Has Tim Tebow earned a roster spot on the Patriots?

[ATippett56]

So what. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I will stand by it and couldn't care less what you or others think of that.

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[Remarker]

I hear you but the only person I ever really locked onto in this organization was Doug Fluties daughter when she was a cheerleader, I considered following her in similar to provided my unconditional support but the fear of a restraining order eventually overwhelmed that desire

Ha, I get your point. I've got an excuse...I live in the shadow of The Swamp and the Gator Nation pervs on Gators in the NFL.

Demos on the other hand...
However, a guy named Herschel Walker did get my attention.

 

[Ironman44]

I became a fan when I saw him on ESPN and he ran in a TD on a broken leg in high school, here is the actual clip

Tim Tebow Plays on Broken Leg - YouTube

 

[ATippett56]

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[ATippett56]

Here's a clip of Markus and the rest of the Te-crew pondering what's going on in the mind of Bill Belichick....

Your clip needs some accompaniment:

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[manxman2601]

I won't deny Tebow is entertaining to watch, I actually don't know if you guys wore me down, or I've started to see some of the intrigue but I actually want to see him stick in some capacity at this point.

The thing is, I don't think he's good enough to be an NFL QB now and whilst I prepared to be patient and see what BB/JMcD can do with him, I don't think he'll ever be good enough to be a conventional starting QB. For me it starts with his athleticism/size abilities and his uncanny knack for converting on TDs allied to his character. It's why I have always been on the short yardage kick with Tebow because that's where I see his roster value.

 

[ausbacker]

The thing is, I don't think he's good enough to be an NFL QB now and whilst I prepared to be patient and see what BB/JMcD can do with him, I don't think he'll ever be good enough to be a conventional starting QB. For me it starts with his athleticism/size abilities and his uncanny knack for converting on TDs allied to his character. It's why I have always been on the short yardage kick with Tebow because that's where I see his roster value.

Call me old fashioned but I'd rather give the ball to Ridley, Vereen or target a healthy Gronk.

 

[manxman2601]

Call me old fashioned but I'd rather give the ball to Ridley, Vereen or target a healthy Gronk.

That's fine, but roster tends to have more than two ball carriers on it. Tebow is more athletic than Ridley and bigger than Vereen. I'm not proposing replacing either as a general purpose back, I'm thinking about goal to go and 3rd and short type situations and I personally think Tebow has the edge there based upon the combination of his strength and athleticism.

I'd also say that having Tebow in the backfield doesn't preclude Gronk + Vereen or Ridley being out there. Gronk, Sudfeld, Amendola, Tebow, Vereen, Brady would be an interesting goal line package to gameplan against.

 

[Joker]

Tebow is more athletic than Ridley

that's quite a general statement as fact...what actual proof using combine numbers do you have to back this up?

 

[manxman2601]

that's quite a general statement as fact...what actual proof using combine numbers do you have to back this up?

Better 10 yard split, 3-cone and vertical jump for Tebow. Better 40, broad jump for Ridley. They're pretty close at all the disciplines but Tebow's doing it at 10lb heavier and in the context of short yardage plays, that's not insignificant.

This isn't me saying that Tebow would be a better RB than Ridley, I'm thinking about very specific situations.

To be fair, I made some assumptions and didn't check it. I think it's fair to say that Tebow's and Ridley's athleticism are near identical.

 

[ausbacker]

That's fine, but roster tends to have more than two ball carriers on it. Tebow is more athletic than Ridley and bigger than Vereen. I'm not proposing replacing either as a general purpose back, I'm thinking about goal to go and 3rd and short type situations and I personally think Tebow has the edge there based upon the combination of his strength and athleticism.

I'd also say that having Tebow in the backfield doesn't preclude Gronk + Vereen or Ridley being out there. Gronk, Sudfeld, Amendola, Tebow, Vereen, Brady would be an interesting goal line package to gameplan against.

Tebow offers nothing better than any of the Patriots starters manx. I don't understand the fascination with Tebow.

I'd prefer to give the ball to a designated Running Back, not a trick play Quarterback manx. I understand and appreciate your situational specific mentality, I just don't agree with it.

That all said, I'm not going to lose sleep if the Patriots keep him on the 53 and work out how to use him.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Tebow offers nothing better than any of the Patriots starters manx. I don't understand the fascination with Tebow.

He's not up against the starters...

I'd prefer to give the ball to a designated Running Back, not a trick play Quarterback manx. I understand and appreciate your situational specific mentality, I just don't agree with it.

... but, as you point out, he shouldn't be getting this much attention, given that hey, he's not up against the starters...

That all said, I'm not going to lose sleep if the Patriots keep him on the 53 and work out how to use him.

Yeah this. Although I might get irritated if he scores a TD in one very specific situation in like game 7 and all his fans are screaming for him to be named starting fullback, quarterback, etc.

 

[manxman2601]

Tebow offers nothing better than any of the Patriots starters manx. I don't understand the fascination with Tebow.

I'd prefer to give the ball to a designated Running Back, not a trick play Quarterback manx. I understand and appreciate your situational specific mentality, I just don't agree with it.

That all said, I'm not going to lose sleep if the Patriots keep him on the 53 and work out how to use him.

That's fine. Each to their own.

He's not up against the starters...



... but, as you point out, he shouldn't be getting this much attention, given that hey, he's not up against the starters...



Yeah this. Although I might get irritated if he scores a TD in one very specific situation in like game 7 and all his fans are screaming for him to be named starting fullback, quarterback, etc.

You're going to be irritated if a Patriots player scores a TD? Interesting.

 

[Joker]

Better 10 yard split, 3-cone and vertical jump for Tebow. Better 40, broad jump for Ridley. They're pretty close at all the disciplines but Tebow's doing it at 10lb heavier and in the context of short yardage plays, that's not insignificant.

This isn't me saying that Tebow would be a better RB than Ridley, I'm thinking about very specific situations.

To be fair, I made some assumptions and didn't check it. I think it's fair to say that Tebow and Ridley's athleticism is near identical.

heh...Tebow is how tall? 75 inches? and Ridley is 71 inches...the discrepancy is 2.5 inches in the vertical leap...that gives Ridley a +1.5 advantage,despite a shorter stature and shorter arms. Christian Okoye played at 260 pounds..."in the context of short yardage plays, that is not insignificant" but in the context of who is MORE athletic, I'll stick with Ridley...even though Okoye would seem better at short yardage.

My point is.."more athletic" is almost always a purely subjective observation when viewing athletes performing different tasks.

 

[manxman2601]

heh...Tebow is how tall? 75 inches? and Ridley is 71 inches...the discrepancy is 2.5 inches in the vertical leap...that gives Ridley a +1.5 advantage,despite a shorter stature and shorter arms. Christian Okoye played at 260 pounds..."in the context of short yardage plays, that is not insignificant" but in the context of who is MORE athletic, I'll stick with Ridley...even though Okoye would seem better at short yardage.

My point is.."more athletic" is almost always a purely subjective observation when viewing athletes performing different tasks.

I'm not going to take issue with you over who's the most athletic, I'm fine with the tie (although I would say that Ridley has quicker feet) but I still maintain that Tebow's size/athleticism is a plus that Ridley doesn't offer.

I will take issue on the vertical leap - my understanding is that height isn't a factor. Wikipedia best explains:

The simplest method to measure an athlete's vertical jump is to get the athlete to reach up against a flat wall, with a flat surface under his/her feet (such as a gym floor or concrete) and mark off the highest point he/she can reach flat-footed (this is referred to as "standing reach"). Then, instruct the athlete to take several jumps from a standstill, marking off the highest point he/she can reach. Next, measure the distance between the two. This is the athlete's standing vertical jump and this can be monitored to track any increases in vertical jump.

Vertical jump - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ausbacker]

He's not up against the starters...

... but, as you point out, he shouldn't be getting this much attention, given that hey, he's not up against the starters...

Yeah this. Although I might get irritated if he scores a TD in one very specific situation in like game 7 and all his fans are screaming for him to be named starting fullback, quarterback, etc.

Which is the annoying point. I'm well aware that I'm an active participant in openly discussing the potential contributions of a 3rd string Quarterback with an unknown fit.

 

[DarrylS]

Not sure if in the annals of football that players just switched skill positions... from QB to RB, from QB to TE... would seem that each has its own skillset that took more than a preseason to develop.

If Tebow makes this squad, who in the middle of slots 48-53 would you let go??? Based on the economy of BB and watching him for a while now, he is not going to waste a roster slot to make people feel good.

I go back to how this whole thing started, 31 other teams passed on him and all of his "mad" skills... and when he signed he signed it was for just above the minimum, with nothing is guaranteed. League wide he is not that valued, even though he has great character...

 

[Remarker]

I don't mean to bring up bad memories but I'm stirring the pot anyway.

One thing that may be overlooked in Tim's regard are Tim's skills and experience with Ahern type TEs.

Notice the source of this TE's footballs. (video)

In so far as the reason that 31 teams passed on Tim, as is most often described typical of DarryIS's description, I point out that anyone that wasn't a part of BB's and Tim's collaboration on Tim becoming a Pat knows the truth. From my understanding, the DarryIS description is wrong.

 

[grux]

I liked his chances when Mr. Kraft was pulling for him to make the team.