Peyton Manning vrs Joe Montana.

[BritPat]

This place gets worse.

 

[varjao]

Ok, so Terry Bradshaw is better than TFB?

No but we are talking here about guys that have ringS, plural.

P.Manning doesn't belong to that department.

 

[Deus Irae]

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Even on TV, i have never heard a Manning vs Montana....there is no such thing, Montana is simply too great.

Brady is the only QB comparable to Montana.

 

[Snake Eyes]

No but we are talking here about guys that have ringS, plural.

P.Manning doesn't belong to that department.

I'll take Manning over Bradshaw any day of the week, your argument is invalid.

 

[PATS16N0]

I'll take Manning over Bradshaw any day of the week, your argument is invalid.

Well, I'll take Bradshaw, and history would favor me with more rings.

 

[Ring 6]

The dynasty 49ers would wipe the floor with any team tom brady has had and any team peyton has ever had.

Those 49ers were stacked on both sides of the ball.

The 49ers were 2-14 in both the year before Walsh arrived and Walsh's first year. They were 6-10 in Walshs second year, when Montana started 7 games. In Montanas first year as a starter they won the next season they won the SB.
That was not a good football team. Montana was the reason they won.
The second one was a little more talented.
Montanas teams also faced better competition.

 

[Galeb]

The 49ers were 2-14 in both the year before Walsh arrived and Walsh's first year. They were 6-10 in Walshs second year, when Montana started 7 games. In Montanas first year as a starter they won the next season they won the SB.
That was not a good football team. Montana was the reason they won.
The second one was a little more talented.
Montanas teams also faced better competition.

Wow, I'm surprised there is another poster that doesn't have coolguy on ignore.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Well, I'll take Bradshaw, and history would favor me with more rings.

Yeah, be sure to take Trent Dilfer over Marino

 

[PATS16N0]

Yeah, be sure to take Trent Dilfer over Marino

You have an unfortunate disregard for what it takes to attain four Superbowl rings. Winning four isn't like winning 2 (Ben, Eli level). Winning four is legendary as it pertains to the NFL. Terry Bradshaw is drastically underrated.

Terry Bradshaw was money when it mattered most. If I'm not mistaken he is 3rd all time for post season wins.

Then again, if your hypothetical organization was only interested in making bottom feeders look bad in September, Manning over Bradshaw is a pretty good decision.

 

[Ring 6]

EXACTLY MY POINT!

People forget that the very first year Marino hung up his boots, fans of the day still argued he was GOAT status due to his stats. "It was just a shame he never got that ring."

They did the same exact thing with Dan Fouts.

I know with both of them, and saw with Marino in particularly, that these GOAT arguments at the time were purely emotional attachment, and their presence in the GOAT discussions did not stand the test of time.

Stats always lose to rings in the long haul. Stats are only relevant to conversation while the players are playing. After retirement, they fade quickly from the conversation.

There were plenty of Marino Vrs Montana conversations back in the day, and plenty of people were on the side of Marino. Now, all these years later, nothing has changed about the ammunition that was used on each side.
The only thing that's changed is now the only people who actually say Marino are 60 year old jaded Dolphin fans.

It will be the same for Brady vrs Manning.

Time will erode Manning from the conversation.
Brady will remain forever.

This is very insightful. When Marino built his stats, he was considered the greatest. Then Favre eclipsed them and while his erratic style keep him from being considered in the GOAT conversation it knocked Marino out, and while Manning surpasses those Favre will become a footnote like Marino. The rings are much harder to surpass than stats in a game that favors the pass more and more each year.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I believe the Goat discussion has evolved. In the past ,you needed only rings, now in order to be truly the greatest, you need to have the most rings and the most Stats. Brady is the most balanced of the bunch, but even he needs additional Superbowls in order to be the undisputed king.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The dynasty 49ers would wipe the floor with any team tom brady has had and any team peyton has ever had.

Those 49ers were stacked on both sides of the ball.

Also,

Joe Montana SB line
11 TD passes ZERO INTS in 4 SBs. That's just insane. Best SB QB I've ever seen, period. Nobody cooler, ice water in his veins.

 

[Jangles]

What is the point of this thread?

Is this a Patriots forum or a Peyton Manning isn't that impressive because of a variety of reasons forum

 

[Galeb]

I believe the Goat discussion has evolved. In the past ,you needed only rings, now in order to be truly the greatest, you need to have the most rings and the most Stats. Brady is the most balanced of the bunch, but even he needs additional Superbowls in order to be the undisputed king.

He may need 2 more to be undisputed. Montana was pretty amazing.

 

[PATS16N0]

What is the point of this thread?

Is this a Patriots forum or a Peyton Manning isn't that impressive because of a variety of reasons forum

Demonstrating that Peyton Manning only gets into the GOAT discussion by riding into it on Tom Brady's shoulders. Read OP. It isn't that hard.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Patriots fan but my eye test tells me it's Montana. No doubt in my mind. Not sure why people even care though. It's not like it matters to anyone but yourself. If you think your guy was the best, God bless.

 

[Jangles]

Demonstrating that Peyton Manning only gets into the GOAT discussion by riding into it on Tom Brady's shoulders. Read OP. It isn't that hard.

That's nonsense, and any reasonable football fan knows it.

This thread is just another in a long line of P Manning attacks. I think Brady is better too, but damn so many Patriots fans are insecure about this.

 

[Deus Irae]

He may need 2 more to be undisputed. Montana was pretty amazing.

Montana had his Brady-sized share of postseason struggles. People just ignore them.

 

[PATS16N0]

That's nonsense, and any reasonable football fan knows it.

This thread is just another in a long line of P Manning attacks. I think Brady is better too, but damn so many Patriots fans are insecure about this.

Really? It's nonsense!?

Please compare for the class Peyton Manning to Joe Montana in a way that isn't completely ridiculous.