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Eh, that's debatable. Getting rid of Milloy was also outlandish in the court of popular opinion.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Eh, that's debatable. Getting rid of Milloy was also outlandish in the court of popular opinion.
Oh, look who popped up. It's Dues Irae with once again, nothing relevant to say but to call another poster a troll. The irony is thick.
There's no irony there at all. Trolling is when you say something outlandish for attention. That's what you're doing.
What I do is post my thoughts, regardless of how people might take them. That's indifference, which is not the same thing. On those occasions when I'm trolling, I tend to make it known, with a picture of someone trolling, or a smiley or something along those lines.
Eh, that's debatable. Getting rid of Milloy was also outlandish in the court of popular opinion.
No it wasn't. It was predictable. He squawked about getting paid to the media, and BB made an example of him.
Of course, it sent the Patriots in a downward spiral they haven't recovered from. Wait, oh yeah, they did win two more Super Bowls. I must have been thinking of someone else.
Welker has over talked to the media as well (see: feet - cost us in playoff, earlier this year with his contract).
Also, what makes you think this team getting rid of Welker would send it into downward spiral? The truth is, none of us know. I hold a strong opinion that getting rid of him would be good for the team. Obviously the majority doesn't, there is no right or wrong thought in this until it actually happens. The only thing you've done with your second paragraph is prove my point though. Thanks.
Did I miss something? Did Welker leave? Get cut? Hold out? He's not going to be here? Did he not sign the franchise tender?
Don't put words in my mouth, because I never addressed the possibility of Welker leaving. I addressed your statement about Milloy. Everyone else seems to be handling the Welker subject just fine.
Welker has over talked to the media as well (see: feet - cost us in playoff, earlier this year with his contract).
Also, what makes you think this team getting rid of Welker would send it into downward spiral? The truth is, none of us know. I hold a strong opinion that getting rid of him would be good for the team. Obviously the majority doesn't, there is no right or wrong thought in this until it actually happens. The only thing you've done with your second paragraph is prove my point. Thanks.
Please re-read the original post of mine that you quoted. If you can't understand why your second paragraph response to that is completely non-sensical, then I have no more words for you. I had to put words in your mouth because you put words in mine. Durrr.
The Patriots have "won," avoiding paying Welker for past performance, but in the process they might find that they've made future negotiations more contentious and costly
This is said literally every time the Patriots don't fall over themselves in a scramble to heap money on one of their better players. It was written during the Brady and Wilfork contract negotiations, for starters. It's a simple reality of the salary cap era that everyone can't get paid. Welker isn't getting his long-term deal so that, in the long term, someone else can get paid.
The idea that everyone will forget about the contracts that Gronk and Mayo got and instead be bitter with the Patriots because they didn't pay Welker--a decision that they made presumably so that they can pay other players more going forward--doesn't make sense. Even alienating Welker's agent, Condon-style, seems pretty unlikely considering how many dealings Dunn has had and will continue to have with the Patriots. He's made a lot of money off the Patriots over the years.
I'd suggest reading andyjohnson's thread called a balanced look at the defense.
The defense was not horrible. They wern't great. They were decent and did enough a good chunk of the time and not enough some of the time.
This is said literally every time the Patriots don't fall over themselves in a scramble to heap money on one of their better players. It was written during the Brady and Wilfork contract negotiations, for starters. It's a simple reality of the salary cap era that everyone can't get paid. Welker isn't getting his long-term deal so that, in the long term, someone else can get paid.
The idea that everyone will forget about the contracts that Gronk and Mayo got and instead be bitter with the Patriots because they didn't pay Welker--a decision that they made presumably so that they can pay other players more going forward--doesn't make sense. Even alienating Welker's agent, Condon-style, seems pretty unlikely considering how many dealings Dunn has had and will continue to have with the Patriots. He's made a lot of money off the Patriots over the years.
The Pats can certainly be accused of moving a little slow in ripping up rookie deals and locking younger players into their prime production years but what Gasper failed to do was articulate the challenge the Pats have at the end of the 2012 season. With the cap staying (assumption) flat, they need to figure out a way to pay/extend....
Chung, Arrington, AH, Vollmer, Love maybe Hoyer and possibly work out extensions for Nink, Mesko and maybe Spikes.
My assumption is that if all those players have the kind of years we hope they have, they will not be cheap and if they stay here the Pats will need to pay.
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You bring up a good point, but I also think that a deal with Welker could have been afforded without as much of an issue as some are saying.
Chung shouldn't be too bad, may likely even see the tag if a deal cannot be done. I'm not even close to being worried about him.
Arrington will likely move on, as the market will be too steep for the Pats to try and keep him. I don't see him staying here to be honest. He can probably get 7+ on average per, barring a pretty lousy year. With the younger CB's + another draft in April, I really don't see the Pats paying him what he'll want.
Hernandez has 2 full years left on his rookie deal, so while an extension would be nice at the end of the season, it is not priority #1 either. He fits into the "possible extension" crowd which includes Ninkovich, Mesko, and Spikes; however none of them are needed at the end of the year.
Vollmer will have an important contract year this season. His worth will go up or down, depending upon his ability to stay healthy and produce.
Love shouldn't be too difficult (at all), and Hoyer is still an unknown.
While your point remains valid, that leaves the following for 'need' at the end of the season:
Chung, Vollmer, Love, and possibly Hoyer--sans Arrington. Pretty standard year in my opinion, maybe even better than most. Extensions to some of the other players may be examined, but aren't totally necessary at this juncture. With the ability to carry over a nice chunk of money + the probability of restructuring/extending Brady, the NEP should be in a pretty nice position salary cap wise. I am sure that they have their eyes on the next 2 seasons and their priorities, but they could have come to an agreement with Welker had they chose to. They certainly could've afforded it in my opinion.
The possibility lies that they may explore franchising Welker again (although most of us think that is unlikely), thus giving him what he wanted anyway over the 2 yr span. They may have approached it more carefully though, taking it one year at a time, and hoping that his worth would decrease with another year of age and a somewhat lessened statistical season. For all we know, they may have some intentions of keeping him through this season and next anyway, just on their own terms and in a more careful structure.
I actually argued that they weren't as bad as people thought and were basically really mediocre, patsfaninpitt actually tried to argue that they had a good defense, and that's a completely untenable position.
The Gronk deal is extremely team friendly and the "gotta pay everyone else" argument about Welker is a red herring.