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As for the blame of the medical staff, there may be some truth to this, but given that this was the back end of the return estimates (8 weeks), I find it hard to believe that he was rushed back. They may have missed something in the xrays but it was more likely just one of these freak injuries.

I agree. He was as ready as he would be in the time frame expected. Now they will reset it.

I don't see what difference this would make, arm bones heal.

When knee joints regenerate their own missing cartilage it will be the same.
 
They obviously all thought he was ready to go if they built the game plan around him heavily, which Brady implied, but he was brought along with medical supervision and protection of the player in mind.

The same "medical supervision and protection of the player in mind" they had when they sent Ted Johnson back onto the field after getting whacked in the head? It is a bit more complicated. Teams are for-profit businesses that want (pay) their players to play. Players naturally want to compete and play. The problem is that nobody--including the player--is necessarily looking out for the best interests of the player. That, and several player deaths, is the reason the NFL had to intervene on concussions. But the problem of returning athletes to the field too soon is not confined solely to head injuries.
 
Big difference here.

Shanahan made TWO mistakes with RG3. One, he risked hurting the player. Two, it was obvious early in the game that the player was so hurt that he could not function at the QB position in an effective way and that such ineffective play would make it very difficult for his team to win.

It's possible that BB risked hurting Gronk. But it was not obvious UNTIL THE INJURY that this was the case. And the second point doesn't apply at all as Gronk's condition and him playing in the game did not make it tougher for the Pats to win.

The moral of the story is that Albert Breer is a flaming turd.
 
The same "medical supervision and protection of the player in mind" they had when they sent Ted Johnson back onto the field after getting whacked in the head? It is a bit more complicated. Teams are for-profit businesses that want (pay) their players to play. Players naturally want to compete and play. The problem is that nobody--including the player--is necessarily looking out for the best interests of the player. That, and several player deaths, is the reason the NFL had to intervene on concussions. But the problem of returning athletes to the field too soon is not confined solely to head injuries.

All true, but Ted Johnson has admitted that he didn't tell the team how hurt he was for fear that he would lose playing time or his job. Gronk had been out for 8 weeks, for all intents and purposes, and xrays can be used to gain knowledge of how a break is healing, unlike how a brain is healing. If they had put Gronk back in a week after he broke his arm and this happened, I would agree with you, but the way they brought him along and the amount of time he was out does not suggest they were rushing it.
 
the criticism of shanahan wasn't that he started RG3 it was that he kept him in the game long after he reaggrevated it and clearly was hurt and ineffective
 
That was classic BB when the Pats scored and he paused briefly before going back to coaching up the D...like it was irrelevant to the situation at hand.


I laughed pretty hard when I saw that. He wasn't too concerned, whereas Ryan and Sporano fist pump like madmen at FG's:D
 
As for the blame of the medical staff, there may be some truth to this, but given that this was the back end of the return estimates (8 weeks), I find it hard to believe that he was rushed back. They may have missed something in the xrays but it was more likely just one of these freak injuries.

I think everyone agrees that Gronkowski's arm should've healed in two months. The point is that it obviously didn't. There's no way you can tell me that Gronk's arm was completely healed and that snapped on a routine fall to the ground.

Either the medical staff missed something or they sent him out there knowing one hit to the arm could break it again.
 
I think everyone agrees that Gronkowski's arm should've healed in two months. The point is that it obviously didn't. There's no way you can tell me that Gronk's arm was completely healed and that snapped on a routine fall to the ground.

Either the medical staff missed something or they sent him out there knowing one hit to the arm could break it again.

Or it simply broke on a fluke impact just like the 1st time
Players do break arms
 
I think everyone agrees that Gronkowski's arm should've healed in two months. The point is that it obviously didn't. There's no way you can tell me that Gronk's arm was completely healed and that snapped on a routine fall to the ground.

Either the medical staff missed something or they sent him out there knowing one hit to the arm could break it again.

Of course it wasn't completely healed. If it were, he wouldn't have been wearing a cast. The list of players playing with partially healed injuries includes pretty much everyone. The decision on his return is a risk reward equation with no easy answer. Just because this one came down on the wrong side of the equation doesn't necessarily mean that the thought process was incorrect.
 
A couple of points:

1. Breer is a guy with just one specific agenda, and that is the self promotion of Albert Breer. The fastest way for a mediot to get attention, especially national attention is put himself alone on an island with a position. Unfortunately, in today's media there is absolutely NO penalty for making idiotic remarks. So the CHB can come out with his provocative column, create a firestorm, reap the personal benefits of that firestorm, and the next week start fresh as if he hadn't written in the first place.

2. After watching Gronk favor his arm in the Miami game, I specifically watched him on the first play to see if he favored it again. I was happy at the time to see that he didn't. He clearly engaged his man using BOTH arms to engage him.

3. As to the issue of whether he was back too soon, I'm less clear. I mean, he had been practicing for at least 3 weeks, so its not like they didn't see him in action before he re injured the arm.

4. Bottom line - Breaks often occur under what seems to be a minimum of trauma. Unless we have access to the x-rays, we are just speculating on what really happened. And uninformed speculation put forth as facts, should be discouraged.
 
and this is how he tweeted his column.Its like a backhanded compliment and that too begrudingly

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
My postgame column from Foxboro, on why 2012 proves one-game-at-a-time is (sometimes) BS with the Patriots: Tom Brady, New England Patriots seeing patience pay off - NFL.com

Breer is a douche with a grudge. But disregarding his twitter and post-game remarks and focusing on his column, I agree with what he says to a certain extent, though it's nothing new. The Pats do play one game at a time, but they also always have the long term view of the season. BB calls it "climbing the mountain", and it's clear that he views the season as a developmental process. Winning each game is important, but not all games are equal, and developing the team for the stretch run and playoffs is clearly a goal. Again, this is nothing new. It's been that way for years.

It seems clear that this year's team has evolved into something special in terms of the "next man up" approach and in terms of being able to make adaptations to injuries and personnel changes. We went into the season expecting to see an offense built around Gronk and Hernandez, and we haven't had them healthy on the field together for more than the first game against Tennessee. Instead, the running game has emerged as a huge part of the offense, and the coaching staff has used new weapons in ways that weren't expected. Edelman, Stallworth, Branch and Vereen have all come up huge in games down the stretch. It makes it much harder for other teams to game plan against the Pats when they can beat you in so many ways, and when they are resilient at weathering losses. The loss of Hernandez early in game 2 against Arizona clearly threw the offense off it's entire gameplan, but the loss of Gronk and Woodhead early against Houston didn't phase them at all, even though Brady admitted afterwards that they had an entire set of plays designed around those 2 guys.
 
Breer is a douche with a grudge. But disregarding his twitter and post-game remarks and focusing on his column, I agree with what he says to a certain extent, though it's nothing new. The Pats do play one game at a time, but they also always have the long term view of the season. BB calls it "climbing the mountain", and it's clear that he views the season as a developmental process. Winning each game is important, but not all games are equal, and developing the team for the stretch run and playoffs is clearly a goal. Again, this is nothing new. It's been that way for years.

It seems clear that this year's team has evolved into something special in terms of the "next man up" approach and in terms of being able to make adaptations to injuries and personnel changes. We went into the season expecting to see an offense built around Gronk and Hernandez, and we haven't had them healthy on the field together for more than the first game against Tennessee. Instead, the running game has emerged as a huge part of the offense, and the coaching staff has used new weapons in ways that weren't expected. Edelman, Stallworth, Branch and Vereen have all come up huge in games down the stretch. It makes it much harder for other teams to game plan against the Pats when they can beat you in so many ways, and when they are resilient at weathering losses. The loss of Hernandez early in game 2 against Arizona clearly threw the offense off it's entire gameplan, but the loss of Gronk and Woodhead early against Houston didn't phase them at all, even though Brady admitted afterwards that they had an entire set of plays designed around those 2 guys.
Dont disagree with the content of his column. But he makes point to say that pats "one game at a time" mantra which is "force fed" is BS. Clearly uncessary unless he wants to take a shot at BB or the pats.
 
Good, now all of the wanna be Doctors and armchair HC's can dicuss other things.
 
Now it's being reported that Gronk's injury is NOT related to his original break., he broke his arm at end of plate implated in same arm as original injury so he was cleared to play just another freak break.
 
Was just out in the car and heard how Breer phrased his question yesterday (phone conference call with BB) -- he's so desperate to connect this to RG III's situation he led his question with something about leaving Gronk in even though he was clearly bothered by the arm "early in the first quarter." Really? The injury was what, the seventh offensive play of the game? Time to let to go Bertie. Get back to that exclusive report on whether Albert Hainesworth is "a nice guy."
 
Was just out in the car and heard how Breer phrased his question yesterday (phone conference call with BB) -- he's so desperate to connect this to RG III's situation he led his question with something about leaving Gronk in even though he was clearly bothered by the arm "early in the first quarter." Really? The injury was what, the seventh offensive play of the game? Time to let to go Bertie. Get back to that exclusive report on whether Albert Hainesworth is "a nice guy."

I think it was fair to compare the situations. I think the link would be "putting him out there when (maybe) he wasn't ready", though, and not "keeping him out after a re-injury". To me, asking the first question is sensible, while asking the second when you're taking about a broken/re-broken arm isn't.

This was a topic that was well worth discussing, IMO, particularly with the recent history of professional team medical issues in Boston, and there's something clearly wrong when a guy who's taken the pounding Gronk has gets a break on a play that was almost a nothing play (The forearm wasn't even used to plant, but was rolled off). Unfortunately, that discussion got sidetracked.
 
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I was just watching the replay of NFLN "Total Access" and Breer was giving his report. He said that the Patriots are in a "dilemma" because Woodhead has turned out to be fine and how good Vereen played last week . . . uhhhh . . . what? :bricks:
 
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