was your team not in as good as shape as the Colts? And shut up about injuries, everyone has them. Lord, the Colts D last year was ate up for most of the year, so what? We still won.

The Pats got beat because Manning is one of the best QB's ever. No shame in that.

Lord knows we've gotten beat by Brady a few times, but unlike most Pats fans who can't bring themselves to admit Manning is a great QB, I can admit Brady is great. I'd take Manning any day, but I'm from Indy, so that's to be expected.

So when you can't answer the questions just create a straw man--blow some smoke--right? Nobody said Dungy wasn't a great coach and that Polian isn't a great talent evaluator and, yes, that Manning is one of the greatest ever (there I said it). At issue here is why your GM is choosing to come out now (less than ten days before the biggest game of the year) and start whining about how unfair the Colt's schedule is. Besides being whiney b*tches it appears that they know they're about to get their azzes handed to them and need an excuse to fall back on. As has been pointed out, cited chapter and verse for you, this is and has been their m.o.

 

[Poker]

I read this thread and was surprised to see it only contained referenced to Polian's whining about the schedule

In his most recent interview this week posted on Colts.com, here is an excerpt from it -- a q&a on Freeney in which you will see he references how Freeney gets held so much. Indy posters, this is the whining we are also talking about--he looks like a 2 year old having a temper tantum, and there is just about guaranteed to be something like this every week from him.


Q: Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney has 3.5 sacks this season, but he had two Monday and recorded his first NFL safety. He’s having a better year than his numbers indicate, isn’t he?

A: I don’t think he’s had as good a year as he has had since his rookie year, since people ‘discovered’ him. The two sacks he got on Monday Night were sacks he got when he was single-blocked. That was the only time he was single-blocked all night. The rest of the time they chipped him, they doubled him – they did everything they could to prevent him from getting sacks. I’m very surprised – and it’s to (quarterback) Quinn (Gray)’s great credit – that he didn’t fumble the ball in the end zone for a touchdown (on Freeney’s safety). That was a hard hit and Dwight’s a great guy for causing fumbles. It just didn’t come out at that point in time. Actually, I thought to myself, ‘Oh, boy. I’m a little upset that that we didn’t get a fumble recovery and a touchdown, because we’re hanging on for dear life in this ballgame. They can erupt at any time.’ We did a really good job staying with it for the rest of the game and we also did a good job scoring when we needed to and had the opportunities. Dwight has had a tremendous year. In the opener (against New Orleans), he was held seven times. They were takedowns, horse collars, tackles – you name it. He would have had numerous sacks in that ballgame had they not held him the whole time.

 

[ATippett56]

This is old news. Spoke of earlier in the week. But what you fail to see, is that there is nothing "similar" to last year. Coming home after a Monday Nighter, and staying home is a much different animal than going back out on the road again for a Sunday 1 O'Clocker.

Is your reading comprehension that poor? During the 2004 NFL season, the Patriots had to play a Monday night road game in Miami followed by a Sunday afternoon road game against the New York Jets.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule?team=NE&season=2004&seasonType=REG

The Patriot had to face the starting quarterback for the Jets not some third string 40+ year old quarterback as the Colts will this Sunday. Furthermore, the New York Jets were a superior opponent in 2004 than the offensively neutered Carolina Panthers of 2007.

 

[bradmahn]

All Dungy and Polian do is complain? Right. Dungy isn't a great coach at all is he? Polian hasn't made winners out of the Panthers, Colts and Bills has he? None of that happened. The guy has just built, what, six Super-Bowl teams? Nothing impressive about that right?

I've got the four Bills losers and the Colts from last year. Who was the sixth?

 

[skspikex2]

Lord, you are possibly the most bitter Pats fan I've ever heard and that's saying something.

When Dungy's talking about swearing and degrading players he could be talking about 99.99999% of all football coaches that have ever existed. My high school coaches were sure as hell like that. It's pretty revealing about how thinned skinned you are that you jump to the conclusion that he's talking about BB and take a guy talking about not swearing and being a decent person as a slam against the Pats. Hate to break it to you, but not everything everyone says is about the Pats.

You obviously hate the Colts and love the Pats but lord, where is this Dungy hating on a personal level coming from? I just heard an interview with Herm Edwards on the radio the other day and he had nothing but praise for Tony Dungy as a person and a coach. I've never heard anyone who has met or worked with the man have a bad word to say about him, so sorry, I'll have to take the words of people who actually know the man over a bitter Pats fan's rants about him insulting BB because he talked about not swearing. Damn, what is it with Pats fans that you think everything is all about you and take everything as a slight? What is it with your whole city having an inferiority complex?

I understand you disliking the Colts, but what is up with you guys making it personal with Dungy? Dungy is a nice guy and a great coach. Your guy by all account isn't so nice. I didn't make that stuff up. Why are you so down on a decent human being?

And sign stealing, everyone does it, the thing the Pats did was have someone filming the signs, even after they were told not to. If you are good enough to figure out what the other teams signs and signals are, that's not cheating anymore than a team using signals and signs being cheating.

If you are filming them however, so you can break it down, especially after the league has told you not to, that is cheating. Plain and simple. I've never said anything about it, because, who cares? I sure as hell don't. If that's what the Pats need to do to win, God Bless em, plus I'm sure lots of other teams do it.

And what Dungy said about that was it was a black mark against the NFL and the Pats, which, whether you can admit it or you like it or not, it is, just like what Bonds did was a blackmark for baseball. People wonder how much it affected the outcomes of games, you can get pissed about it but you can't blame them for it. What would have made you Pats fans happy? A "no comment"? Or should he have approved cheating? He said what he felt, and what a lot of other people felt. You guys got caught cheating. Deal with it, don't act like other people should be OK with it.

Dont be calling the lord name in vain.

 

[ColtinIraq]

You people are off the charts hypocritical. If a "complaint" is filed you can be sure the Pats fans will by crying. If this same thing happened to NE, the whinning would be world class. "See, they don't want us to go undefeated". "See, we can't cheat - they don't want us to go undefeated". Wahhhh, wahhhh, wahhhh. As one poster stated, let's play the game so we can extend our winning streak to 4 games against you. It's freaking amazing to listen to you guys.

 

[bradmahn]

Your guy by all account isn't so nice. I didn't make that stuff up. Why are you so down on a decent human being?

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And what Dungy said about that was it was a black mark against the NFL and the Pats, which, whether you can admit it or you like it or not, it is, just like what Bonds did was a blackmark for baseball. People wonder how much it affected the outcomes of games, you can get pissed about it but you can't blame them for it. What would have made you Pats fans happy? A "no comment"? Or should he have approved cheating? He said what he felt, and what a lot of other people felt. You guys got caught cheating. Deal with it, don't act like other people should be OK with it.

"By all accounts" is simply false statement, as there are plenty of people who have all sorts of praise for Bill Belichick, professionally and personally.

Personally, I don't like Dungy because of his need to pat himself on the back for his "good Christian ways." And, yes, I would prefer that he say "no comment." That is something Bill Belichick would do, and something his team would say. Maybe I'm just used to seeing a head coach giving his opponents the utmost respect, even when they are being criticized or punished by the league.

 

[bradmahn]

Sorry, you got me, I was wrong about that, the Panthers only got to the NFC title game. Good call.

It's cool, they probably put up an "NFC Championship Participant" banner, so I can see where you could make that mistake.

You people are off the charts hypocritical. If a "complaint" is filed you can be sure the Pats fans will by crying. If this same thing happened to NE, the whinning would be world class. "See, they don't want us to go undefeated". "See, we can't cheat - they don't want us to go undefeated". Wahhhh, wahhhh, wahhhh. As one poster stated, let's play the game so we can extend our winning streak to 4 games against you. It's freaking amazing to listen to you guys.

Have you read this thread? This has happened, and I don't recall any Patriots fans, or members of the organization, whining about the schedule. Beyond that part of your post, I need a little help with a translation.

 

[NEPat]

And what Dungy said about that was it was a black mark against the NFL and the Pats, which, whether you can admit it or you like it or not, it is, just like what Bonds did was a blackmark for baseball. People wonder how much it affected the outcomes of games, you can get pissed about it but you can't blame them for it. What would have made you Pats fans happy? A "no comment"?

Dungy took some shots at Kraft with his "I'm glad I work for an owner who doesn't require a win at all costs mentality" type comments. I like Dungy well enough, but that took me by surprise. Yes, Dungy can say whatever he likes in general terms about how sad he is about spygate and whatever, but he did take some low blows.

Or should he have approved cheating? He said what he felt, and what a lot of other people felt. You guys got caught cheating. Deal with it, don't act like other people should be OK with it.

There's a pretty big difference between appoving cheating and taking cheap shots. Plenty of other NFL people said they didn't like what NE did, and really only Dungy's comments I found annoying. And like I said, I don't think Dungy's a bad guy or anything, but I don't think he should have not gone as far as he did with the Kraft stuff.

As for the topic: Don't know how anyone can argue the Colts brass doesn't whine. Just like the fact that Belichick can be an a*****e isn't a secret, neither is the fact that the Colts can be whiners.

 

[ColtinIraq]

It's cool, they probably put up an "NFC Championship Participant" banner, so I can see where you could make that mistake.



Have you read this thread? This has happened, and I don't recall any Patriots fans, or members of the organization, whining about the schedule. Beyond that part of your post, I need a little help with a translation.

Can you find the threads from back then? I can guarantee it. Translation: You guys whine more than the Yankees.

 

[bradmahn]

Can you find the threads from back then? I can guarantee it. Translation: You guys whine more than the Yankees.

If you can guarantee it you find it. I wasn't on this board in '04, but as a resident of the metro-Boston area, I can say there were no reports of the Patriots organization whining to the league about it, and there were definately no comments made by Belichick beyond "It's a tough divisional road game."

 

[Fixit]

I understand you disliking the Colts, but what is up with you guys making it personal with Dungy? Dungy is a nice guy and a great coach. Your guy by all account isn't so nice. I didn't make that stuff up. Why are you so down on a decent human being?

Dungy's completely fake. I respect an out-and-out a-hole like Shanahan more than that. Yeah, Dungy's a great guy when he's not doing his "I don't want to throw stones, but..." routine, speaking out against gays (which may or may not have contributed to his son committing suicide), or writing books with such humble titles as "Quiet Strength." Also, his Indiana Family Institute does dumb s*** like trying to pass legislation that "would have required doctors who perform abortions to inform patients that the fetus might feel pain and that life begins at conception."

I couldn't stand him when he was with Tampa Bay.

Colts or not, football or not, f*** Tony Dungy.