Has Belichick ever fired a coach?

[Cassanova792]

They aren't his safe and soft schemes any more than they were Pees... Those are Bill's, he makes the decision on personnel and approach, the coordinator here is just tasked with implementing it. Particularly on defense which is Bill's perview.

Why has our baffling and once feared defense of yesteryear from the Crenel and Mangini sooo obviously different from our current defense in schemes and disguises? Watch old games and see how hard it was to decipher our coverage or blitz packages. Yet BB wants to stray away from what has obviously worked and what gave him 3 superbowl rings? Thats a tough pill to swallow.

Yes everyone agrees he oversees the philosophy and core of what the defense should be, and that essentially has never changed since he has been here: Don't give up the big play and try to take away what they are good at. That aspect has never changed but defensive scheming drastically has since the departure of Mangini. If you watch every game, you can see Patricia calling his so easy to read, xbox 360 Madden 13 playbook style defense and the results have obviously shown to back up what im saying. Look no further by seeing scrub QB's week in and week out torch our secondary. If it wasnt for our fantastic front 7, we would also get burned from the run.

In the yesteryear, it seemed like no matter who they put back in the secondary they would ALL be successful. Even Troy Brown made a hell of a CB!!! But now it seems like no matter who you put in the secondary, even Revis would be mediocre.

 

[chasa]

If ron riviera gets let go in Carolina i think that we should bring him in.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Why has our baffling and once feared defense of yesteryear from the Crenel and Mangini sooo obviously different from our current defense in schemes and disguises? Watch old games and see how hard it was to decipher our coverage or blitz packages. Yet BB wants to stray away from what has obviously worked and what gave him 3 superbowl rings? Thats a tough pill to swallow.

Yes everyone agrees he oversees the philosophy and core of what the defense should be, and that essentially has never changed since he has been here: Don't give up the big play and try to take away what they are good at. That aspect has never changed but defensive scheming drastically has since the departure of Mangini. If you watch every game, you can see Patricia calling his so easy to read, xbox 360 Madden 13 playbook style defense and the results have obviously shown to back up what im saying. Look no further by seeing scrub QB's week in and week out torch our secondary. If it wasnt for our fantastic front 7, we would also get burned from the run.

In the yesteryear, it seemed like no matter who they put back in the secondary they would ALL be successful. Even Troy Brown made a hell of a CB!!! But now it seems like no matter who you put in the secondary, even Revis would be mediocre.

Inexperience. Especially instinctively leadership wise in the secondary. Plain and simple. This defense is very young and very inexperienced and in some areas less gifted than it was in RAC's tenure here. And even then they gave up late leads including in all 3 super bowls we won...not to mention the one we lost as they aged out (even as Pees had them blitzing like idiots) and the one we lost last year that we were at least fortunate enough to attend...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If ron riviera gets let go in Carolina i think that we should bring him in.

As what, a position coach? Honestly, he's a former player who only succeeded as a coordinator on a team he spent his career with where the HC was actually running the defense, and a pretty talented one to boot, and he let him go over ego and philosophy. Since then he's done a lackluster job in SD who seemed reluctant to give him that job to begin with and he's made a mess of the defense in Carolina as it's HC and gotten the guy who hired him fired 6 weeks into his second season. Hell will freeze over first. He has no ties to Belichick or the system we employ.

 

[ScottieC]

But not in midseason

Besides its too late to change the clowns on this coaching staff the year and expect the team to remain in focus

Matt Patricia is horrible....the firing should start right there in March

You want to start pointing fingers and calling out coaches - Start with the Head Coach. Nothing happens without his approval. From defensive/offensive schemes to who cleans the lockeroom - It's all Bill.

Of course, I say that and there's NO one I want other than Bill. I want him to stay for 10 more years.

However, If Kraft would like to hire a GM and take some of that off Bill - I'd be all for that at some point in the future.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

You want to start pointing fingers and calling out coaches - Start with the Head Coach. Nothing happens without his approval. From defensive/offensive schemes to who cleans the lockeroom - It's all Bill.

Of course, I say that and there's NO one I want other than Bill. I want him to stay for 10 more years.

However, If Kraft would like to hire a GM and take some of that off Bill - I'd be all for that at some point in the future.

You better pray he doesn't then because if he did that Bill would resign as the HC of the NEP on a ****tail napkin or whatever else was handy. Bill won't be your HC unless he has total control of football operations including final say on personnel. Same think he advised all his minions to always hold out for. Otherwise you're constantly at someone else's mercy. Nick Caserio is his director of player personnel, same title Pioli held with the added aura of VP. But he reported to Bill and Bill had final say. Scott was never given the GM title here, he just acted like one for public purposes. Bill is the defacto GM. And will be until the day he departs as HC.

 

[ScottieC]

You better pray he doesn't then because if he did that Bill would resign as the HC of the NEP on a ****tail napkin or whatever else was handy. Bill won't be your HC unless he has total control of football operations including final say on personnel. Same think he advised all his minions to always hold out for. Otherwise you're constantly at someone else's mercy. Nick Caserio is his director of player personnel, same title Pioli held with the added aura of VP. But he reported to Bill and Bill had final say. Scott was never given the GM title here, he just acted like one for public purposes. Bill is the defacto GM. And will be until the day he departs as HC.

Yes. I know all of this.

My point which may have been lost is simple:

If you choose to talk of the genius of Bill and then when things go wrong people want to talk about/blame the assistant coaches and discuss their NE Football mortality - then people (Homers) need to think hard about what control those guys have outside of Bill.

It's all Bill. All the time. And for the most part, it works amazingly well.

 

[goheels22002]

I think Mangini was fired...right after he took the Jets job.

BB scribbled a note, "You are no longer DC of the NEP." I think there may have been some other letters added at the end.

I think the full text of the note read:

"Fredo,

You are no longer DC of the NEP, you yellow little rat snitch ingrate. Please leave the tapes on my desk on your way out.

HC of the NEP"