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I don't think Mankins was missed that much unless they moved him to RT and put him on Cameron Wake who had Vollmer for lunch. The Pats could have easily won without Mankins yesterday if people outside of the LG position did their job.
I didn't like that Kelly was cut, but he asked for his release. It is a tough issue. Do you keep a disgruntled veteran on the roster who you only intend to use in certain role who could poison the locker room or do you respect his wish to let him go to find a place where he can get more playing time. I don't know if it is an easy answer. I probably would have kept him, but knowing he asked for his release, I don't think it is cut and dry.
As for the d-line in general, I hate that they are doing a 3-4 especially with smaller guys like Chandler Jones and Dominque Easley playing DE in a 3-4. I think if you are going with small quick guys like that inside, you go with a four man front. Now if Jones is playing OLB (like he did in the preseason), then I don't mind it as much. I may give them another week with hopefully Chris Jones returning and Siliga being another week healed, but I think the formation based on the personnel was a bigger issue than missing Kelly.
As for Amendola, he wasn't the reason the offense sputtered either. Brady spread the ball around quite a bit yesterday in the first half. It is funny. Everyone in the game thread were talking about all the weapons Brady had in the first half. I know Amendola is viewed as the Welker replacement and the expectations are higher or him (or at least the hate when he doesn't produce is greater), but if Edelman and Gronk are drawing a lot attention guys like Thompkins and Vereen should be open too. No one stepped up when Gronk and Edelman disappeared, not just Amendola.
BTW, I think Edelman was injured in the first half and that was why he disappeared in the second half.
I am done talking about Deus in this thread. So I will just reiterate that we just have different points of view.
I go back and forth on this issue. It's not like going from 40s to 80s in November. They just finished summer training camp. Yet, they DID look slow and gassed in the second half. Hell, half the stadium was empty the whole game so the fans even have trouble handling it.EVERY team struggles in South Florida early in a season. Seriously, I live in CT and I'm in reasonably good shape, and I'm pouring with sweat if I walk up a midsized flight of stairs on a 90 degree 90% humidity day. And we're all shocked we lost because our fattest guys (linemen, both sides of the ball) couldn't handle it for a full 3 hours against a very talented squad playing in home conditions?
Stevie Johnson, of all people, used to kill Revis. Moss and Welker had their moments too. No player is infallible.
I go back and forth on this issue. It's not like going from 40s to 80s in November. They just finished summer training camp. Yet, they DID look slow and gassed in the second half. Hell, half the stadium was empty the whole game so the fans even have trouble handling it.
That's reasonable enough, and i don't really disagree with it that much. I agree that the rest of the OL sucked but they could have used Mankins and he was missed imo, however I still agree with the trade even though it won't pay off unless they use that cash to get important deals done. I agree on the base defense and really don't understand what Belichick is thinking drafting easely and then going 3-4. This is a 4-3 defense if I ever saw one in terms of personel and going 3-4 with it is as puzzling as anything I have ever seen them do. I also agree on what happened with the receivers and think the Amendola bashing is idiotic even if his performance yesterday was less than stellar, you can only catch what they throw at you but Amendola has to make them want to go to him as much as possible.
As far as Deus goes I don't like it when he''s grinding an agenda and i don't like the agenda driven posts at all regardless of who is creating them but imo that post was an accurate take on that game, i agreed with most of it and didn't get any sense he was trying to force an agenda on us, unlike those trashing Amendola..
Does not matter if Tom Brady is on his back due to a porous offensive line.As for the trade, there is a number of ways the trade could pay off. What if Wright becomes a solid weapon for Brady once he becomes more acclimated?
i dont see how that video is relevant.....chad rounded off a route instead of making a sharp cut.....it says nothing of how well the CB was staying with him if he went deep....or what the FS was doing
i suppose the larger point is whether the offense is about just reading the defense the same as brady, regardless of what the defenders are doing
if thats the case, then it is literally impossible for brady to make a wrong read.......i doubt that is the way it is set up by BB and JM........but i could be wrong
Does not matter if Tom Brady is on his back due to a porous offensive line.
Does not matter if Tom Brady is on his back due to a porous offensive line.
Jordan Devey just plain sucks at offensive guard and at best should be the fourth offensive tackle inactive for the vast majority of games (refer to Will Svitek circa 2013).
The 3-4 defensive alignment needs to be scrapped immediately. Run defense? What run defense?
Again, what did the loss of Mankins have to do with the fact that both Vollmer and Solder were getting beat outside one on one?
Just for whatever it's worth, Kelly and his agent asked NE and Belichick for the release...it wasn't Belichick deciding to move on from Kelly.
We discussed this at length in another thread in the middle of last week, and a couple of posters including @RayClay cited articles that quoted Tommy Kelly as describing a problem with the fact that "I'm starting, yet they kept taking me out for some reason as well."
It sounded to me and @Oswlek (very clearly, actually) that when Kelly agreed to a restructure in the spring, there were some incentivized escalators thrown in, and that he feared that Belichick was purposely holding him out of reaching those escalators by not allowing him to play enough snaps/reps by the end of the season.
Kelly even made mention of the contract situation by saying "there was the deal with the contract," which certainly sounded like he felt that Belichick didn't want him to play a certain number of snaps in the 2014 season. Kelly claims that "he called his agent" and asked for his release.
Whether or not you decide to buy into @Oswlek and my belief that he asked to be released due to the escalators in his contract and the fear that he was being replaced/rotated too much to reach his possible incentives, he definitely, 100%, without a doubt asked to be released from the NE Patriots as a couple of articles stated (they were from his new team/city in ARZ). There were direct quotes from Tommy Kelly stating such, and stating that he immediately called his agent and asked to be released. This wasn't on Belichick. This was on Tommy Kelly's decision, although Kelly definitely felt as though he was being wronged by not being allowed to play as much as he wanted.
If that's the prevailing thought, it's time to draft a brand new offensive line.Again, what did the loss of Mankins have to do with the fact that both Vollmer and Solder were getting beat outside one on one?
It's a timing offense. Brady does not wait to see what the receivers do before throwing the ball. The ball goes where Brady's read says. What possible other criterion for reading the defense correctly could there be, except ending up where the ball is, and headed to where the play was intended to go.
Maybe I'm missing something.
It is possible for Brady to make a bad read, in which case, it is the receivers job to get to that spot despite the defense, if only to break up an interception. There is no right read that puts you someplace other than where the ball is, since the ball is thrown to a spot at a certain time, not to a receiver.
One of sacks allowed was having a tight end try to block Cameron Wake while the running back failed to chip the aforementioned defensive end. That's scheme and not the fault of Vollmer.Again, what did the loss of Mankins have to do with the fact that both Vollmer and Solder were getting beat outside one on one?
If that's the prevailing thought, it's time to draft a brand new offensive line.