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Patriots sign former Oregon WR Lavasier Tuinei


Who's going to be the first patsfans poster to proclaim this a genus move and that this guy Tuinei is going to make the team and be a factor? :rolleyes:
 
You think the Patriots are so stupid that they blame the 5'9" receiver for not being able to carry a team when the 6'6" 265 TE isn't playing and opponents can focus on beating the hell out of the little guy? I'm not sure you understand the definition of "weakness".

As for Brady, he was clearly not happy that Welker wasn't brought back, so I'm not sure why you'd bring him into this.

I know what weakness is and welkers weakness was dropping game changing passes ace. How is gronk suppose to avoid pollard when he tackles/ goes for a ankle??? Answer that deus. Brady might be a little teed off but its happened before and he keeps chugging along like a goat would do. When your a star receiver you defy odds and help the team. Helping the team means catching a 90% game winning pass deus. You make differences when your the star. The least you can do is catch your QB's pass that has mostly carried you to that point.
 
It was perfectly catchable. Look where Wes's hands were when the ball hit him, he dropped the pass. Star receivers make those catches. Brady put it where he could catch it and welker dropped the ball. Just like he did against the ravens.

Despite a below par throw by Brady, SuperBowl winning WRs make that catch and others in the playoffs. Losing teams' WRs don't make that play. Look at the Pats SB wins. Critical plays made while critical mistakes made by the enemy. Margin of victory is very small. The difference between a very good WR or any other player's performance and a critical play making player is greatness, the difference between no ring and a ring. We've seen it both ways. BB has decided it was a post season problem and is trying to fix it. Just hope he didn't make it worse. Me, I'm excited about 2013.
 
It was perfectly catchable. Look where Wes's hands were when the ball hit him, he dropped the pass. Star receivers make those catches. Brady put it where he could catch it and welker dropped the ball. Just like he did against the ravens.

I've watched it hundreds of times and I've already said that the ball was "catchable". "Catchable" meaning, it's at least theoretically possible to catch the ball, as opposed to there being absolutely no way anyone would.

If Welker had caught the ball, everyone would be talking about that "ridiculous" catch that he made. Even great receivers miss now and then on those types of plays.
 
You expect your star receiver to make that catch, especially in the Super Bowl of all places.

TFB certainly was to be faulted for some of the blame...I do agree. It wasn't all Weklah's fault. The defense wasn't that good either. It was a collective problem. No doubt.

I just don't see the benefit of having Weklah here though. BB seen it the same way.

Time to move on and have a fresh start.
 
Despite a below par throw by Brady, SuperBowl winning WRs make that catch and others in the playoffs. Losing teams' WRs don't make that play. Look at the Pats SB wins. Critical plays made while critical mistakes made by the enemy. Margin of victory is very small. The difference between a very good WR or any other player's performance and a critical play making player is greatness, the difference between no ring and a ring. We've seen it both ways. BB has decided it was a post season problem and is trying to fix it. Just hope he didn't make it worse. Me, I'm excited about 2013.


I think the Welker decision was strategic instead of tactical. If he had been a couple years younger, the Pats would have kept him. Instead, they let an older guy go and signed a comparable younger guy to a 5 year deal.
 
I was an imperfect pass but also perfectly catchable. Welker just dropped the ball.

The ball was high and behind Welker.

Not only did Welker have to spin around, he had to go up as well and time it perfectly. Welker was expecting the ball inside because he ran a "Seam route."
 
You expect your star receiver to make that catch, especially in the Super Bowl of all places.

Funny coming from one of the biggest McCourty lovers on the board.

Did you see Pitta school McCourty last AFCC?
 
In fairness, while you expect your "star receiver" to make that catch, you also expect your 1st ballot HoF and greatest of all time QB to throw a more catchable ball :)

It's on both of them in my opinion. Bad throw resulting in a difficult yet makeable catch.

Exactly.

In fairness to Brady he could not risk throwing inside where Welker was expecting the ball. Phillips (21) was closing and too close for comfort to risk the INT.
 
Even if he doesn't work out, you don't have to look very far to see what all the guys the Pats are bringing in have in common: they're all big, physical targets. Belichick has clearly made the determination that the Pats absolutely need this element in their offense, and he's going to keep aggressively looking until he finds it. Hopefully it's sooner rather than later, but just knowing that it's finally a real priority is encouraging in its own right.

Yup. Pats 'finesse' receivers tore it up in the regular season but were getting shut down by the more physical playoff defenses. It looks like BB made a conscious decision to go bigger, tougher, stronger.

As for tuna, what I like about his highlights it shows that he has good body control and is a redzone threat. He really seems to have a nose for the endzone. That's always nice to have a tall possession receiver who is a threat to score when you get into that red area. Who knows if he can translate that to our offense at this stage though. My guess is practice squad if he shows promise.
 
Exactly.

In fairness to Brady he could not risk throwing inside where Welker was expecting the ball. Phillips (21) was closing and too close for comfort to risk the INT.

Yeah, to be sure. If the ball had been about a foot lower and/or closer to his body, allowing Welker the chance to cradle it, I'd put 100% of the blame on him. But having to do a jumping, twisting 180 while reaching out and up to snare the ball ?
 
How many rings did he clock when he was here? :rolleyes:

Why do people fall back on such a stupid argument?

How many rings does Brady have since David Patten left?

That must mean that David Patten made Tom Brady.
 
Some comments on the comments:

1. As one who has NEVER blamed Welker for not making that catch in the Superbowl, I have to acknowledge that his "drop" highlights a weakness in his game. From the numbers to the ground Welker was elite. But from the shoulders to over his head he was just average, and I would wager that a great majority of his "drops" came on passes that made him raise his hands above his head. Welker is a good receiver in any offense, but Brady's accuracy elevated his production and got the most out of him. The fact that he'll be with Peyton makes me think he will be just as good this year.

2. As to DI's point that Amendola is "only" 2 inches taller than Welker. That might be true. BUT...his catch radius is probably 6-8 inches larger because Amendola is more comfortable catching balls above his head

3. I don't know if Tuinei can make this team, but his signing seems to confirm and reflects BB is changing this offense to reflect the ever changing realities of the NFL game. Taller receivers are a fact of life. More and more defenses are going back to playing a more physical man coverage, and the refs seem to be allowing it. The Polian pendulum is finally starting to turn back in the D's favor, or at least less blatantly in favor of the offense . So the fact is that having physical WR's who can make catches even when covered has become a necessary part of a teams offense.

4. There will always be a place for a smaller quick WR in the Troy Brown, Wes Welker mold, but the days where that receiver kind of receiver is the linchpin of an offense is over.

5. I am already on record saying that Welker will be just as successful in Denver as he was in NE. But that being said, it would not surprise me to see him lose about 30% of his production. If he was the go to guy, like he was here, I doubt there'd be much of a production drop, but the Broncos have 2 legitimate outside threats, so Wes isn't going to see the number of looks that will allow him to have the kind of production he had here. Not hating, its just a fact of life.

6. Where I see the Pats making the right move with Welker is his health. Up to this point in his career, he has been remarkable in his ability to stay healthy. More than remarkable, in fact. However the fact remains that football players only have so many hits that their body can absorb, ESPECIALLY 5'8 185lb guys. Wes's time is running out, IMHO. Sooner or later, he's not going to get up from one of those big hits, and I think its going to be sooner.

Don't forget that Logan Mankins didn't miss a game. Hell he'd never missed a practice, before his first knee injury, and he has rarely been fully healthy since, even though he's only missed a handful of games. Injuries happen to everyone eventually. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that over the next 2 seasons, Amendola plays more games than Welker. I know how ridiculous that last statement sounds based on the PAST history of these 2 guys, but I'm not looking to the past, but to the FUTURE. Lets see how it plays out.
 
Why do people fall back on such a stupid argument?

How many rings does Brady have since David Patten left?

That must mean that David Patten made Tom Brady.

But, you didn't answer the question...
 
Great last name ... maybe it inspires him to a long career like Mark's.
 
TFB certainly was to be faulted for some of the blame...I do agree. It wasn't all Weklah's fault. The defense wasn't that good either. It was a collective problem. No doubt.

I just don't see the benefit of having Weklah here though. BB seen it the same way.

Time to move on and have a fresh start.

I agree ... look we were a Gronk injury away from winning #4 or #5 even. Key injuries in the last several years deep in the playoffs are why we did not win #4 or #5. Anyone pointing to a specific play has no overall concept of football. Games are won and lost on plays in the trenches that the camera does not even replay. Small details that lead to key plays ... the human element and health are always there ... not just 1 play - that's insane thinking.
 
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But, you didn't answer the question...

Based on your logic do you also believe all those fans of other teams that constantly say 'Pats haven't won anything since...' have a legitimate and valid point that cannot be disputed?


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