Jacoby Brissett Appreciation Station

[zydecochris]

I don't know how in the world Jacoby ran a 4.94 40-yard dash, because he is way quicker than that. He must not have worked with a track coach or slight injury or something. This is a guy who was once recruited by North Carolina, Wisconsin and many others to play D1 basketball as a guard, a top 100 recruit:

This was really useful, thanks. I didn't realize he was such an overall athlete and such a good basketball player.

Regarding his 40-yard dash, he isn't a Cam Newton type speedster by any means, "a smart runner" is what comes to mind, he is pretty elusive weaving around and before you know it he has picked up a bunch of yards. However, you don't really see him pulling away from people in a footrace, I don't think is he super-fast but I agree he seems faster than 4.94, there must have been some problem with that timing.

 

[zydecochris]

I did not expect "precision" from this kid after a few months on the team and getting minimal time to build continuity with his receivers. But what we did get to see was his composer and his ability to make plays when things break down.

He had a couple of days to prepare, went out on a relatively big stage and played a solid game. I don't know what his upside is yet but I'm sure we'll see a lot more after being in the system for a few years. We'll see, I guess, but I like the guy.

@zydecochris posted an interesting post in which he states that he has been watching Jacoby since High School and that the way he plays QB has continued to improve year after year.

Football Outsiders' take on Garoppolo and Brissett

Thanks for the shout-out, Tony. Just so I don't appear to be falsifying my resume, I have watched several of Brissett''s games from 2014 to now and I found his improvement from year to year to be marked. However, I'm not someone that is familiar with the guy from years back when he was a kid, I am hoping we hear from other posters who have known him growing up. I think Palm Beach Pats Fan may be one of these posters, I think Brissett grew up and went to high school in his area (I think).

 

[RobertWeathers]

I said I didn't what other People saw, not that I didn't see anything.

No, as a running qb

I think you still need to qualify this.

 

[Tony2046]

Thanks for the shout-out, Tony. Just so I don't appear to be falsifying my resume, I have watched several of Brissett''s games from 2014 to now and I found his improvement from year to year to be marked. However, I'm not someone that is familiar with the guy from years back when he was a kid, I am hoping we hear from other posters who have known him growing up. I think Palm Beach Pats Fan may be one of these posters, I think Brissett grew up and went to high school in his area (I think).

OK. I must've mixed it up a bit.

 

[LT85]

I think you still need to qualify this.

You said qb's can have the ability to run with the ball while still being able make plays from the pocket. I agree.

What I was trying to say was, that JB showed more promise in his ability to take off on his own, than his ability to make plays from the pocket.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You said qb's can have the ability to run with the ball while still being able make plays from the pocket. I agree.

Actually I said being a pocket passer and being mobile. Let me clarify.

Running QB- Wilson, Cunningham( late 80s early 90s), RGIII, Kapernick
Mobile QBs- Elway, Steve Young (Wilson could be here too now)

What I was trying to say was, that JB showed more promise in his ability to take off on his own, than his ability to make plays from the pocket.

Based on one professional game, I agree completely with your statement that he is a running QB

Based on his career at NC State, he is a mobile QB.

 

[LT85]

Based on one professional game, I agree completely with your statement that he is a running QB

Based on his career at NC State, he is a mobile QB.

Fair enough. As a european I'm not that familiar with college football other than my 'scouting efforts' (Lol) leading up to the draft. I'll take your word for it

 

[RobertWeathers]

Fair enough. As a european I'm not that familiar with college football other than my 'scouting efforts' (Lol) leading up to the draft. I'll take your word for it

Thats cool. At NC State Brissett averaged 2.7 yp rush in 139 carries. He did have some decent runs but he for the most part took sacks and moved around on the run so he could make throws but was not an RGIII type who can take off and leave DBs in the dust.

 

[carmelo15]

Thats cool. At NC State Brissett averaged 2.7 yp rush in 139 carries. He did have some decent runs but he for the most part took sacks and moved around on the run so he could make throws but was not an RGIII type who can take off and leave DBs in the dust.

I believe in college if you get sacked that adds into rushing yards as a loss something like that. So ypc for a QB is not something I'd look at.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Regardless of whether Garroppolo gets traded, I trust Jacoby to help guide this team when Brady inevitably retires. Even if he remains a backup QB, he can still be a long-term asset to this team.

And when he gave the gameday ball to Belichick, after scoring his first NFL touchdown, I was convinced that Jacoby truly values being on this team, and wants to be mentored and coached.

He may not be THE heir-apparent to carry on Brady's excellence (though you never know), but fromm what we've seen so far, I'd say the coaches trust him to start games, lead this offense, and fufill a valuable role as Brady's potential backup.

I'm glad to have him on the team

 

[RobertWeathers]

I believe in college if you get sacked that adds into rushing yards as a loss something like that. So ypc for a QB is not something I'd look at.

I agree. I'm making the point that Brissett prefers to sit in the pocket as opposed to running around. Just based on watching a couple of NC State games (vs BC for one) but not a big sample for sure.

 

[Tunescribe]

- He only had 19 pass attempts (completing 11) mostly manageable throws
- He enjoyed good protection
- He often had good field position thanks to special teams
- The pats were in the lead all game, so he was never trailing

He played a mistake free game, and kudos for that. He definitely has some potential. I'm not denying that. But can you really say from last nights game that his ability to handle pressure is something special?

No, you can't. You've made this point in several posts and you are right about it. But you need to stop arguing with people who want to elevate the kid to something he's not (yet), either because they're euphoric about the win or just don't know enough about the game. Just let it go.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Just one dumb play that I can recall, a forced pass into the end zone (Bennett) that should've been intercepted. He did what he had to do and the team rallied around him with lights-out support from the defense, special teams and Blount. JB doesn't read defenses or do checkdowns yet (he knew where he was going to throw pre-snap on most pass plays) and needs to develop touch on the long ball, so it will be a while before we know what he's capable of. The game plan for him was great, including the designed run plays and permission to scramble if the first option wasn't there.

If we're thinking of the same pass, the issue there wasn't that it was a bad decision, but rather that it was a poorly placed throw. If he leads Bennett a little more, Bennett's the only one in position to make a play on the ball.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'm not questioning his smarts, attitude or work etics. Like I said, he deserves praise for a job well done. I just don't see anywhere near the same potential in JB as I see in Jimmy. Again, that might be about what kind of QB you prefer. Jimmy as a brady/rodgers type and JB as a Cam/Kaepernick type.

I also don't understand this assumption that JB will automatically see the same growth as Jimmy and preform at his level in two years. Obviously those two years will help, but It's not in any way a given that JB will progress that way. The way Jimmy played the first two games cannot just be thaught.

There's a large gap between Brissett and Garoppolo... pretty much the exact gap you'd expect between a third-year guy and a third-month guy. If Garoppolo had started the third game of his rookie season, he would've looked similarly raw.

As far as assuming growth goes, growth is typically a product of the player's mental makeup and the coaching he receives. Everything anyone's said about Brissett suggests that he's an unusually single-minded, obsessively hard working QB. Like Garoppolo, and Brady for that matter. Put a guy like that--with the athleticism and mentality he displayed last night--under Belichick/McDaniels for 2 years and they'll iron out the flaws.

The Pats tried drafting a guy with a ton of raw talent and pretty decent mechanics who wasn't known for being the hardest worker or best leader in the room. They thought they could coach that into him (Mallett) and they failed to. So ever since they've drafted for leadership, intangibles, intelligence and general athleticism, and figured they can refine his mechanics over the course of a couple years. They did it with Jimmy, and I'm confident they can do it again.

 

[LT85]

No, you can't. You've made this point in several posts and you are right about it. But you need to stop arguing with people who want to elevate the kid to something he's not (yet), either because they're euphoric about the win or just don't know enough about the game. Just let it go.

I can't help myself

 

[Tunescribe]

If we're thinking of the same pass, the issue there wasn't that it was a bad decision, but rather that it was a poorly placed throw. If he leads Bennett a little more, Bennett's the only one in position to make a play on the ball.

The way I saw it, Bennett was covered and he forced the ball anyway. I suppose a perfect pass always would be the solution to that circumstance. JB went with his first option on most of the pass plays as I'm sure he was told to do.

 

[BelichickFan]

Brissett looks better to me than JG did as a rookie. That's not to say he will develop similarly, JG always had the lightning quick release. But in a game that mattered, JB was completely under control whereas JG ran around like a chicken with it's head cut off at times in garbage time (although his numbers were solid) . I liked both Js, two years later JG has really matured. JB has less maturing to do but lots of work to do. I am confident JB will be a strong backup next year after we cash in on JG.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Brissett looks better to me than JG did as a rookie. That's not to say he will develop similarly, JG always had the lightning quick release. But in a game that mattered, JB was completely under control whereas JG ran around like a chicken with it's head cut off at times.

I agree that Jacoby is markedly poised for a rookie, but I think you're selling Jimmy short by calling him an inferior quarterback. Just compare their college stats, and you'll see why Jimmy was drafted in the 2nd round, and Jacoby was taken in the 3rd.

 

[BelichickFan]

I think you're selling Jimmy short by calling him an inferior quarterback.

If I did that I didn't mean to. I think JB looks more ready to play in a real game right now. He started two years in the ACC, he should. JG was in FCS, more developed physically (delivery, accuracy) but more of a gun slinger mentality. My gut feeling is that JB was more ready to play as a rookie, although we'll never know. I've always liked JG and expect serious draft picks for him.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Props to Parcells. He wasn't blowing smoke when he praised this kid's intangibles. Brissett still has a lot to learn, but I love his poise. I don't remember him making a single dumb play all game. He seems to have all the things you can't teach. After a couple of years learning from the bench, I think we'll have something with him.

Charlie Weis has been singing Brissett's praises since pretty much the day he was drafted, too. I agree- Brissett looked raw as hell last night, and if he was our #2 going forward I would be uneasy because he's just not ready. But I'm confident he'll get there in the same way that Garoppolo got there, and Parcells and Weis being as high on him as they are is definitely a part of that.

Jacoby Brissett Has Big Believer In Ex-Patriots Coach Charlie Weis