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I know from my previous posts that people were looking forward to seeing my take on the TE position, so here it is. As always, I hope this sparks some good conversations and debate. I am sure most will not have to look further than my #3 TE for that.

Tight End Rankings and Evaluations:​
#1. Eric Ebron, UNC:
Positives: Great size and speed for the position. A matchup nightmare. Can lineup on the line or split out wide. Very good blocker. Has large catch radius and presents a big target for QB.
Negatives: Needs to be more physical and learn to use his size to his advantage more. Lack of focus led to some easy drops. Lacks aggressiveness in his route running and catching in traffic.

#2. Jace Amaro, Texas Tech:
Positives: Tall, smooth, fluid route runner. Elite hands and speed to outrun defenders. An oversized WR that creates mismatches in passing game. Tough and willing to run routes over the middle and fight for the ball.
Negatives: Needs to add bulk to his frame. He needs to work on his blocking skills. Reports of some immaturity and attitude problems could be an issue.

#3. Colt Lyerla, Oregon:
Positives: Physical freak. Runs good routes and is clean in and out of breaks. Agile for a guy his size. Above average blocker who plays with a bit of a mean streak. Soft hands, large catch radius and creates a big target for his QB. Plays with attitude and toughness.
Negatives: Won’t be drafted as the #3 TE because of huge off field concerns that most who follow the draft already know about. Drugs, leaving school, not going to rehab and tough upbringing may lead to him getting drafted much later (if at all) than his on field talent would dictate. On the field, his attitude can be a negative as well when things aren’t going well. Has to learn to control his emotions better and keep his focus on the game.

#4. Austin Sefaran Jenkins, Washington:
Positives: Impressive size, soft hands, creates a big target. Agile for a guy his size. Large catch radius and a fluid route runner. Good acceleration.
Negatives: Inconsistent blocker (high sometimes, waist bender others) but did improve this last year. Not as physical as I would like for a guy with his size. Lacks top end speed.

#5. Troy Niklas, Notre Dame:
Positives: Dominating blocker, good size and athleticism. Soft hands, physical guy who can make tough catches in traffic.
Negatives: Route running needs work, was used on a limited basis in the passing game, but the tools seem to be there. Needs to continue to develop proper technique when running routes. Does not possess top end speed.

#6. C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa:
Positives: Good size, creates a big target. Great in line blocker and can get out in space and block as well. Reliable hands and makes tough plays in traffic. Tough, blue collar type of TE.
Negatives: Won’t wow you with athleticism or speed. Limited in his route running and rounds off his routes. A less athletic version of ASJ offensively and Niklas blocking.

#7. Xavier Grimble, USC
Positives: Good size for the position. Good blocker, squares up with defender and keeps contain. Good in and out of cuts. Can lineup on the line or out wide. Soft hands. Lots of upside potential.
Negatives: Multiple injuries are the big concern. Lacks elite speed and athleticism. Will need to work on route running.
#8. Richard Rogers, Cal.
Positives: Good burst off the line. Athletic frame, good hands, can make the tough catches in traffic. Good straight line speed, can create separation. Decent blocker who uses his athleticism to get to the next level when blocking on screens and quick throws.
Negatives: Does not have ideal build for a TE. Lacks bulk. More of a WR type. Blocking needs to continue to improve to be successful at the next level. Concentration could be an issue as he had his fair share of easy drops. Route tree was limited in his college scheme.

#9. Crockett Gilmore, Colorado St.
Positives: Good size with room to get bigger. Great blocker who blocks through the whistle. Like another Olineman. Soft hands and can make catches in traffic. Uses size to his advantage. Has upside.
Negatives: Not a great athlete. Lacks speed and burst to get off the line. Stiff in his routes, more of a plodder. Lacks ability to get separation on routes.

#10. Marcel Jensen, Fresno St.
Positives: Long arms, huge hands, large catch radius. Soft hands. Big upper body and uses it well to shield off defenders. Smooth running routes. Big target who was under used in college.
Negatives: inconsistent as a blocker. Needs to get his lower body stronger. A bit top heavy giving him balance issues both in the blocking game and his route running. Can get knocked down by smaller defenders when running routes.

Just missed:
A.C. Leonard, Tennessee State
Arthur Lynch, Georgia
Jo Don Duncan, Dixie St.
Jacob Peterson, Wisconsin
Rob Blanchflower, Umass
 
Another fine effort but more for me to disagree with this time.

1. I'm not sure how you can criticise ASJ's blocking and then refer to Niklas as a "dominating blocker". For me ASJ is by far the better blocker.

2. I do agree however that ASJ needs to get more physical. He looks like he easily could dominate at the LOS.

3. I really wasn't a fan of Amaro. Never lines up inline, runs limited routes and is an extremely linear athlete.

4. Good to see you have Marcel Jensen so high. I agree that he needs to improve his blocking. He's being underrated.

5. Arthur Lynch is one of the most overrated players in these parts. I'm glad you haven't rated him too highly.

Another excellent write up. Thank you.
 
Thanks manx.
I am shocked that this has gotten only one response. :(
 
Thanks manx.
I am shocked that this has gotten only one response. :(

As am I. Disappointed for you and the hard work you've put in. But this is a defense obsessed board this year. If you write about defense (safety/DT) I'm sure you'll get a response.

I promise that I'm enjoying your posts so keep plugging away.
 
Too bad about Lyerla, but I think coach Bill is all set on problemed TE's. Being busted with blow? Ouch.

I think Ebron, Amaro and ASJ are all gone by#29. If Niklas is around in Rd2 (doubt it) I could see us taking him. Fedorowicz would seem a more viable target. Besides Grimble and his injury history none of the rest would seem to be effective blockers, and no one trusts Gronk to stay healthy for a full 19 games.
 
As am I. Disappointed for you and the hard work you've put in. But this is a defense obsessed board this year. If you write about defense (safety/DT) I'm sure you'll get a response.

I think that's a little harsh. There's a thread exclusively devoted to the TE position with almost 200 posts in it. I appreciate the work that MWPF has done, but I just don't have anything more to say than I've already said (quite extensively) in that thread.
 
I think that's a little harsh. There's a thread exclusively devoted to the TE position with almost 200 posts in it. I appreciate the work that MWPF has done, but I just don't have anything more to say than I've already said (quite extensively) in that thread.

I think we should be encouraging these offerings. Midwest has clearly spent a lot of time scouting and the least he deserves is an acknowledgment on his hard work. I was disappointed that not one single person commented. We want more people involved in this forum and the lack of interest shown is only going to discourage Midwest and others.

As for the comment on defense, that was the only reason I could think to justify the lack of interest. It's not as though we don't have concurrent running threads all the time.
 
What about Ted bolser? Of Indiana fame.
 
As am I. Disappointed for you and the hard work you've put in. But this is a defense obsessed board this year. If you write about defense (safety/DT) I'm sure you'll get a response.

I promise that I'm enjoying your posts so keep plugging away.

Why do you keep taking popshots at the board? I was going to reply yesterday. Know why I didn't? Because I expected you to reply with "yes we know you don't like Amaro" so I figured I wouldn't since any reply I was going to make would include a paragraph on it.
 
I know from my previous posts that people were looking forward to seeing my take on the TE position, so here it is. As always, I hope this sparks some good conversations and debate. I am sure most will not have to look further than my #3 TE for that.

Tight End Rankings and Evaluations:​
#1. Eric Ebron, UNC:
Positives: Great size and speed for the position. A matchup nightmare. Can lineup on the line or split out wide. Very good blocker. Has large catch radius and presents a big target for QB.
Negatives: Needs to be more physical and learn to use his size to his advantage more. Lack of focus led to some easy drops. Lacks aggressiveness in his route running and catching in traffic.

#2. Jace Amaro, Texas Tech:
Positives: Tall, smooth, fluid route runner. Elite hands and speed to outrun defenders. An oversized WR that creates mismatches in passing game. Tough and willing to run routes over the middle and fight for the ball.
Negatives: Needs to add bulk to his frame. He needs to work on his blocking skills. Reports of some immaturity and attitude problems could be an issue.

#3. Colt Lyerla, Oregon:
Positives: Physical freak. Runs good routes and is clean in and out of breaks. Agile for a guy his size. Above average blocker who plays with a bit of a mean streak. Soft hands, large catch radius and creates a big target for his QB. Plays with attitude and toughness.
Negatives: Won’t be drafted as the #3 TE because of huge off field concerns that most who follow the draft already know about. Drugs, leaving school, not going to rehab and tough upbringing may lead to him getting drafted much later (if at all) than his on field talent would dictate. On the field, his attitude can be a negative as well when things aren’t going well. Has to learn to control his emotions better and keep his focus on the game.

#4. Austin Sefaran Jenkins, Washington:
Positives: Impressive size, soft hands, creates a big target. Agile for a guy his size. Large catch radius and a fluid route runner. Good acceleration.
Negatives: Inconsistent blocker (high sometimes, waist bender others) but did improve this last year. Not as physical as I would like for a guy with his size. Lacks top end speed.

#5. Troy Niklas, Notre Dame:
Positives: Dominating blocker, good size and athleticism. Soft hands, physical guy who can make tough catches in traffic.
Negatives: Route running needs work, was used on a limited basis in the passing game, but the tools seem to be there. Needs to continue to develop proper technique when running routes. Does not possess top end speed.

#6. C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa:
Positives: Good size, creates a big target. Great in line blocker and can get out in space and block as well. Reliable hands and makes tough plays in traffic. Tough, blue collar type of TE.
Negatives: Won’t wow you with athleticism or speed. Limited in his route running and rounds off his routes. A less athletic version of ASJ offensively and Niklas blocking.

#7. Xavier Grimble, USC
Positives: Good size for the position. Good blocker, squares up with defender and keeps contain. Good in and out of cuts. Can lineup on the line or out wide. Soft hands. Lots of upside potential.
Negatives: Multiple injuries are the big concern. Lacks elite speed and athleticism. Will need to work on route running.
#8. Richard Rogers, Cal.
Positives: Good burst off the line. Athletic frame, good hands, can make the tough catches in traffic. Good straight line speed, can create separation. Decent blocker who uses his athleticism to get to the next level when blocking on screens and quick throws.
Negatives: Does not have ideal build for a TE. Lacks bulk. More of a WR type. Blocking needs to continue to improve to be successful at the next level. Concentration could be an issue as he had his fair share of easy drops. Route tree was limited in his college scheme.

#9. Crockett Gilmore, Colorado St.
Positives: Good size with room to get bigger. Great blocker who blocks through the whistle. Like another Olineman. Soft hands and can make catches in traffic. Uses size to his advantage. Has upside.
Negatives: Not a great athlete. Lacks speed and burst to get off the line. Stiff in his routes, more of a plodder. Lacks ability to get separation on routes.

#10. Marcel Jensen, Fresno St.
Positives: Long arms, huge hands, large catch radius. Soft hands. Big upper body and uses it well to shield off defenders. Smooth running routes. Big target who was under used in college.
Negatives: inconsistent as a blocker. Needs to get his lower body stronger. A bit top heavy giving him balance issues both in the blocking game and his route running. Can get knocked down by smaller defenders when running routes.

Just missed:
A.C. Leonard, Tennessee State
Arthur Lynch, Georgia
Jo Don Duncan, Dixie St.
Jacob Peterson, Wisconsin
Rob Blanchflower, Umass

I think Jo Don Duncan is going to be a steal.
 
As am I. Disappointed for you and the hard work you've put in. But this is a defense obsessed board this year. If you write about defense (safety/DT) I'm sure you'll get a response.

I promise that I'm enjoying your posts so keep plugging away.

I personally just do not see the need to draft a tight end in the first 1-3 rounds of the draft. We have the best tight end in the game and I do not think he will miss any time in 2014 due to the knee injury, so to use a top pick on the position is not what I would do. I believe we need to replace Hernandez, and I think Trey Burton could be that player.

I would draft Duncan at #126 and Burton at #182 or #190, sign Scott Chandler and either try to sign Garrett Graham for cheap or retain Hoomanawanui.

The write up was excellent and I do appreciate the OP putting in the time.

Y-TE – Gronkowski, Chandler, Duncan
Flex-TE – Burton, Harrison
 
I hear TE: Xavier Grimble, USC is built like a Guard from the waist down tree trunk legs and all.:)
 
I personally just do not see the need to draft a tight end in the first 1-3 rounds of the draft. We have the best tight end in the game and I do not think he will miss any time in 2014 due to the knee injury, so to use a top pick on the position is not what I would do. I believe we need to replace Hernandez, and I think Trey Burton could be that player.

I would draft Duncan at #126 and Burton at #182 or #190, sign Scott Chandler and either try to sign Garrett Graham for cheap or retain Hoomanawanui.

The write up was excellent and I do appreciate the OP putting in the time.

Y-TE – Gronkowski, Chandler, Duncan
Flex-TE – Burton, Harrison

Big Scott Chandler fan here also...I dissagree with you passing on a TE in Rounds 2 or 3. Gronk's injury history scare me to say the least. I love Jon Joe Duncan also I think he's a potential steal.
 
USC 2013 interim HC Ed Orgeron on Grimble:

"I think Xavier is going to be an All-Pro in the NFL," Orgeron told FoxSports.com. "He has unusual body size for a tight end that looks like a left tackle. He can block, run and catch, and he's a great young man." [/url]

Ed Orgeron: USC TE Xavier Grimble will be an All-Pro in NFL - NFL.com

I read that, will be intruigued with his 40 time If he run 4.80 or better with his lower half. I would be tempted in the Round 2 especially where we are drafting.
 
I like Grimble but I love Niklas. He's the best TE in this draft bar Ebron. And that gap isn't as wide as people think.

He is a great blocker but he also has surprising athleticism. The key for me is that he seems to have great hands. Depending on how he tests I think he could be worth the 29th pick. Now I'm not sure I want to spend that pick on a TE...

If he's available at 61 I can't get that card in quick enough.
 
I like Grimble but I love Niklas. He's the best TE in this draft bar Ebron. And that gap isn't as wide as people think.

He is a great blocker but he also has surprising athleticism. The key for me is that he seems to have great hands. Depending on how he tests I think he could be worth the 29th pick. Now I'm not sure I want to spend that pick on a TE...

If he's available at 61 I can't get that card in quick enough.

Niklas is a very different prospect than Ebron. Right now there's a lot of "buzz" around him according to Daniel Jeremiah. We'll see how it all settles out.

Grimble could be a very good value pick as an in-line TE.
 
I think with Gronkowskis injury history it would be irresponsible to not upgrade the position through FA and the draft. While you're not going to find a replacement for his production in either FA or the draft we can't afford to go from A+ play to D- play with one bad break (literally and figuratively).
 
I think with Gronkowskis injury history it would be irresponsible to not upgrade the position through FA and the draft. While you're not going to find a replacement for his production in either FA or the draft we can't afford to go from A+ play to D- play with one bad break (literally and figuratively).
Mulligan = F play
 
I think the Gronk injury prone label is a little premature; he has just had two seasons with unlucky injuries. But, we absolutely need to take another TE to either pair/compliment with Gronk or to fill for him.

I think the main thing we need to do is upgrade the athleticism of our current batch of tight ends. Not a big fan of CJ. My preference would be ASJ, Amaro, or Nicklas. The more and more I watch Nicklas, the more impressed I am with his upside and ability.

Everything with BB is about value. I am wondering if we could potentially land both Hageman and ASJ/Nicklas in the draft.
 


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