The Published Wells Report.

[Dr Pain]

Unlike you many of us are reading the report and are finding huge holes in it.

The company used to do the science are hired guns, who for example produced 'science' for Tobacco companies 'proving' that cigs don't cause cancer. Funny there was experiments done at Columbia right in NYC, Harvard, Carnagie Mellon, yet they went to these guys.

We also note that there were NO record of PSI at the start of the game, merely the claim of the ref which was assumed to be 100% correct.

We also noted that Brady started to pay attention to the ball PSI until after the balls he had used were at 16 psi at the end of the Jets game.

Much more but I realize you are just bitter that he shredded the Hawks D with balls fully in spec.

See page 163 of report. 2 NFL guys measuring the same ball at the same time were up to .45 PSI different. Did the ball start at 12.5 or 12.05. We will never know.

 

[Ivan]

Manish Mehta may want to stay out of New England for a decade or so? Slimy little puke.

 

[upstater1]

I would be happy to share the R code, if anyone wants to test it themselves BTW.

Can statistics account for the fact that pressure doesn't dissipate on a straight line? The more pressure you lose, the loss accelerates.

If a ball starts at 13.5 PSI, it will lose less pressure than a ball starting at 12.5 PSI.

All of this is irrelevant anyway since Walt Anderson is just guessing at the starting points.

 

[JMC00]

Florio points out that the language used in the findings is all the league needs to hand out punishment. You all better go tell him he's wrong if you disagree...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ble-than-not-carries-important-legal-meaning/

lol you're a joke using that hack as proof of something.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Florio points out that the language used in the findings is all the league needs to hand out punishment. You all better go tell him he's wrong if you disagree...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ble-than-not-carries-important-legal-meaning/

You still waking up in a cold sweat reliving the last play of the super Bowl ...

Malcolm says hello ... go clean your basement bedroom.

 

[RolandDeschain]

You still waking up in a cold sweat reliving the last play of the super Bowl ...

Nah, I got over it pretty quickly, actually. It was nothing compared to watching the refs purposely prevent your team from winning its first Super Bowl. (Super Bowl XL, which by the way, a ton of Patriots fans came and agreed with us about on Seahawks.net prior to Super Bowl XLVIII in case you want to deny that the refs screwed us.)

Seattle's the new power in the NFL, and we're here to stay. Enjoy being the reigning champs while it lasts.

P.S., count yourselves fortunate that three of the four members of the Legion of Boom were banged up for Super Bowl XLIX.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Nah, I got over it pretty quickly, actually. It was nothing compared to watching the refs purposely prevent your team from winning its first Super Bowl. (Super Bowl XL, which by the way, a ton of Patriots fans came and agreed with us about on Seahawks.net prior to Super Bowl XLVIII in case you want to deny that the refs screwed us.)

Seattle's the new power in the NFL, and we're here to stay. Enjoy being the reigning champs while it lasts.

P.S., count yourselves fortunate that three of the four members of the Legion of Boom were banged up for Super Bowl XLIX.

LOL ... I hit a nerve ...

 

[JMC00]

So Brady is gonna get suspended yet Woody Johnson tampered and got well below the standard punishment that had been established?

F*cking joke if so.

 

[JMC00]

P.S., count yourselves fortunate that three of the four members of the Legion of Boom were banged up for Super Bowl XLIX.

Don't give us that whining ******** injury excuse.

 

[tom444]

Nah, I got over it pretty quickly, actually. It was nothing compared to watching the refs purposely prevent your team from winning its first Super Bowl. (Super Bowl XL, which by the way, a ton of Patriots fans came and agreed with us about on Seahawks.net prior to Super Bowl XLVIII in case you want to deny that the refs screwed us.)

Seattle's the new power in the NFL, and we're here to stay. Enjoy being the reigning champs while it lasts.

P.S., count yourselves fortunate that three of the four members of the Legion of Boom were banged up for Super Bowl XLIX.

The new power huh? You lost to us. You almost lost to the Packers. When you win three Super Bowls in 4 years come and talk to us. Until then you're just pretenders to the thrown.

 

[Deus Irae]

Florio points out that the language used in the findings is all the league needs to hand out punishment. You all better go tell him he's wrong if you disagree...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ble-than-not-carries-important-legal-meaning/

Florio doesn't point that out. He makes an assertion that he's already debating in another post of his own, as has already been discussed and shown.

Troll better.

 

[obgod3]

So what I don't undertand and as a life long Pats fan, why does everyone think Brady is telling the truth? it is certainly possible and likely probable that he lied all along to us and Kraft. Why do folks assume Brady did not have a hand in this. Sorry but when the baby is ugly maybe you should call it ugly.

I'm having a hard time with this to be honest because I have defended them since spygate and now I feel like I have been betrayed. Probable, most likely etc. etc. but let's face the music, it doesn't look good.

 

[Froob]

What a joke if Brady not turning over his phone is suspicious, that's like refusing to let a cop search your car and getting convicted for running a meth lab in your trunk. Goodell and Wells is a POS. Ted Wells is a disgrace to our last name.

 

[RolandDeschain]

The new power huh? You lost to us. You almost lost to the Packers. When you win three Super Bowls in 4 years come and talk to us. Until then you're just pretenders to the thrown.

Will two in three years suffice if the league doesn't dock us draft picks for cheating? Just curious.

 

[Froob]

Will two in three years suffice if the league doesn't dock us draft picks for cheating? Just curious.

Guess not if the league botches the drug test.

 

[Dr Pain]

So what I don't undertand and as a life long Pats fan, why does everyone think Brady is telling the truth? it is certainly possible and likely probable that he lied all along to us and Kraft. Why do folks assume Brady did not have a hand in this. Sorry but when the baby is ugly maybe you should call it ugly.

I'm having a hard time with this to be honest because I have defended them since spygate and now I feel like I have been betrayed. Probable, most likely etc. etc. but let's face the music, it doesn't look good.

Lets look at it this way. he rips an equipment guy because the balls at 16 PSI in the Jets game. That is the texts. The science shows that if (big question given the reffs are up to .45PSI off on measuring the same balls at the same time) the balls start at 12.5 at 72 degrees as the NFL states, they will be down to 11.27 at 48 degrees which is what the NFL states. 8 of 11 balls were over 11.27, 1 at 11.20, 1 at 11 and 1 at 10.9 and that is you trust the NFL measurement which based on the wild variations between the measures from the 2 NFL guys, why would you.

There is literally nothing here other than some texts about 16 PSI balls from some guys who don't like Brady.

 

[The Gr8est]

Manish Mehta may want to stay out of New England for a decade or so? Slimy little puke.

He seems to have the same maturity level as the average Rats fan poster from JetsInsiders' glory days.

Such as they were.

 

[Deus Irae]

So what I don't undertand and as a life long Pats fan, why does everyone think Brady is telling the truth?

You can't possibly be reading this thread and still saying this, so.....

Read the thread.

it is certainly possible and likely probable that he lied all along to us and Kraft.

Possible? Sure.
Likely probable? Huh?

Why do folks assume Brady did not have a hand in this. Sorry but when the baby is ugly maybe you should call it ugly.

And when the evidence is weak, the evidence is weak. And, in this case, as Wells makes clear he knows through the words he chooses, the evidence is weak.

I'm having a hard time with this to be honest because I have defended them since spygate and now I feel like I have been betrayed. Probable, most likely etc. etc. but let's face the music, it doesn't look good.

You haven't been betrayed. You weren't even thought about.

 

[RayClay]

This is spooky. what i imagine living in Russia during a political change is like.

The league owns one football network. On the other one BSPN, The "Patriots" blog has three articles in a row about deflategate, one by the Indy BSPN writer and no stories from Reiss.

I repeat, this is the Patriots page of the one independent sports network. Maybe they have a sled dog column in Siberia, Mike.

So what I don't undertand and as a life long Pats fan, why does everyone think Brady is telling the truth? it is certainly possible and likely probable that he lied all along to us and Kraft. Why do folks assume Brady did not have a hand in this. Sorry but when the baby is ugly maybe you should call it ugly.

I'm having a hard time with this to be honest because I have defended them since spygate and now I feel like I have been betrayed. Probable, most likely etc. etc. but let's face the music, it doesn't look good.

I think you're a liar. give me your cell phone and let me lock you up while we investigate.

This was from a game we won by almost 40 points by running the ball. This used to be America, where we don't have thought crimes and be guilty of something before you speak.

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. Sean Payton was suspended for a YEAR because he "should have known", and that quote is from Goodell. Google it if you don't believe me.

He could slap Brady with a year-long suspension with the same quote if he wants to.

I disagree. The Saints were warned and they investigated and found out that they were getting paid to injure players. Wells is claiming that it is probable that Brady knew about something that is just as probable as Brady knowing about it. Two different scenarios.