Patriots Release Additional Deflategate E-mails

[NashuaPats]

I'm not saying he had motive, and I'm not saying he had means. I'm saying that, given the time required to do the job, as demonstrated by others, his time in the bathroom was long enough to have given him the opportunity. It's one point of the Wells report that has held up to date.

And, no, the needle does not need to be found on his person. He had plenty of time to ditch it after coming out of the bathroom.

Yes, it's possible. But given the circumstances, it is unlikely and probably unreasonable that he would have done it so fast. Like another poster pointed out, I can shower, shave, and get dressed in 5 minutes. But I'm normally going to take 15 minutes. And if I do it in 5 minutes, I may miss a spot shaving or my collar may be up on one side and down on the other.

It was not necessary for him to release the air frantically. He had plenty of time.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

The NY video started time in the bathroom already. But McNally had 95 seconds total. Presumably from door close to door open. Also, do we know that's the bag? In the Peter King special the balls were in a zipped bag. The question of accuracy is another. The patriots balls were in a range of what, .6? So you need to test a similar bag and see if you can leave with all 12 balls deflated to that accuracy.

I suspect it cannot be done. Or cannot be done without some amazing theatrics that would be absurd to apply to McNally.

This is one for the mythbusters. Probably plausible but unlikely. I would imagine after a dozen tries of frantic ball deflation they manage it once.

 

[SteveBsFan]

The NY video started time in the bathroom already. But McNally had 95 seconds total. Presumably from door close to door open. Also, do we know that's the bag? In the Peter King special the balls were in a zipped bag. The question of accuracy is another. The patriots balls were in a range of what, .6? So you need to test a similar bag and see if you can leave with all 12 balls deflated to that accuracy.

I suspect it cannot be done. Or cannot be done without some amazing theatrics that would be absurd to apply to McNally.

This is one for the mythbusters. Probably plausible but unlikely. I would imagine after a dozen tries of frantic ball deflation they manage it once.

I'd bet it's plausible, especially if he had "years of doing it". I just think it's crazy people actually believe he went into the bathroom for 90 seconds to deflate footballs down as little as he did.

You don't do a covert mission and bust your ass to take a tick out of 12 footballs. It's not like he brought them from 16 to 11 psi.

People think it's more probable that Brady ran a massive sting operation to remove about 1/2 psi over the course of his career... Rather than thinking it would be easier just to get used to a 12.5 psi football.

People would absolutely laugh if the same rumor went around about Michael Jordan.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

I'd bet it's plausible, especially if he had "years of doing it". I just think it's crazy people actually believe he went into the bathroom for 90 seconds to deflate footballs down as little as he did.

You don't do a covert mission and bust your ass to take a tick out of 12 footballs. It's not like he brought them from 16 to 11 psi.

People think it's more probable that Brady ran a massive sting operation to remove about 1/2 psi over the course of his career... Rather than thinking it would be easier just to get used to a 12.5 psi football.

People would absolutely laugh if the same rumor went around about Michael Jordan.

I agree, that's why I'd like to see mythbusters do it. I suspect seeing the level of effort and practice required will tell the tale.

 

[kjw]

What people suspect Brady would want, or what you think Tom would want, is irrelevan

It's totally relevant. That's what this narrative is about. That Brady orchestrated the whole thing.
That TB want the balls the way he wants them. If we are to believe that, then there's no way I accept that he would be ok with just letting any arbitrary amount of air out. No, he would know the pressure he wanted. So in that case the only way to do it accurately is to have a gauge with a relief valve. And that is what I can't believe can be done in 95 second.

Certainly sticking a pin in twelve balls is possible. Doing it with any accuracy with just a pin is not.
Remember, these demonstrations were aimed at letting 2psi out of the ball within that time. And it is possible because the air rushes out of the pin. There's no way to control the flow. It's very possible to take way too much out by accident. Or not take enough.

Also, it's been demonstrated that at 1 psi less no one could guess the difference. At 2 psi, it was guessed right 50% of the time. So I just don't see TB requesting deflating by an amount that he couldn't notice. If it goes lower than that, I should think that the refs would begin to notice since they handle both team's ball all game long. The ball are their responsibility during the game.

So yes, by the media narrative, this is about what TB wanted and I don't believe it could be accomplished in said time frame.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

No one will pick up on this...since it makes sense and backs most of our thoughts...ESPN would never let this info slip on the air

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes, it's possible. But given the circumstances, it is unlikely and probably unreasonable that he would have done it so fast.

This is not factual. This is your opinion, and one easily refuted.

 

[Deus Irae]

The NY video started time in the bathroom already. But McNally had 95 seconds total. Presumably from door close to door open. Also, do we know that's the bag? In the Peter King special the balls were in a zipped bag. The question of accuracy is another. The patriots balls were in a range of what, .6? So you need to test a similar bag and see if you can leave with all 12 balls deflated to that accuracy.

I suspect it cannot be done. Or cannot be done without some amazing theatrics that would be absurd to apply to McNally.

This is one for the mythbusters. Probably plausible but unlikely. I would imagine after a dozen tries of frantic ball deflation they manage it once.

You figure it takes more than 45 seconds to walk into a bathroom, close the door, open the door and walk back out?

Come on.

 

[Deus Irae]

It's totally relevant.

No, it's not. It's completely, 100% irrelevant, because the issue at hand is opportunity to deflate the footballs, not the opportunity to deflate footballs to an exact PSI.

Look, I get that people want to come up with all sorts of "Gotcha!" items. I really do. I spent days, right here on this site, going over these reports and responses, and put in what seemed like 100s of posts in the process, some of which were pointing to flaws in one document or another. But this just isn't going to be a "Gotcha!" item, unless there's some information about it that nobody's been given, but is discovered.

 

[nowayback]

No, it's not. It's completely, 100% irrelevant, because the issue at hand was opportunity to deflate the footballs.

Didn't seem very relevant that Rice had opportunity to beat wife in elevator.....till they saw the video. Of course now its a different story, its the Pats, and godell has been burnt too often. And this of course is much more serious

 

[RobertWeathers]

Didn't seem very relevant that Rice had opportunity to beat wife in elevator.....till they saw the video. Of course now its a different story, its the Pats, and godell has been burnt too often. And this of course is much more serious

Deflategate is more serious than the Ray Rice situation? I'm sure you meant something different.

 

[skinnydog]

It's not. It's incredibly easy. The NY Daily News deflated 12 balls in 40 seconds, for example.

There are plenty of holes in the Wells report. Deflating the footballs quickly is not one of them.

Come on Dues, did you watch the video? At the start they state it takes 2.2 seconds per ball to take 2 psi out of the footballs. I watched it and he very briefly put the needle in and then pretty much pulled it right out. If that takes 2 psi out of footballs, then the balls in the Indy game would have left the referees room at 12.5, then would have been reduced to 10.5 if this video is accurate and then based on the ideal gas law all of the balls would have been below 10 psi and some well, well below 10 psi. If anything the video shows it is impossible to do this with any accuracy at all. None.

 

[nowayback]

Deflategate is more serious than the Ray Rice situation? I'm sure you meant something different.

joking,,,, put now

 

[kjw]

No, it's not. It's completely, 100% irrelevant, because the issue at hand is opportunity to deflate the footballs, not the opportunity to deflate footballs to an exact PSI.

This is where you came in, right after this post. You'll notice the poster says "exactly where tom likes them".
That's the subject you started commenting on.

someone needs to do a youtube trying to take 12 balls out of a bag and deflate them to exactly where tom likes them and then get them back into the bag and time it.

"Gotcha" or not, it doesn't fit the story that the man was acting at the behest of TB to put the balls exactly where he likes them, which is of course below 12.5 (per the implication).

 

[Ross12]

Imagine if McNally didn't make this bathroom pit stop. I can only wonder what sort of nonsense Wells would have had to come up with to try and establish opportunity. Maybe when he was out of sight of the cameras, but sounds like there's plenty of witnesses. He was probably thanking baby Jesus when he saw him step into the bathroom. That was his "Gotcha!" moment.

 

[Deus Irae]

Come on Dues, did you watch the video?

Yes. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated before you people get it hrough your head. Let me try it more crassly to see if it works (No offense intended, but this is getting ridiculous in general, not specific to you):

Nobody in the world gives a **** what a bunch of clowns on the internet think would be some ideal, and only acceptable, PSI number after the balls get deflates, and that certainly includes the Wells report and the NFL.

What matters is whether or not the balls were tampered with, not whether or not McNally did a good job of tampering with the footballs in order to get them perfect for Brady before they were sent out into a freakin' storm. For the "prosecution", one opportunity for such tampering happens to be a 90 second window of time when McNally stepped into a bathroom.

All the "But Brady likes.... PSI" in the world isn't going to make a damned bit of difference to that.

 

[VectorPrime]

When the reports about McNally going into the bathroom for 90 seconds came out the week before the Super Bowl I like many of you scoffed at how short a period of time it was. But then I timed myself doing a bunch of stuff. It doesn't sound it but you don't immediately realize how long 90 seconds is. If he wanted to deflate the balls in that period of time he could have. There is no arguing that fact.

Anyway, that ******ed bathroom break and that series of txt messages are what killed us. I can't get past the fact how such two seemingly inconsequential little things have become so critical.

 

[Deus Irae]

This is where you came in, right after this post. You'll notice the poster says "exactly where tom likes them".
That's the subject you started commenting on.



"Gotcha" or not, it doesn't fit the story that the man was acting at the behest of TB to put the balls exactly where he likes them, which is of course below 12.5 (per the implication).

That's not where the chain started.

 

[patsfan13]

It's not. It's incredibly easy. The NY Daily News deflated 12 balls in 40 seconds, for example.

There are plenty of holes in the Wells report. Deflating the footballs quickly is not one of them.

We'll as per the Wells report Brady has OCD when it comes to footballs, even IF he wanted his footballs @<12.5 psi, does anyone think that in a minute or two 12 footballs could really be deflated to precisely the psi requested by the OCD QB?

LOL

 

[skinnydog]

Yes. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated before you people get it hrough your head. Let me try it more crassly to see if it works (No offense intended, but this is getting ridiculous in general, not specific to you):

Nobody in the world gives a **** what a bunch of clowns on the internet think would be some ideal, and only acceptable, PSI number after the balls get deflates, and that certainly includes the Wells report and the NFL.

What matters is whether or not the balls were tampered with, not whether or not McNally did a good job of tampering with the footballs in order to get them perfect for Brady before they were sent out into a freakin' storm. For the "prosecution", one opportunity for such tampering happens to be a 90 second window of time when McNally stepped into a bathroom.

All the "But Brady likes.... PSI" in the world isn't going to make a damned bit of difference to that.

Sorry, Dues, but for the "prosecution" theoretical possible opportunities do not hold up well. And nobody in the world gives a ****e about whether the NY Daily News can stick a needle in and out of balls under 90 seconds. I agree with most of your points about the Wells report, but not your suggestion that the NY Daily New video proves this was a realistic opportunity is way off base. You can say that the 100 second bathroom trip is an opportunity, but that video does not get you there.