Cato June signs with Bucs

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=51165

Your entire premise in that thread was GARBAGE. We all know that the Pats are human and that Belichick and Pioli are not gods. And no one asked you to lean towards the "pats side" every single time. But you sure as hell aren't OPEN MINDED when you spew that sort of garbage. Calling the head coach a JERK because he played a WR on special teams is hardly being open minded. In fact, its pretty CLOSED minded.

You got blasted in that thread because you showed that you aren't nearly as smart as you claim and you seem to have a personal axe to grind against Belichick.

That's why it was garbage. That's why you got laughed at and blasted.

Sorry, that's how I felt and still feel now. They should not have played Chad Jackson on special teams. If you trade up in the second round for a guy to play special teams then I don't know what to tell you. The Vikings are just as stupid, putting Chad Greenway on special teams and he ended up on I.R. before the season started.

 

[patsgo]

Sorry, that's how I felt and still feel now. They should not have played Chad Jackson on special teams. If you trade up in the second round for a guy to play special teams then I don't know what to tell you. The Vikings are just as stupid, putting Chad Greenway on special teams and he ended up on I.R. before the season started.

dah, jackson doesnt start so you just let him sit on the bench? do the math you can only dress 45 guys, if you dont understand football you shouldnt post here

 

[kolbitr]

This off season is no different than years past. Go look. I would by no means put June in the same group as Law, Miloy, AV and all.

Nor would I. June is neither that good, nor that central.

That being said, none of those situations were the same, either.

 

[Miguel]

But that isn't what I said. And I made sure that I chose my words carefully. I said that maybe if you spent the same amount of time TALKING about the Pats as you do the Colts, people wouldn't question your loyalties. All that says is that it comes across as you talking about the Colts more than the Patriots.

I spend far more talking about the Patriots than I do the Colts. If anyone thinks differently, then they can do a search on my 2000 plus posts that I have made. You can say differently but I know the truth of the matter.

I talk about the cap all the time. I answer questions about the cap/free agency all the time.

 

[skaIownsIyou]

some say june is overrated but imo...he is a big loss because he knows and understands the dungy cover 2 system...june is now in his prime at 27...

june did is know more for a cover guy than run stopped but he was tied for 5th on the leading total tackles list in the NFL....with donnie edwards and brian urlacher...granted, i'm sure opposing teams might have run at him more than say the other side...

of course, replacing players is a part of the game, but losing your leading tackler, is imo a key loss...overrated or not...

but also, whether the loss of june will prove to be beneficial or devsatating is yet to be seen, the colts run defense, (as well as their pass coverage) could get worse, or maybe scouts can pick out a new "demeco ryans" in the upcoming draft and this new lb will come in 2nd in the league in tackles....

if anything, this only benefits the pats....

because now if you think about it, since june was a coverage lb, with his departure, that'll open up more holes in the box for short drop offs, or into the colts secondary, and maybe the colts' keiho or the colts draft a tackling lb, they'll have to do a lot of studying because they wont know how to play against tom brady as well as june does

 

[Miguel]

I spend far more talking about the Patriots than I do the Colts. If anyone thinks differently, then they can do a search on my 2000 plus posts that I have made. You can say differently but I know the truth of the matter.

I talk about the cap all the time. I answer questions about the cap/free agency all the time.

I have made 2875 posts on this forum. Are you saying that more than 50% of them are about the Colts??

 

[kolbitr]

I have made 2875 posts on this forum. Are you saying that more than 50% of them are about the Colts??

Clearly we are veering OT...

I am not sure why anyone needs to be defending (or attacking) any poster's 'loyalty' on this board. Such tactics, despite their intentions (which I don't know), sound a gloomy Cold War bell. Surely a venerable poster such as Miguel, whose posts, despite their frequently enigmatic (even Delphic) tone, are always information-laden and founded in his seemingly meticulous and exhaustive gathering of financial data, has earned worthier ripostes than that.

 

[danny88]

We have to remember, as bad as the Colts defense was last year, the Pats still couldn't beat them. The Colts defense was amoung the worst last year, it can only get better. So for the people that are questioning whether Manning can put his team on his shoulders, take a look at what he did last year.

The patriots scored 34 points against that defense in the afc game. The colts defense had nothing to do with our defense melting down, and the colts catching a few key breaks on calls and penalties.

 

[makewayhomer]

Clearly we are veering OT...

I am not sure why anyone needs to be defending (or attacking) any poster's 'loyalty' on this board. Such tactics, despite their intentions (which I don't know), sound a gloomy Cold War bell. Surely a venerable poster such as Miguel, whose posts, despite their frequently enigmatic (even Delphic) tone, are always information-laden and founded in his seemingly meticulous and exhaustive gathering of financial data, has earned worthier ripostes than that.

besides the fact that 'loyalty' is an idiotic thing to be questioning. the best analysis is not going to come from pom-pom faving homers.

 

[RyanTheColtsFan]

Addai was the replacement for James. Rhodes was already on the team.

Also, I'd like to point out that the Colts used Rhodes primarily as a 2nd half threat and Addai as a 1st half threat.

Now, Addai has to carry the load and there isn't anyone of note behind him.

For 16 games, Rhodes was the first half thread. He was the starter.

This thread is hilarious. June made so many tackles from behind because he missed the RB on his first try. He is not a loss.

 

[PatsMyBoyz!]

This off season is no different than years past. Go look. I would by no means put June in the same group as Law, Miloy, AV and all.

Nor would I-ever-and that wasn't my point. My point was that you fans are claiming no big deal when your publications (including fan reactions) would contradict that stance. From your own Indy Star:

March 18, 2007

June heads to Tampa Bay
Ex-Pro Bowl pick becomes Colts' 3rd prominent loss in free agency
By Mike Chappell
[email protected]

Another hole must be filled on the Indianapolis Colts' defense on the heels of linebacker Cato June's departure to Tampa Bay.


June, a three-year weak-side starter and 2005 Pro Bowl selection, agreed Saturday to a three-year contract with the Bucs, according to agent Brian Mackler.
"Cato really wanted to stay (in Indy), and I know how badly they wanted him,'' Mackler said. "It just didn't work out.''
June, 27, is the second defensive starter and third prominent player lost by the Super Bowl champions since the NFL's veteran free agent market opened earlier this month. Starting cornerback Nick Harper signed with AFC South rival Tennessee, while running back Dominic Rhodes signed with the Oakland Raiders.
June's loss might be the toughest to deal with, considering the makeup of the linebacker position.
Starting middle linebacker Gary Brackett returns, as will veteran Rob Morris, who was re-signed recently after he became an unrestricted free agent last month. Morris' value to the defense was evident late last season when the former starting middle linebacker took over for an ineffective Gilbert Gardner as the strong-side starter.
The rest of the group, though, is unproven. That starts with Gardner, who had 66 tackles in 12 regular-season starts before being replaced by Morris. The other prospects include Freddy Keiaho, a 2006 third-round draft pick; Tyjuan Hagler, a fifth-round pick in '05; Keith O'Neil, who primarily has been a special teams contributor; and recent free agent pickups Brandon Hoyte and Mike Labinjo.
The Colts might attempt to strengthen the position during the April 28-29 draft -- they hold the 32nd overall pick -- or by signing a veteran prior to the start of training camp in late July.
June's departure extends a talent-draining trend at linebacker. Previous free agent losses by the Colts include Mike Peterson (to Jacksonville in '03), Marcus Washington (to Washington in '04) and David Thornton (to Tennessee in '06).

*** In conclusion,there's also a new headline stating they've added LB Mike Labinjo.

 

[workhorse]

Nor would I-ever-and that wasn't my point. My point was that you fans are claiming no big deal when your publications (including fan reactions) would contradict that stance. From your own Indy Star:

March 18, 2007

June heads to Tampa Bay
Ex-Pro Bowl pick becomes Colts' 3rd prominent loss in free agency
By Mike Chappell
[email protected]

Another hole must be filled on the Indianapolis Colts' defense on the heels of linebacker Cato June's departure to Tampa Bay.


June, a three-year weak-side starter and 2005 Pro Bowl selection, agreed Saturday to a three-year contract with the Bucs, according to agent Brian Mackler.
"Cato really wanted to stay (in Indy), and I know how badly they wanted him,'' Mackler said. "It just didn't work out.''
June, 27, is the second defensive starter and third prominent player lost by the Super Bowl champions since the NFL's veteran free agent market opened earlier this month. Starting cornerback Nick Harper signed with AFC South rival Tennessee, while running back Dominic Rhodes signed with the Oakland Raiders.
June's loss might be the toughest to deal with, considering the makeup of the linebacker position.
Starting middle linebacker Gary Brackett returns, as will veteran Rob Morris, who was re-signed recently after he became an unrestricted free agent last month. Morris' value to the defense was evident late last season when the former starting middle linebacker took over for an ineffective Gilbert Gardner as the strong-side starter.
The rest of the group, though, is unproven. That starts with Gardner, who had 66 tackles in 12 regular-season starts before being replaced by Morris. The other prospects include Freddy Keiaho, a 2006 third-round draft pick; Tyjuan Hagler, a fifth-round pick in '05; Keith O'Neil, who primarily has been a special teams contributor; and recent free agent pickups Brandon Hoyte and Mike Labinjo.
The Colts might attempt to strengthen the position during the April 28-29 draft -- they hold the 32nd overall pick -- or by signing a veteran prior to the start of training camp in late July.
June's departure extends a talent-draining trend at linebacker. Previous free agent losses by the Colts include Mike Peterson (to Jacksonville in '03), Marcus Washington (to Washington in '04) and David Thornton (to Tennessee in '06).

*** In conclusion,there's also a new headline stating they've added LB Mike Labinjo.

I've said all that before, I just didn't use the same words. Cato was an unknown when they started him. Colts fans have seen some flashes of what Freddy can do. Actually so have most Pats fans. As I stated before, Cato is not the best linebacker that they have let walk recently. The Colts management seems to feel pretty confident in their ability to reload at linebacker. The Colts will miss Cato, mainly in coverage, but it's not the back breaker for their defense.

 

[coltsfan]

I'm just getting in after being out yesterday so I haven't gotten to respond to any of the Patriot fans' posts yet, but I just noticed 'PatsMyBoyz' has quoted Chappell from the Star twice as if that means something. If you've paid attention to the Colts at all over the years, you would see that the Star's coverage of the Colts is minor league at best. Their is no type of professional insight there at all, or in depth football knowledge. In other words, what they post doesn't mean jack squat.

 

[coltsfan]

If just one of at least a half-dozen teams, incl. all 3 AFC playoff opponents, had closed the deal when given the opportunity, then the dispicable, disgusting, disgraceful dolts would not be champions today. Instead, this offseason would have been spent by napolian, dungheap and payaton answering, yet again, more questions about their well-deserved reputations as thoroughly unlikable and unworthy wastes of DNA. Every breath they take is oxygen that another human being could put to better use.

lol, I'll give you Polian as unlikeable, but Patriot fans are the only people I could imagine that think Dungy is unlikeable. And the only people that say that about Peyton are really kind of ignorant.

 

[coltsfan]

EDIT: Other pertinent comments within the article but apparently Indy fans/media are concerned about the cuts as well. Notice how they allude to the Pats' moves.

Is that supposed to mean something? Other fans aren't concerned.

 

[coltsfan]

When you're in on a tackle at the 30, and the player doesn't go down until the 20, you can't tackle worth a ****.

exactly. I look for Freddy Keiaho to be an upgrade, the Colts seem to be really high on him.

 

[coltsfan]

If I were a Colt fan I'd be concerned,mainly because the moves seem more reactionary and so far there's been no evidence of building or a plan. I'm not saying things won't work out,but I'm saying I'd be concerned for this year.

Huh, the Colts already have their replacements on the roster in Keiaho and Hayden/Jackson. You can find a complimentary RB in the middle rounds of the draft. The only thing reactionary is the people that are trippin' about these losses.

 

[makewayhomer]

exactly. I look for Freddy Keiaho to be an upgrade, the Colts seem to be really high on him.

he was healthy all last year and didn't play much. I doubt he will be an upgrade this year, although in the future it's possible.

 

[coltsfan]

he was healthy all last year and didn't play much. I doubt he will be an upgrade this year, although in the future it's possible.

The Colts don't play rookies very much, nor do most teams bench decent players for them.

Anyway, I haven't seen Keiaho enough to personally comment on him. But the Colts don't offer praise to many unproven guys like they have with this guy. The Colts' LB coach compared him to Bob Sanders during Superbowl week, and Dungy talked of him as Cato's successor even before he left in free agency.

 

[makewayhomer]

The Colts don't play rookies very much, nor do most teams bench decent players for them.

Anyway, I haven't seen Keiaho enough to personally comment on him. But the Colts don't offer praise to many unproven guys like they have with this guy. The Colts' LB coach compared him to Bob Sanders during Superbowl week, and Dungy talked of him as Cato's successor even before he left in free agency.

Kieaho got benched for playing poorly in favor of Morris.

if he was as good or better than June, considering how bad the Colts defense was for most of last year, then why didn't he play?

actions speak louder than words, I wouldn't trust what Dungy has to say about him I would trust what Dungy did do with him