Brady appeal decision coming next week?

[PatsFanSince74]

At least this is coming down in July and not August like I thought it would. Give Brady and his camp a lot more time to go over their options.

They know their options and they've already game-planned every reasonably foreseeable decision by Goodell. It will just be a matter of deciding whether and how to move forward once they know what it is. The NFLPA might have another perspective, but Brady will have to look out for number one (ok, number 12) first.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

The suspension will be reduced to one game, based on some new information revealed at the arbitration hearing....

Brady's Barristers have minions positioned in Minnesota awaiting the decision so they can file suit on Judge Doty's Docket, where Brady will prevail and Roger will look like a complete butthole..

If it's reduced to one game for "deflation," it's one thing.
If it's reduced to one game for "non-cooperation" after exoneration on the deflation nonsense, it's another.
I'm not saying he won't litigate in either case, just that they are two different decisions.

 

[VectorPrime]

I think it's useless debating it because I really really doubt that Goodell budges more than a single game.

 

[shmessy]

You'll likely get your wish, so you might be proven right, but I think that Brady could have difficulty even getting a judge to hear the case. His best chance is the 0.0001% chance that Goodell exonerates him.

As for public perception, Moses, ************, Mohammed, Buddha, Confucius and Krishna could all appear on the 50 yard line at Gillette and proclaim Brady's innocence and the vast majority of the American public would still believe that Kraft had bought them off.

All Brady needs to do in a court of law is show the judge T. David Gardi's official letter to the Patriots of January 19, 2015 with the knowingly false information that the NFL never corrected and was not corrected until the Wells Report came out 4 months later.

The NFL had the PSi measures. They knowingly gave Mortenson false ones (but unless he gives his source, we will never know who) and they knowingly gave the Patriots false ones - - "I call for our first witness, Mr. T. David Gardi......"

One piece of paper.

Hundreds of millions of dollars to Mr. Brady from the NFL.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

All Brady needs to do in a court of law is show the judge T. David Gardi's official letter to the Patriots of January 19, 2015 with the knowingly false information that the NFL never corrected and was not corrected until the Wells Report came out 4 months later.

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And when they gave the Patriots the correct information, they had them sign a NDA ( non-disclosure agreement) so it never got out until the Wells Report was released.....
Sleazy, truly sleazy...

 

[Oswlek]

All Brady needs to do in a court of law is show the judge T. David Gardi's official letter to the Patriots of January 19, 2015 with the knowingly false information that the NFL never corrected and was not corrected until the Wells Report came out 4 months later.

The NFL had the PSi measures. They knowingly gave Mortenson false ones (but unless he gives his source, we will never know who) and they knowingly gave the Patriots false ones - - "I call for our first witness, Mr. T. David Gardi......"

One piece of paper.

Hundreds of millions of dollars to Mr. Brady from the NFL.

It certainly should be that easy.

When the psi evidence has not only been refuted, but it now appears to indicate conclusively that deflation did not happen, a reasonable person would have overturned the penalty at the end of the meeting. It should have looked like a cliche television courtroom drama where the judge looks at the accused and apologizes to them before saying, "case dismissed" with an emphatic pounding of the gavel.

Seriously, what else is there to discuss? The texts? Circumstantial without evidence of deflation and irrelevant with evidence of no deflation. The obstruction? Justified in light of the leaks and Wells' well poisoning. The phone? Even if we presume guilt, why would there ever be texts to uninvolved parties if Tom was careful in his communication to JJ and McNally?

This all means we should expect the NFL to double the suspension.

 

[aluminum seats]

The problem with that is that the precedent for not turning over a phone is a $50,000 fine for Favre. I think the max fine for an individual player is $250k, so maybe he goes there, but a game check for Brady is a lot more than $250.

Of the roughly six thousand things that frustrate the hell out of me with all this, the phone stuff is right up there.

Wells & his minions have said repeatedly that they didn't want Brady to turn over his phone, just to convey if there was anything there of note, which Brady and his team said there wasn't. I'm really at a loss as to what we're even talking about with the goddamn phone.

 

[pdangle]

My experience married to a lawyer, is in every type of case (non-criminal), the biggest fear is the plaintiff actually going to court. At that point, they lose control of the outcome and luck and social factors, i.e. jurors, judges, witness likability, etc now suddenly become critical. In most cases they would rather settle for 10x than risk a 1% chance of losing in court and lose 100x. Alough if u do the math, over the long run it'll only cost them 1x per case. It's strange. I think, why they want the worse over the long run, but fixed amount, is it's easier for to account and budget for, as I understand they all have set pool of budgeted funds to draw from. Although I can't say I fully understand all the reasons.

Back to this case. The worse of all outcomes for Goodell (IMO) is if his appeal ruling sparks a trial. Where so many things can go wrong for him. If he's afraid of, losing, looking week, throwing his friends under the bus, giving the league a black eye, exposing his private communication, awaking blissfully obedient fans, ugly media exposure, possibly losing owner confidence, etc, etc, the strongest possibility of these happening are by the fickle whim of justice in the vagaries of court.

1. He will either cave almost completely. 0 games. 250K fine. Something that has precedent and within his rights, and would be tough to convince TB to continue to fight, and if he chose to, tough to get it past a judge, and tough to win.

2. He's an idiot. No changes. And it goes to court and everything he doesn't want to happen, several mentioned above, are in play.

First and foremost I think Goodell looks out for #1, and saves his hide. This is not the fight he wants to pick. So I go with 0 games, 250K fine. Although the fine amount is debatable. He might go higher to show he still 'did something'. But the higher from precedent (50k) it gets, the more likely it'll get shot down in court and more like TB will take it there to get it. He'll go as high as he thinks he can get away with to that tipping point.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

I stopped caring about all the extra crap that comes with deflategate a long time ago. I just want my Qb on the field. I couldn't care less about anything else.

 

[aluminum seats]

I'm not on the same page at all. I would much rather that the suspension was vacated entirely. The picks are gone, and vindicating the organization went away as a possibility the moment Kraft bent over for Goodell.

All that's in play now is Brady's suspension, and I'll take a guaranteed zero over court (where literally anything can happen) any day. At that point Brady's implicitly exonerated anyway, at at least to the point that I can pretty much point to the scoreboard at anyone who *****es and moans about him 'cheating'.

I would prefer court over settling at 1-2 games, though. Brady should not accept any kind of punishment from Roger based on this pile of BS.

Agree completely. Getting rid of the suspension is the best thing that could happen. It won't happen, but definitely my choice.

 

[aluminum seats]

First and foremost I think Goodell looks out for #1, and saves his hide. This is not the fight he wants to pick. So I go with 0 games, 250K fine.

Nice thought, but there's no way he removes the suspension.

 

[Canuck]

He could still reverse Brady's suspension and avoid going to court because the team penalties still stand. I can see him talking to Kraft and saying "I'm thinking of reversing Brady's suspension but I want your assurance that you won't reverse your decision to accept the team penalties. If you are having second thoughts, then I just should fight it out in court" Kraft by caving and accepting the penalties, gave Goodell a way out of this mess he got himself into. I'm not sure Goodell is smart enough to take it.

Most likely it will be just a reduction in Brady's suspension and a fight in court.

 

[pdangle]

Nice thought, but there's no way he removes the suspension.

I know it seems improbable on the face, but when u analyze the alternatives he must. He'll replace it with some condemnation, blustery language, say TB is a pillar of integrity, first time offender, etc, etc, and throw in somewhat heavy fine, but I think this (o games) is the surprise decision.

He just has the most personally to gain. And he's shown that this (himself) is usually his #1 criteria. The fear of court sharpening an electric can opener ready to gather facts and discovery by shearing open so many of those cans full of worms and secrets he's so carefully hidden away all these months (years?) can not be very reassuring. I think in the end he chooses not to plug it in. I sure as hell wouldn't.

As Goodell, what's the big loss to me for 0 games + big fine? I take some heat in the press. Life as king commish goes on as normal. My good ol boys pat my back at our next meeting. Collect our checks and we'll grab a beer and laugh about it. But the court alternative... that's something else... I just don't know what will happen to me and to all of these perks I love. Now that scares me.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

First and foremost I think Goodell looks out for #1, and saves his hide. This is not the fight he wants to pick. So I go with 0 games, 250K fine. Although the fine amount is debatable. He might go higher to show he still 'did something'. But the higher from precedent (50k) it gets, the more likely it'll get shot down in court and more like TB will take it there to get it. He'll go as high as he thinks he can get away with to that tipping point.

$250K is the maximum an individual can be fined, per the NFL Constitution and By-Laws.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

You have to remember the third party in all this, the NFLPA. Brady wants vindication, Goodell wants to show he is "in charge" the NFLPA wants to show that Goodell is an incompetent arbitrator.

I would be shocked if this doesn't end up in court.

 

[flasox27]

I think the only way this gets resolved without a court case from Brady is no suspension and a $50,000 fine max. Anything more and there will be case before Doty in Minneapolis. Rest assured that Kraft will be backing Goodell 100% and trying everything legal to try to get Brady to accept whatever Goodell determines.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Very surprised it is coming this early. I thought they will drag it out to corner brady late into the off season. Wonder why and if kraft has pushed for this?

Do you think a person of that large/frail of an ego would surround himself by anything other than yes men?

 

[aluminum seats]

I know it seems improbable on the face, but when u analyze the alternatives he must. He'll replace it with some condemnation, blustery language, say TB is a pillar of integrity, first time offender, etc, etc, and throw in somewhat heavy fine, but I think this (o games) is the surprise decision.

He just has the most personally to gain. And he's shown that this (himself) is usually his #1 criteria. The fear of court sharpening an electric can opener ready to gather facts and discovery by shearing open so many of those cans full of worms and secrets he's so carefully hidden away all these months (years?) can not be very reassuring. I think in the end he chooses not to plug it in. I sure as hell wouldn't.

As Goodell, what's the big loss to me for 0 games + big fine? I take some heat in the press. Life as king commish goes on as normal. My good ol boys pat my back at our next meeting. Collect our checks and we'll grab a beer and laugh about it. But the court alternative... that's something else... I just don't know what will happen to me and to all of these perks I love. Now that scares me.

Nah. The seals out there slap their fins together every time he comes down hard on the Pats. He'll do it again.

If Brady wins in court, whenever the hell that might happen, he'll say, hey, I did what I could, damn Pats, I hate 'em too.

 

[flasox27]

Nah. The seals out there slap their fins together every time he comes down hard on the Pats. He'll do it again.

If Brady wins in court, whenever the hell that might happen, he'll say, hey, I did what I could, damn Pats, I hate 'em too.

I would just add he would say we have their draft picks which their owner forked over as a admission of guilt and we will get them next time. I am confident that they are already working on the next sham violation with BB as the target.

 

[pdangle]

$250K is the maximum an individual can be fined, per the NFL Constitution and By-Laws.

Then'll it be 250k minimum for sure. Although I think that this is where RG tries to exert some power. Show strength so he can feed the company line to the press.

For example, make 250K for multiple offenses. Like refusal hand over phone, a separate non-coop, something else bogus, etc. Not sure if this is dis-allowed specifically, maybe he gets creative.

Or just goes over the top 500K or 1M, blowing over the limit rules. Why not, he makes them up anyway. Knowing TB won't fight this in court probably. Although the Player Assoc might. Hmmm I take this off the table as likely. No wait... it's back on. In this case, TB has dropped the case. Then the PA is just fighting the fine amount. None of RG dirty laundry come to light in psigate sting and subsequent fiasco. So maybe this happens. Still drags TB thru the mud too as a bonus.

Anyway I think this is where RG flexes his muscle. Exorbitant or at least max fine. But goes 0 games (assumption TB drops case) to avoid the vagaries of court. Fight the battle on simply the fine amount, perhaps only against the PA, drag TB thru the mud, win or not, not important really. Looks strong. TB still looks guilty.