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won the league MVP undisputed in 2007
2010 actually, was the first undisputed MVP, not 2007 somehow. It was still Brady.
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@JetFan79 - I am still very unsure of Jets fans online (even ones allowed here) after my treatment on Gang Green. I joined and did nothing but try to be friends with them, and was pretty much attacked and thrown out of the forum.. "Bullying may not be tolerated" didn't actually exist.
Oh, yes, at least partially due to Moss' 23 touchdown year. Thank you for the correction.2010 actually, was the first undisputed MVP, not 2007 somehow. It was still Brady.
Hard to say.... You need a good team.. argument could be made that Brady should have more than 4 or 5.. He has been so good for 17 years and likely more. Ben could have more. With a great team it's doable.
EDIT: Brady had 3 before he was 27. And he only got better. With those three in place he under achieved considering his greatness.
OT: Just listened to Abbey Road a week or two ago. It has to be the greatest album of all time. Even if you didn't agree, you're likely to have it in your top few.
I would guess within 50 years but if the game goes more towards running QBs then never cause they will never be healthy and effective long enough.
If Brady wins 5 I don't think that will be matched in my lifetime. Too much turnover and parity. And as all Pats fans can attest, getting to 5 isn't easy.
For those ready to move on when BB & TB do, I don't get it. Goodell and the other a holes are not going to ruin Patriots football for me. I've been watching since the 70's (albeit rarely back then due to blackouts) and I have no plans to stop in the future. I love the players we have but ultimately I root for the uniform and will continue to do so post Belichick/Brady era.
In fact, part of me is looking forward to how that's going to play out...
Yea im in it for the long haul, I hope Jimmy G sticks around, im ok with him being our next franchise QB
If Brady wins 5 I don't think that will be matched in my lifetime. Too much turnover and parity. And as all Pats fans can attest, getting to 5 isn't easy.
For those ready to move on when BB & TB do, I don't get it. Goodell and the other a holes are not going to ruin Patriots football for me. I've been watching since the 70's (albeit rarely back then due to blackouts) and I have no plans to stop in the future. I love the players we have but ultimately I root for the uniform and will continue to do so post Belichick/Brady era.
In fact, part of me is looking forward to how that's going to play out...
Me too. Its a real possibility he could be the next "Chosen One"
Yea I really wish he didn't hurt his shoulder, would been nice to see how he would of panned out playing those four games
What Tom Brady has accomplished SO FAR is greater than everything Jordan accomplished because being an NFL quarterback is much harder than being an NBA guardAnd just for reference I'm 37.
Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm just stating public opinion. My opinion doesn't matter.
If you polled all fans and experts, Brady isn't even the undisputed #1 QB. Let alone the best football player. Actually he'd probably rank an average of #3 QB. And he's obviously still playing, which always sways votes in a current player's favor.
Then add in the fact that football is easily the most "team" of any of the team sports, and a football player will most likely never compete with the top basketball or hockey players for greatest team athlete.
Heck, as of now, I'm pretty sure Belichick would get more votes as greatest coach of all time in any sport.
Realistically there's no way a team has the greatest coach and QB/player of all time while "only" winning 4 or 5 championships.
So your going to stop watching the patriots just like that? Life goes on after Brady and Belichick. I'm a die hard patriots fan until death
OT: Just listened to Abbey Road a week or two ago. It has to be the greatest album of all time. Even if you didn't agree, you're likely to have it in your top few.
I completely understand this is a Pats board, and posters will be Pat fanatics. Happens on all fan forums.
Even with that said, and allowing for extreme homerism, the words above should never be spoken or written again for as long as humans exist.
Perhaps if humans evolve to some superior species. Then maybe, just maybe, one of those super humans could be on Jordan's level.