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The most common factor among inmates is poverty and lack of a father in the house increases the likelihood of poverty.

People like Hernandez ARE born. Circumstances don't lead to killing people for fun.

Hypothetically speaking, if it was found poverty among two parent households produced a less likely outcome for being a prison inmate,
I don't think anyone cares....it's not like we're going to feel sympathy for Aaron.

Just his victims....Hernandez isn't a victim, he's a perpetrator

Provided one who illegally murders someone, especially in cold blood, get's a commensurate and just punishment, the system to deal with crime actually worked. That's not the needed consideration now, that's something we all agree with. With that said it's the discovery of the whys to see if it can be avoided.

If it's caring about what happened to AH as a youth or if the motivation is something else that will make one think on how this whole thing ultimately happened, I'm good with it either way. I don't know why anyone wouldn't be. It's good for everyone when something like this gets into the hows and whys. And ultimately isn't it true that it is caring about victims to consider/look at what causes someone to commit such a violent act to see if there are mechanisms to avoid it in the future and reduce additional victims??
 
I don't care about AH but understanding his downfall and what lead him to make poor choice after poor choice could benefit others that may be faced with similar self-destructive choices.

This would be my humble take on things:

His dad reportedly kept him focused athletically, forced him to push his limits while training, etc, and was seen as a very positive influence in Aaron's life. Once he lost his dad in a very unexpected manner, that "shield" vanished and Aaron was left to deal with the ne'er-do-well friends/family that lived in Bristol. It doesn't take a genius to see how this could be a life changing event.

He was already reportedly a bit on the immature side, and likely developed some feelings of depression, grief, and even resentment towards others that may have exacerbated this immaturity. More importantly, any former "devil may care" attitude that he may have had was completely up and running now, and full blast at that. Consequences were not considered and he basically did what he wanted at UF. As we know, that was one of the main reasons why he dropped in the draft and was forced to reach out to NFL personnel via handwritten letters for his opportunity.

Mix in that "thug life" attitude of guns, experimentation with substance abuse, heavy tattoos that were mostly for street cred, possible gang affiliation (on some level) with fame and money and he likely blurred the lines of reality and what he could get away with. He embraced the tough guy image by carrying guns with him, continued to surround himself with the wrong people, and threw a very serious substance abuse problem (PCP) into the mix. I don't know that much about PCP or have any personal experience with it myself, but that's the type of drug that forces you to "hear" messages coming from the TV or shadows. It's straight up psycho stuff in terms of its powerful hallucinogenic effects. We can only speculate as to how much that may/may not have played a role in some of his actions.

Would everyone choose this course of action if presented with the same obstacles? Of course not, and we can look to someone like Nate Ebner as proof. That said, one can easily see how environmental factors helped to transform Aaron Hernandez from someone bordering as a dime-a-dozen thug to a clear cut murdering psychopath. In my opinion, the gap was probably closer that many people think, and that likely rings true for more of the NFL players than we'd care to admit. I'd be interested in comparing Ebner's surroundings and specifics (both lost their fathers in dramatic fashion) to what Hernandez experienced. I think the differences would be night and day in terms of support systems, family and friends, etc.
 
not to bust balls Supa but PCP is an animal tranquilizer. When a person gets high on it, they lose a lot of motor control, their sight becomes distorted and they feel rubbery, almost feeling nothing at all. It doesn't cause hallucinations per se. Introduce the pharmacological effects of high grade marijuana (over 18% THC) and voila!...living La Vida Dali! PCP heightens the effect of THC to the point of hallucination and certainly distorts mind processes of any individual high in this fashion.
 
AH is considered a "trophy" in prison culture.. remember Father Geoghan??

As "bad" as AH is there is always someone "badder" coming through the door...

Some prisoner can go from relative anonymity to making the front page, quickly...
 
Hypothetically speaking, if it was found poverty among two parent households produced a less likely outcome for being a prison inmate,


Provided one who illegally murders someone, especially in cold blood, get's a commensurate and just punishment, the system to deal with crime actually worked. That's not the needed consideration now, that's something we all agree with. With that said it's the discovery of the whys to see if it can be avoided.

If it's caring about what happened to AH as a youth or if the motivation is something else that will make one think on how this whole thing ultimately happened, I'm good with it either way. I don't know why anyone wouldn't be. It's good for everyone when something like this gets into the hows and whys. And ultimately isn't it true that it is caring about victims to consider/look at what causes someone to commit such a violent act to see if there are mechanisms to avoid it in the future and reduce additional victims??
I'm fairly certain we always understand the why. We have for decades, but our society can't afford to do anything about it.

We can't afford to look after each child that loses a parent to make sure they're dealing with it. We can't take away the rights of the majority to protect the few either.

It cost too much and no one wants to live in a nanny state where gov't is our caretaker.
 
How is it that AH is doing life in prison but Ray Lewis got nothing?
 
Aaron Hernandes and Reche Caldwell need to settle the score on "the baddest former Patriot serving prison time" in the yard with shivs.
 
I'm fairly certain we always understand the why. We have for decades, but our society can't afford to do anything about it.

We can't afford to look after each child that loses a parent to make sure they're dealing with it. We can't take away the rights of the majority to protect the few either.

It cost too much and no one wants to live in a nanny state where gov't is our caretaker.
PR, many politicians have said, "it takes a village to raise a child". Bristol did a ****ty job.
 
Hypothetically speaking, if it was found poverty among two parent households produced a less likely outcome for being a prison inmate,
Huh?


Provided one who illegally murders someone, especially in cold blood, get's a commensurate and just punishment, the system to deal with crime actually worked. That's not the needed consideration now, that's something we all agree with. With that said it's the discovery of the whys to see if it can be avoided.

If it's caring about what happened to AH as a youth or if the motivation is something else that will make one think on how this whole thing ultimately happened, I'm good with it either way. I don't know why anyone wouldn't be. It's good for everyone when something like this gets into the hows and whys. And ultimately isn't it true that it is caring about victims to consider/look at what causes someone to commit such a violent act to see if there are mechanisms to avoid it in the future and reduce additional victims??
It's a waste of time. Finding things that have correlation but not causation is pointless.
He killed people because he is a scumbag. He didn't kill people because it was the reaction to something that happened in his childhood.
 
It's a waste of time. Finding things that have correlation but not causation is pointless.
He killed people because he is a scumbag. He didn't kill people because it was the reaction to something that happened in his childhood.

He's a scumbag because it was a reaction to something that happened in his childhood.
 
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I don't remember if this was among the most common or is the most common factor among male inmates: single parent household/no father. If true, since youths have no control over their parental situation, since as a society we want to keep people away from acts that land them in prison, it's counterproductive to believe 'who cares why he got here. Just throw away the key'. No??
Don't let the liberals (or would it be the conservatives) see this. They might outlaw divorce :D

Sorry, just a little fun (not meant to get political).
 
Where's Hernandez' mom in all of this? It seems if he was having such a tough time with the loss of his dad he should have been sent to therapy or something.
 
I'm fairly certain we always understand the why. We have for decades, but our society can't afford to do anything about it.

We can't afford to look after each child that loses a parent to make sure they're dealing with it. We can't take away the rights of the majority to protect the few either.

It cost too much and no one wants to live in a nanny state where gov't is our caretaker.

Most single parent situations are not like this and more avoidable, but that's for the political forum.

You might wonder if his dad didn't die how history would have changed. ;)
 
Most single parent situations are not like this and more avoidable, but that's for the political forum.

You might wonder if his dad didn't die how history would have changed. ;)
Everyone has "what if's" in life.

The only things that matter are the "what did we do's"
 
I was not just talking about how AH's life could have gone differently, but maybe the Pats would have won an extra SB by now. ;)
Gotcha, my bad. Just got off a flight from LA LA Land and now I'm on the Logan Express to Braintree in rush hour traffic

Fun Friday!
 
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