The Official Patriots vs. Panthers Post Game Thread

[Deus Irae]

Did think about it ... and researched it also.

Patriots passed on every 3rd down prior to that 3rd down.

I mean Carolina geared for the pass not the run so we played into their defense not against it.

The Patriots had only had 2 third downs all half prior to that call. They'd completed them both. For the game, they were:

4 for 5 in the first quarter, with the only failure the sack surrendered by Solder

1 for 3 in the second quarter, with one failure being converted on 4th down and the other having been a 3rd and 22 after the Mankins personal foul

1 for 1 in the 3rd quarter

1 for 1 in the 4th quarter


So, they were converting 70% of third downs via the pass, with one of the failures being a 3rd and 22. That's pretty damned good odds, especially when you add in a QB who'd gone 11-for-11 at that point. If memory serves, the only time a 3rd down pass had hit the ground up to that point was the play where the Patriots ended up getting the first down via penalty (pass to Amendola).

 

[Galeb]

Refs are talking out of the side of their mouth.

Not calling pass interference is the correct call by them.

But calling defensive holding on that play was the correct call that was not followed up.

I disagree. Gronk was in position and the guy grabbed him and ran him towards the back of the end-zone. Even if you don't call the PI, they should have at least called the interference.

 

[Joker]

I'd like to know the answer to this hypothetical...

IF on Wednesday ot Thursday, the league offices say that the refs erred when they picked up the flag, does the INT on Brady's stat sheet get erased???

I'd like to know what the answer is because I have no idea, after a lifetime of following the NFL what the answer is...

 

[SVN]

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 1m
The officials got together and determined the pass was underthrown and uncatchable, and that's why Blakeman picked up the flag.

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 39s
Blameman: "Ultimately, I believe we got it right."

 

[manxman2601]

The problem with that is there was nobody on the grassy knoll. However there was PI there. And every living person not a CAR fan, and you think otherwise.

There's a big difference between questioning whether it was a penalty or not and thinking this was a plan hatched in the deepest corridors in NFL HQ. Bad calls happen. It does not make for a conspiracy.

 

[Joker]

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 1m
The officials got together and determined the pass was underthrown and uncatchable, and that's why Blakeman picked up the flag.

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 39s
Blameman: "Ultimately, I believe we got it right."

has this moron seen the game tape yet?

 

[IcyPatriot]

The Patriots had only had 2 third downs all half prior to that call. They'd completed them both. For the game, they were:

4 for 5 in the first quarter, with the only failure the sack surrendered by Solder

1 for 3 in the second quarter, with one failure being converted on 4th down and the other having been a 3rd and 22 after the Mankins personal foul

1 for 1 in the 3rd quarter

1 for 1 in the 4th quarter


So, they were converting 70% of third downs via the pass, with one of the failures being a 3rd and 22. That's pretty damned good odds, especially when you add in a QB who'd gone 11-for-11 at that point.

That's fine for regular game play calling ... a surprise when the game is on the line perhaps?

They could have lined up with 4WR's and Blount in the I ... I think the odds were better there he would have gotten the yard ... Blounts adrenaline rush at that time should have been utilized - he was hot from his last 2 runs.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

The fact is, the pats had 2 RZ opportunities where they failed to get any points. They have to be better in the RZ, because 1 FG or TD, can be the difference in a tight game of controversial calls. This is what the pats have done in every loss, failed RZ conversions.


Now to all the people that say the team won't go deep in the playoffs, we just moved the ball consistently on the #1 defense. We were I position 3, yes, 3 times to get points. And we failed. Even if they all were FG's, we win the game decisively. I can't stress how we need to work on RZ work. We can move the ball, but can we score points in the RZ.

 

[IcyPatriot]

The fact is, the pats had 2 RZ opportunities where they failed to get any points. They have to be better in the RZ, because 1 FG or TD, can be the difference in a tight game of controversial calls. This is what the pats have done in every loss, failed RZ conversions.


Now to all the people that say the team won't go deep in the playoffs, we just moved the ball consistently on the #1 defense. We were I position 3, yes, 3 times to get points. And we failed. Even if they all were FG's, we win the game decisively. I can't stress how we need to work on RZ work. We can move the ball, but can we score points in the RZ.

Well I like your post a lot ... but the injury list just won't leave my mind and it's all on D.

 

[Kdo5]

Beside the no call, we would have won without bonehead personal fouls by Talib/Mankins (that's assuming Mankins was but I didn't really see the play), and Ridleys fumble we would have won the game. At WORST we score 6 points which equals a win.

So I don't entirely blame the final call but we probably would have won if they made the right call. Screwed over.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's fine for regular game play calling ... a surprise when the game is on the line perhaps?

They could have lined up with 4WR's and Blount in the I ... I think the odds were better there he would have gotten the yard ... Blounts adrenaline rush at that time should have been utilized - he was hot from his last 2 runs.

Your opinion on which you'd prefer is your own, and I'm not arguing that. I'm merely pointing out that going for the pass was not a 'bad' call, and that you can't consider it a 'bad' call if you actually think it through rather than reacting emotionally as so many here are so obviously doing.

Again, not one (officially counted) 3rd down pass had hit the ground prior to that play.

 

[DaBruinz]

An outsiders take although I do say it was PI:The Panther had already jumped the route and broken on the ball. Even if Gronk was untouched there was no guarantee that's still not an INT or broken up.

Clearly, you only want to see half the picture. Fact is that Kuechly initiated contact and prevent Gronk from breaking back on the ball. Had Kuechly not done so, then, in all likelihood, Gronk makes that catch.

So, two can hypothesize. It doesn't change reality. That Kuechly CLEARLY initiated contact and prevented Gronkowski from making a break on the ball and that is the definition of Pass Interference. The ball was CLEARLY still catchable and only people smoking wacky weed think that ball was "underthrown and uncatchable"..

 

[IcyPatriot]

Beside the no call, we would have won without bonehead personal fouls by Talib/Mankins (that's assuming Mankins was but I didn't really see the play), and Ridleys fumble we would have won the game. At WORST we score 6 points which equals a win.

So I don't entirely blame the final call but we probably would have won if they made the right call. Screwed over.

Really disappointed in Talib tonight ... early game was not Patriot worthy.
The #1 at any position needs to lead by example ... it's the way it's been here.

 

[DaBruinz]

Did think about it ... and researched it also.

Patriots passed on every 3rd down prior to that 3rd down.

I mean Carolina geared for the pass not the run so we played into their defense not against it.

Icy - How can you say that Carolina geared for the PASS when they had 8 men on the line with the 2 LBers directly behind it and 1 CB out on the receiver? That just doesn't make sense..

 

[Deus Irae]

Beside the no call, we would have won without bonehead personal fouls by Talib/Mankins (that's assuming Mankins was but I didn't really see the play), and Ridleys fumble we would have won the game. At WORST we score 6 points which equals a win.

So I don't entirely blame the final call but we probably would have won if they made the right call. Screwed over.

Mankins was claiming that he was the victim of an illegal blow to the head, if I read his comments and body movements correctly.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

FWIW, here's the refs' side of the story:

Ref explains picking up penalty flag - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN

 

[Joker]

and BTW, I'm a well known Pats homer and don't mind paying for it but when the hell does Mankins get the news he's KILLING drives with his boneheaded penalties?...we had the wind on that drive..that's three points they just shyt away.

 

[fnordcircle]

The problem with that is there was nobody on the grassy knoll. However there was PI there. And every living person not a CAR fan, and you think otherwise.

So you're going to quit watching this obviously fixed league, right?

PS - I never said it wasn't PI because I think you can make a case that it was just like you can make a case that the ball was uncatchable.

 

[SVN]

and BTW, I'm a well known Pats homer and don't mind paying for it but when the hell does Mankins get the news he's KILLING drives with his boneheaded penalties?...we had the wind on that drive..that's three points they just shyt away.

he claimed post game that he was told by the ref that he threw a punch when he didnt and there was no replay of that either

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Hey Ian. . . .

Can we find a "blind" smiley and call it :clete:?