NFL executives rank Brady as third best QB behind Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck

[wolverinejoe80]

it's way too high for brady. i wished they put him at #8th best. we need entire world to say brady is over the hill. that his time is over. any motivation helps

 

[JMC00]

Can I just throw in a reminder

Luck's playoff run last year to the AFCC consisted of

Beating the Bengals in Indy. (Marvin Lewis now 0-6 in the playoffs)
Beating the Broncos, who reportedly wanted no part of going to Foxboro (Not to mention playoff choker Manning was just physically shot at that point)

 

[pherein]

I know a lot of you say we shouldn't care but it's just frustrating that the best quarterback since the postseason started in January to the regular season opener has been Brady and it's not even close. What he did against Seattle is not talked about enough yes the Butler play is probably the best SB play of all time, but what Brady did down by 10 in the 4th quarter should be recognized more

No worries. Its just an opinion by NFL exec's.

I mean PFF Puts Brady #4
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/12/ranking-all-32-nfl-starting-qbs/

Indystar #3
http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...peyton-manning-drew-brees-tom-brady/30294161/

#2 Sportswirw
http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2015/07/17/qb-rank-nfl-quarterbacks-rankings/

Hes not even on this list
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/nfl...tions-green-bay-packers-andrew-luck-tom-brady

Just saying. Ive always thought that these are just decisions made by stats and personal opinions.
Think Tom only cares that he's #1 in your hearts anyway.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Luck's interception numbers only look good next to early 2000's QB stats. Compared to his peers they're not good. Since he plays against the QBs of today, who throw nearly half as many interceptions as he does, those comparisons don't do much good.

Brady's worst season for interceptions he had 14, the last time he did that was in 2005. Luck surpassed Brady's worst season twice already, and he did it in an era where good QBs throw ten or less.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm actually a big fan of Luck. I like the way he carries himself and he seems like a good person.

He is incredibly talented. Every year hes gotten better and better. He may some day break through. He doesn't have the team around him yet.

With that said, he is not an elite QB. Setting Super Bowls aside, Its Brady/Rodgers 1a/1b....#6 Luck.

I think Romo, Roeth and Brees are better QBs at this point still.

 

[XLIX]

There's nothing more overhyped than the "Luck throws too many picks" myth.

INTs through 3 seasons as starters (including 2001 as one for Brady):

Luck - 43
Manning - 58
Brady - 38
Favre - 51

It's sounds crazy to say this since Brady and Manning are still actually playing, but the 3 QB's you compare Luck to in the above played their first 3 seasons in a totally different era. We have had 2 major defensive "rules emphasis" changes since Brady's 3rd year as a starter, not to mention all the assorted rules implemented to protect the QBs and WRs.

 

[patsinthesnow]

While we are a bunch of Patriots fans, I'm glad I'm not alone with the anti-Luck sentiment. He can have every QB trait in the world but he lacks pocket presence and decision making skills.

Take time this season to watch Bridgewater play, especially moving through the pocket and reading a defense, and then compare it to Luck. Bridgewater is inferior in nearly every physical trait, arm strength, etc, but has the most important traits needed to be a consistently great QB when it matters. I think he'll take a huge leap this year.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

I don't have anything against Luck, but if we're talking about now its Brady and Rodgers. Nobody else is that close.

 

[Deus Irae]

It's sounds crazy to say that since Brady and Manning are still actually playing, but the 3 QB's you compare Luck to in the above played their first 3 seasons in a totally different era. We have had 2 major defensive "rules emphasis" changes since Brady's 3rd year as a starter.

Yes, I know, although the 'era' thing is being overblown. Brady's in a much easier passing era than was Montana yet, for some reason, that doesn't seem to be given as much weight around here when Montana v. Brady comparisons are made.

The truth is that Luck's story for his first 3 years in the league matches up quite well against Manning's most recent 3 seasons, nevermind Manning's first 3, and that's even though Manning has an MVP tossed in there. Since people harped on Luck and his supposed INT problem, I'll toss that in as the spot to focus, and I'll toss out the reminder that Manning's played on teams that have been significantly better overall during that stretch, as well:

INTs- Luck 18/9/16
INTs - Manning 11/10/15

INT% - Luck 2.9/1.6/2.6
INT% - Manning 1.9/1.5/2.5

Wins - Luck 33
Wins - Manning 38

Playoff wins - Luck 0/1/2 total 3
Playoff wins - Manning 0/2/0 total 3

If you take out Luck's rookie season, it's even better for Luck.

 

[XLIX]

Luck's interception numbers only look good next to early 2000's QB stats. Compared to his peers they're not good. Since he plays against the QBs of today, who throw nearly half as many interceptions as he does, those comparisons don't do much good.

Agree. Luck has 86 TD's to 43 INT's, a 2:1 ratio. Russell Wilson has 72 TD's against 26 INT's, a much better 2.77:1 ratio.

 

[Deus Irae]

Luck's interception numbers only look good next to early 2000's QB stats. Compared to his peers they're not good.

That's simply not correct, as I've demonstrated.

 

[RobertWeathers]

While we are a bunch of Patriots fans, I'm glad I'm not alone with the anti-Luck sentiment. He can have every QB trait in the world but he lacks pocket presence and decision making skills.

...and they have no idea what they are talking about either.

Andrew Luck lacks pocket presence and decision making skills? Seriously?

Take time this season to watch Bridgewater play, especially moving through the pocket and reading a defense, and then compare it to Luck. Bridgewater is inferior in nearly every physical trait, arm strength, etc, but has the most important traits needed to be a consistently great QB when it matters. I think he'll take a huge leap this year.

Bridge seems like a good QB prospect.

He is nowhere close to Andrew Luck.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Agree. Luck has 86 TD's to 43 INT's, a 2:1 ratio. Russell Wilson has 72 TD's against 26 INT's, a much better 2.77:1 ratio.

Add in the fact 6 games vs San Fran/Arizona/St. Louis vs 6 games of Tenn/Houston/Jacksonville every year too.

 

[Deus Irae]

Agree. Luck has 86 TD's to 43 INT's, a 2:1 ratio. Russell Wilson has 72 TD's against 26 INT's, a much better 2.77:1 ratio.

Luck INT% - 2.9/1.6/2.6
Wilson INT% - 2.5/2.2/1.5

Again, the INT thing is a myth, even when we disregard the context of different systems and styles.

 

[patsinthesnow]

...and they have no idea what they are talking about either.

Andrew Luck lacks pocket presence and decision making skills? Seriously?



Bridge seems like a good QB prospect.

He is nowhere close to Andrew Luck.

Luck has nowhere close to the pocket presence/decision making skills of Brady/Rodgers (or Romo, Manning, Wilson, Big Ben). That is who he is compared to.

We'll see by 2016-2017 on the Bridgewater/Luck comparison.

 

[patsfan13]

Yes, I know, although the 'era' thing is being overblown. Brady's in a much easier passing era than was Montana yet, for some reason, that doesn't seem to be given as much weight around here when Montana v. Brady comparisons are made.

It isn't about fantasy football stats. It is about winning and losing and performing when the game is on the line. It is about winning playoff games.

Brady is now head and shoulders above any QB who has played in the last 60 years.

Look at a QB's performance when the D isn't playing well, when the running game is neutralized, look at com from behind wins in the 4 th qtr.

Neither Rogers nor any other QB is on the same level.

 

[Deus Irae]

It isn't about fantasy football stats. It is about winning and losing and performing when the game is on the line. It is about winning playoff games.

Brady is now head and shoulders above any QB who has played in the last 60 years.

Look at a QB's performance when the D isn't playing well, when the running game is neutralized, look at com from behind wins in the 4 th qtr.

Neither Rogers nor any other QB is on the same level.

Thank you for this almost completely irrelevant post, that does happen to be completely irrelevant to the post you quoted before answering.

 

[patsfan13]

Thank you for this almost completely irrelevant post, that does happen to be completely irrelevant to the post you quoted before answering.

You show little understanding about what is important playing football.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Luck has nowhere close to the pocket presence/decision making skills of Brady/Rodgers (or Romo, Manning, Wilson, Big Ben). That is who he is compared to.

We'll see by 2016-2017 on the Bridgewater/Luck comparison.

When compared to Brady and Rodgers at their level, no he doesn't.

You said he lacks both qualities so I took that as you saying he doesn't have them.

 

[XLIX]

Yes, I know, although the 'era' thing is being overblown. Brady's in a much easier passing era than was Montana yet, for some reason, that doesn't seem to be given as much weight around here when Montana v. Brady comparisons are made.

We're not talking about Montana in this thread. Your stat, which you wrote, brought up Luck, Brady, Manning, Favre.

In 1992, Favre's first year as a starter, NFL QB's threw 516 TD's against 519 INT's -
In 2001, Brady's first year as a starter, NFL QB's threw 635 TD's against 545 INT's.
In 2012, Luck's first year as a starter, NFL QB's threw 757 TD's against 468 INT's.

In Favre's first 3 years as a starter, NFL QB's averaged 539 TD's against 487 INT's (per year)
In Brady's first 3 years as a starter, NFL QB's averaged 661 TD's against 537 INT's (per year)
In Luck's first 3 years as a starter, NFL QB's averaged 789 TD's against 473 INT's (per year)

Those are HUGE differences. There is nothing "overblown" about saying that today is an entirely different era than back when Tom Brady was a young pup (and Brett Favre's era is back when dinosaurs still roamed the Earth).