Tom Brady voted 2nd best player in NFL history.

[glm]

I don't believe you can put Brady as the 2nd best player of all time in the NFL...

Best QB and most impactful player? Yes. Best? Judging by positional dominance of all time? Not yet.

If he gets ring 5 then maybe?

Why would he need to get the most SB wins ever to only be the second greatest player?

 

[OhExaulted1]

Otto Graham is #1. 7 championships in 10 years.

Just because no one on here ever saw him play, but no one here watched Babe Ruth either and he should be #1 above Jordan. Peoples sense of history is sorely lacking and those polls are proof

 

[Deus Irae]

Tomlinson's best years were as the focal point of his offense, while Faulk - while certainly great - benefited from a superior passing game and a Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime. Tomlinson rushed the ball in much greater volume than Faulk over his career, and was basically an unstoppable force in short yardage.

Faulk was a far better pure runner than Tomlinson, and he was stuck spending his early years on a garbage Colts team. Your post was pure insanity.

Also, Faulk only played with Peyton for Peyton's rookie season, and Warner is not currently in the HOF, so I'm not sure where you're getting the HOF QB in his prime angle, but it's not as if Rivers is bargain basement material.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Tomlinson's best years were as the focal point of his offense, while Faulk - while certainly great - benefited from a superior passing game and a Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime. Tomlinson rushed the ball in much greater volume than Faulk over his career, and was basically an unstoppable force in short yardage.

Correct. Kevin Faulk did spend his career with a HOF Quarterback.

If your referring to the grocery store bagger the only accolades he deserves is to hand the Lombardi to his master with a smile like a good little *****.

 

[jays52]

When I read the title I thought "Oh cool, that's fair...man, I can't believe Brady is creeping up on Jim Brown." Then I saw Montana was the guy ahead of him and damn near fell out of my chair. Isn't it generally accepted that Jim Brown is not only in that rarified air but at a position so imminently football that it would require six rings for a QB to dethrone him? Brady is without question the GOAT QB but ffs it's Jim Brown we're talking about here.

 

[glm]

When I read the title I thought "Oh cool, that's fair...man, I can't believe Brady is creeping up on Jim Brown." Then I saw Montana was the guy ahead of him and damn near fell out of my chair. Isn't it generally accepted that Jim Brown is not only in that rarified air but at a position so imminently football that it would require six rings for a QB to dethrone him? Brady is without question the GOAT QB but ffs it's Jim Brown we're talking about here.

Recency bias is a sonuva*****

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

GOATgate

 

[pheenix11]

When it comes to stat whores Marino was way better than Manning and played in an era when it was a helluva lot tougher to put up great passing stats. He was the only one to beat the 85 Bears.

Brady
Montana
Sweetness
Marino
Brown

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

The poll is inherently stupid. How does one objectively compare the "greatness" of a QB vs. a RB vs. some special teams player? How does one even objectively compare the "greatness" of players of the same position?

Stuff like this is just bullsh*t for morons.

 

[BobDigital]

Why would he need ring 5? He's the only QB in history to start 6 SBs.

He has accomplished more than any other QB generally overall but it is still close. I do think you objectively need to consider him the best QB of all time but other players are clearly at the top of their positions with more separation than Brady has over other guys at the top of his position.

That is how i determine the best when comparing outside the context of position.

 

[BobDigital]

Why would he need to get the most SB wins ever to only be the second greatest player?

Only 2nd greatest of all time NFL player of all time? That is a pretty amazing accomplishment I explained my reasoning in my above post. I hope that helps.

Otto Graham is #1. 7 championships in 10 years.

Just because no one on here ever saw him play, but no one here watched Babe Ruth either and he should be #1 above Jordan. Peoples sense of history is sorely lacking and those polls are proof

Otto Graham IMO gets overrated. He was in the JV league with a varsity team and once he got up to varsity he clearly went down to earth (that is the easiest way i can put it with the merger).

He deserves to be in the HOF but he gets inflated a bit cause people fail to recognize the above. Also i don't even try to compare his era to this one. Too different.

Edit: Also though i have not written out a list i would certainly put Brady in the top 10 and the highest rated QB but i would put a few guys about him still.

LT, Reggie White, Butkus, Rice, Walter Payton, John Hannah, Jim Brown are all arguably above him I think... I would probably put LT, White, Rice, Payton and maybe Hannah above him still.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I've refused to call LaClassian by the name "LT", so I do a double take too, sometimes.

I thought, before I clicked the thread, that Brady came second to Jim Brown in the poll. One more ring should put the Montana-Brady comp to rest.

Yea I feel the same way. I grew up with the original LT. There can only be one.

 

[patsfan13]

What 5 QBs would you take over Manning?

Brady
Montana
Marino
Young

who else? Bradshaw, Elway, Aikman and Favre I'd put behind him.

Unitas, Starr, Baugh, Graham.

 

[DarrylS]

Seems as though time is a differentiater in this poll, for the longest time Jim Brown was considered the greatest football player.. rightfully so, but as he ages and there is less of a remembrance of him his "greatness" fades..

Compare to Brett Favre, who was not one my fave's, but he has dropped out of the top 5.. if we come back to this poll in two or three years, will Cam Newton have attained prominence??

Top 5's or even top 10's are often interchangeable and there is not a lot of difference, except for "regional homerism"..

Sometimes comparisons does not reflect the time that a player was "great", how would Johnny U or Montana do in this day and age, salary cap has become an equalizer. San Fran loaded up with a lot of high priced(relative to today's salaries) talent, did that make Montana greater?? Conversely if Brady played on those "loaded teams" would he be considered differently??

 

[1960Pats]

Peyton is not #3 player of all time. That's ridiculous. He's top 5 for QB's but not all players.

PEDton isn't even top 5. Maybe if he didn't gag in the playoffs he could be.

And as far as greatest sports stars of all time, that's Bill Russell, by a country mile.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm too young to remember Gayle Sayers. At 49 I remember most games starting from the mid to late 70's.

You missed something very special. He had an incredible ability to cut sideways and still stay at top speed. Where Jim Brown was pure power Sayers was pure excitement. Too bad his career was so short.

 

[varjao]

And as far as greatest sports stars of all time, that's Bill Russell, by a country mile.

huh? He's not even the greatest Celtic of all time

 

[Froob]

Honestly after the whole stickumgate I bumped Jerry down to #2 and Randy up to #1.

Allegedly today's gloves are as good as stickum.

 

[Deus Irae]

He has accomplished more than any other QB generally overall but it is still close. I do think you objectively need to consider him the best QB of all time but other players are clearly at the top of their positions with more separation than Brady has over other guys at the top of his position.

That is how i determine the best when comparing outside the context of position.

Jim Brown is not the leading rusher of all time.
Jim Brown only won one championship.
Jim Brown doesn't lead the NFL in rushing yards per attempt.


The notion that there's some amazing amount of separation between Brown and, say Barry Sanders (among others), is simply the product of nostalgia.

 

[everlong]

In regards to Warner and the hall I'm sure he's getting in even though he shouldn't. People will look at one SB victory and 3 appearances and two MVP's which in itself is very HOF worthy. But then you look at the fact that in domes with some of the best talent ever collected on one team in both STL and AZ he was off the charts. Throw him outside in NY with mediocre talent and he was awful. You give Warner at his peak the 2006 talent Brady had and he doesn't make the playoffs never mind the AFFCG.

Throw in that he's a popular, outside of NE, member of the media and he's a shoe-in.