Green Bay won, but i felt we were the better team

[woolster22]

Logan Ryan was a liability covering Adams. He has been a liability for many games. All the QBs target him.

Who are you picking on? Revis, Browner, or Ryan? Lol guy, get it together.

 

[woolster22]

lol We were outgained in the air and on the ground.We were also outcoached with the play calling on both side, Packers was much better.We need chandler jones back,Rodgers had several minutes to throw in his comfy pocket. We looked like a finesse team, just like the packers.The good news is only the chargers matters now, i wanna see more toughness and it starts in San Diego.

Two words, mobile quarterback.

That said, McD must have been concussed, bolden over gray? How many carries for vereen? He did the right thing against Indy, but I'm starting to think that was BB firmly planting a shoe in a dark place. Why not hammer the rock with Blount and gray against the 30th ranked run d? Pass all day and Tim Wright watches most of the game from the sidelines. Dobson goes down and Tyms was where? The offensive game plan was a throwback to KC.

It's almost as if BB was steering the ship, got through the majority of iceburgs, and turned the wheel over to McDaniels. What did McDaniels do? Well, that genius fool turned the wheel half a spin towards the run game, unfortunately he threw the prop (personnel decisions) half a click in reverse, effectively b-lining straight into the GB iceberg.

There is no reason the offense should have looked as mediocre as they did. Bolden?! There's a reason that juiced up hack only sees the field on ST's. FFS guy.

According to ESPN, bolden and vereen ran three times each. That doesn't sound bad until you consider we only ran seventeen times. Was it be or was every vereen run a damn foolish play call? I'd hazard a guess that each vereen rush coincided with a drive ending in a punt. But what do I know. Hell, if bolden broke a rush for 12 yards, would blount have taken it the distance? Who is more explosive? Hell, grays four yard carry seemed to be a solid, move some bodies and hit the collapsed hole, chicken salad out of chicken **** variety. But obviously mcdouche had to air it out, and make sure "his guys" (amendola, figures autocorrect wanted mendoza, and hooman) were in for the failed crunch time. Plus he threw out a clearly hobbled Edes on third and fourth down. Plenty of time to take it to their horrible run defense Josh, but keep up the passing game with a hurt Edes, LaFell coming if a shoulder injury, and okay right into a dline that has been teeing off on the pass all game.

Hell, the run game just wasn't cutting it. We only rushed for 85 yards on seventeen carries, and that includes Vereen's 3 for six. SMFH

 

[woolster22]

This, Green Bay dominated, especially in the 1st half. Nice 2nd half adjustment defensively, but the offense didn't adjust in the 2nd half, for the highest scoring offense to only score 7 points is was a big reason why we lost. The better team won, period. Time of possession, yardage, and final score were all in the Packers favor. Now if we out gained them 500 yards to 200 yards, and we lost on a missed field goal, then I'd agree the better team lost.

17 for 85, terrible play selection. Blount went 10 for 58.

Good thing we threw 35 times in that blow out.

O, ****, we were never down more than two scores. Oops.

Mcdummy strikes again!

 

[woolster22]

Green Bay deserved that win - they made their third down conversions (easilly) and the Patriots did not - 'nuff said

But losing by 6 to GB at Lambeau Field FEELS like a victory to me

Let's put it this way - if that game were on neutral ground for the SB I feel like the Pats would have won

We are not the jets.

Although it did look like Rex was calling our offense.

 

[woolster22]

given the game he played and that he was still on the field on the last meaningful play of the game and failed to defend the first down catch, tells me that the pats were never all that intent on winning this game

I mean they try to win every game, but they played the game not to show much and they succeeded

the icing on the cake was brady's f-bomb dance on the sideline......looked a little scripted to me

You are better than this.

 

[woolster22]

I'm both confused and disappointed in regards to Alfonzo Dennard.

Getting tossed to the ground for a third down conversion early will screw up an undersized physical corner...

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Correct


I think our D did a good job *as good as you can hope for* keeping the packers out of the endzone.. But that is the only area they did a good job with. The other really important area they did absolutely terrible in was 3rd down. They just couldn't get that one big stop we needed. That is something I was counting on going into this game. Our defense being better than green bays. They let me down a little bit.

The D did a great job...let's not forget that the other guys were pretty darn good . This wasn't Luck or Stafford or Manning in the cold...it was Rodgers and a slew of weapons on their home turf.

The only measure of a D that matters is points allowed, IMO. Two TD's to Rodgers, Nelson and Cobb is an accomplishment under any circumstances; when you're on the field for nearly 2/3 of the game, I'll still call it remarkable.

The Pats and Packers had the same number of drives (nine). Green Bay had a (relatively) balanced attack with 38 passes and 29 rushes; the Pats threw 35 times and ran 18 times, against the #30 of 32 run D's in the League. The D was gassed.

 

[PatCat]

We lost a battle, we will win if there is a war. It was pretty much a game we wanted to win and a game they had to win hence the close score with the more desperate team edging the hungry but not so desperate team. We still control our destiny as far as the afc is concerned.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Yes, but the defense was on the field for 36 minutes in part because they couldn't get GB off the field on 3rd down. The offense having some short drives had something to do with it, too, but the defense doesn't completely get a free pass.

Of course, no one gets a free pass in a close loss. There is always something that someone could have done at some time to make a difference. Granted.

But, the final measure of a Defense that matters in the end is the points that the other guys put on the board that are not the result of turnovers. In this case, the Pat's D gets more than a "pass" in my book for limiting the Packers to 26 points (two TD's) when they averaged 47 points in their last four Home games.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

Maybe this is just because I'm a Patriots homer, but since the Brady and Belichick era started I've always felt like we were the better team, that if we play our best we can beat any team playing their best.

I feel like this loss is squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff. I think they had a terrible game plan. Not sticking with the run was inexcusable when you're facing a run D as bad as the Packers have, in their house with a QB like Aaron Rodgers on the other side.

We just got slaughtered in TOP and we lost by 5 points. If it's anywhere close to even we win this game. I'm not sayin we'd have blown the Packers out of the water, but we'd be 10-2 and not have to worry so much about San Diego this week.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

The D did a great job...let's not forget that the other guys were pretty darn good . This wasn't Luck or Stafford or Manning in the cold...it was Rodgers and a slew of weapons on their home turf.

The only measure of a D that matters is points allowed, IMO. Two TD's to Rodgers, Nelson and Cobb is an accomplishment under any circumstances; when you're on the field for nearly 2/3 of the game, I'll still call it remarkable.

The Pats and Packers had the same number of drives (nine). Green Bay had a (relatively) balanced attack with 38 passes and 29 rushes; the Pats threw 35 times and ran 18 times, against the #30 of 32 run D's in the League. The D was gassed.

I disagree, when you let the other team completely control the game and the clock and you constantly fail to get off of 3rd down all day, you didn't do a great job. Regardless of who it was, I don't think they did a great job at all.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I disagree, when you let the other team completely control the game and the clock and you constantly fail to get off of 3rd down all day, you didn't do a great job. Regardless of who it was, I don't think they did a great job at all.

As the old saying goes, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Now, we're "On to San Diego."

 

[supafly]

Getting tossed to the ground for a third down conversion early will screw up an undersized physical corner...

While that's a fair point, I think it's gone much further than that when you take into account the fact that he had been a healthy scratch for several weeks with Malcolm Butler leaping him in the depth chart. It's actually something we may end up seeing again.

If it's a confidence thing as you suggest, then it seemed to have happened a long time ago--much earlier in the season.

 

[supafly]

I disagree, when you let the other team completely control the game and the clock and you constantly fail to get off of 3rd down all day, you didn't do a great job. Regardless of who it was, I don't think they did a great job at all.

As the old saying goes, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Now, we're "On to San Diego."

I actually think you're both right. I can see the point of the good defensive performance, seeing as how they held the Packers to 3 points in the second half, while also forcing them to an 0 for 4 red zone conversion rate. Those are obviously impressive feats.

On the other hand, their 3rd down conversion rate defensively speaking, was terrible. They also allowed Rodgers to throw the ball at will for almost 400 yards on the day, as he found his 3rd and 4th options. The big play to Jordy Nelson obviously hurt tremendously as well. Those are all things that need to be improved upon, not to mention the horrible disparity in TOP with Green Bay controlling the clock for over 36 minutes. You aren't going to win many games that way, statistically speaking.

 

[1960Pats]

Two words, mobile quarterback.

That said, McD must have been concussed, bolden over gray? How many carries for vereen? He did the right thing against Indy, but I'm starting to think that was BB firmly planting a shoe in a dark place. Why not hammer the rock with Blount and gray against the 30th ranked run d? Pass all day and Tim Wright watches most of the game from the sidelines. Dobson goes down and Tyms was where? The offensive game plan was a throwback to KC.

It's almost as if BB was steering the ship, got through the majority of iceburgs, and turned the wheel over to McDaniels. What did McDaniels do? Well, that genius fool turned the wheel half a spin towards the run game, unfortunately he threw the prop (personnel decisions) half a click in reverse, effectively b-lining straight into the GB iceberg.

There is no reason the offense should have looked as mediocre as they did. Bolden?! There's a reason that juiced up hack only sees the field on ST's. FFS guy.

According to ESPN, bolden and vereen ran three times each. That doesn't sound bad until you consider we only ran seventeen times. Was it be or was every vereen run a damn foolish play call? I'd hazard a guess that each vereen rush coincided with a drive ending in a punt. But what do I know. Hell, if bolden broke a rush for 12 yards, would blount have taken it the distance? Who is more explosive? Hell, grays four yard carry seemed to be a solid, move some bodies and hit the collapsed hole, chicken salad out of chicken **** variety. But obviously mcdouche had to air it out, and make sure "his guys" (amendola, figures autocorrect wanted mendoza, and hooman) were in for the failed crunch time. Plus he threw out a clearly hobbled Edes on third and fourth down. Plenty of time to take it to their horrible run defense Josh, but keep up the passing game with a hurt Edes, LaFell coming if a shoulder injury, and okay right into a dline that has been teeing off on the pass all game.

Hell, the run game just wasn't cutting it. We only rushed for 85 yards on seventeen carries, and that includes Vereen's 3 for six. SMFH

One simple fact. The more the Pats run the more they win.

Yet, we keep seeing losses like this where they totally abandon the running game and lose. The worst part is that this time they were pretty successful but still ignored it.

After years of seeing the Pats go pass-happy and lose against teams that suck against the run, I've become tired of cyberspeaking up about it here. So tired.

 

[supafly]

I obviously agree with those who point to the lower number of runs as an issue sometimes, but I didn't see that as much on Sunday, considering that they were down pretty early 13-0.

Had that not occurred (or the Jordy Nelson TD catch going into the half when we stormed back to make it a 16-14 deficit), then we'd likely have seen more running plays. McDaniels spoke on this during his conference call with the media yesterday.

The reality is that we were in a fine position to win had Gronkowski come down with that touchdown catch with 3 minutes to go, and were able to come back on 2 different occasions by way of the passing game.

 

[supafly]

Who are you picking on? Revis, Browner, or Ryan?

Another very fair point, woolster, but L.Ryan has got to start playing better regardless of who the QB is going to target more times.

You're only as strong as your weakest link, and so far L.Ryan has been a fairly consistent weak link in an otherwise strong secondary.

The good news is that only a small number of QBs can end up being as successful as Rodgers was when targeting his 3rd-5th options, but the bad news is that having a liability in coverage like Ryan may eventually cost us if he doesn't turn things around.

 

[BobDigital]

I think this game was very revealing for both teams. I think if the Patriots play them again in a neutral site they will probably be likely to win.

Arrington being out really hurt it seems. They would have been better off with him covering the 3rd option and Ryan/Dennard did not seem up to it. If he was healthy and in on most of the snaps like usual GB converts a few less 3rd downs and drives stall giving our O a few more chances.

Also the line had poor execution period. The Pats got more sacks but the Pack got more pressure. The OL has done better against superior fronts and so i think it was just a bad game. They can and should do better. As for getting pressure on the Packers the answer is Jones being healthy. Even when he is back i don't think he will effect the game THAT drastically a few more pressures though. I think BB plays the same way. Contain Rodgers in the pocket and collapse it while depending on his coverage with 7 men on 3 or 4.

The key thing to me is BB needs to find a way to deal with Cobb. Nelson had a big play but that was about it. Cobb was used a variety of ways and the Pats were not able to deal with it. A lot of out of the backfield and plays to force him on a LB. The Patriots need to tweek it so Nink is never on Cobb again.

If they do these 3 things they will stand a much better chance. Point is it was a close game.

Packers gave us (IMO) their A- game and we game them our B game. If we play again and play equally well with better health the Pats would probably win. However i don't think the Packers makc the SB unless they get the #1 seed.

 

[The Brandon Five]

I would feel so much better about a rematch if we had any semblance of a third wide receiver. I don't care who, just somebody. People say Amendola is Edelman's insurance but he did nothing even when Edelman was clearly hurting. Outside of special teams, it is like he isn't even on the team. No reverses, bubble screens, or anything much outside of blocking. I think Tyms could be our number three but at this point I would even settle for Slater.

They did try a bubble screen. Vereen dropped it (again).

 

[woolster22]

While that's a fair point, I think it's gone much further than that when you take into account the fact that he had been a healthy scratch for several weeks with Malcolm Butler leaping him in the depth chart. It's actually something we may end up seeing again.

If it's a confidence thing as you suggest, then it seemed to have happened a long time ago--much earlier in the season.

Hasn't he been fighting a nagging injury? If memory serves, he had shoulder surgery in the offseason. Rehab may be tough in a prison cell...