Eli over Brady?

[Deus Irae]

Re: Qb

really? because im pretty sure the Raven DEFENSE got them to the superbowl, while in our case it was our QB play

The way you try to pick and choose, and then flip your arguments, should be embarrassing to you. "It's the defense" when Dilfer gets to the Super Bowl, but it's Rivers who's been unsuccessful when you want to knock him, even when it was the Chargers defense costing games.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Detroit was three spots ahead of the Giants in rushing.

Also, the Giants were dead last. Probably doesn't mean much, though.

it doesn't... our oline was in disarray and between Jacobs and Bradshaw they basically missed a whole season.

And the difference is that we are much more committed to the run, we run a balanced attack. Det threw the ball 70 more times and we ran it 70 more times.

then keep in mind that they probably jacked up their rushes on the year in the blowouts like KC, Denver, Chicago, and SD

 

[BSR]

okay, so are you applying that theory against Brady's early superbowls?

Brady was three seasons into his career by the time he had won two superbowls. He hardly had a Hall worthy career at that point but he also had a whole career in front of him. Again, it took much longer for Brady to cement his legacy.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Manning has only had 30 or more TDs once in his career, and it wasn't this year...

hence why I used the word range and 27 and 29 are in the 30 range im speaking of.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

You guys would have to throw in at least a couple of first round picks and another starter on defense for Eli and Stafford to switch teams.

lol, theres ball breaking and then theres reality

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Pretty much the same. If NY had faced NO instead of ATL they would be one and done as well. There's no way the Giants secondary would've stopped Brees and there's no way Eli would've kept up with Brees.

and if u would of played Pitt u prob would of been one and done

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Pretty much the same. If NY had faced NO instead of ATL they would be one and done as well. There's no way the Giants secondary would've stopped Brees and there's no way Eli would've kept up with Brees.

and if ur aunt had balls she'd be your uncle

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Doesn't matter. He argued Eli had a better season because he had more 4th quarter comebacks. That's ridiculous.

Also, Stafford threw for more than 5000 yards and 41 TDs at age 23. Care to remind us all what was Eli's production at 23? The reason the Lions were eliminated from SuperBowl contention had absolutely nothing to do with Stafford or the offense.

Nobody is denying Stafford has a bright future, but give me Calvin and im pretty sure i could throw for 10 TDs and 2000 yards

 

[NinjaZX6R]

and if u would of played Pitt u prob would of been one and done

No. We own the Steelers. Steelers completely changed their game plan on defense, something they had never run against us for the last decade.

 

[ProudestRyno]

it doesn't... our oline was in disarray and between Jacobs and Bradshaw they basically missed a whole season.

And the difference is that we are much more committed to the run, we run a balanced attack. Det threw the ball 70 more times and we ran it 70 more times.

then keep in mind that they probably jacked up their rushes on the year in the blowouts like KC, Denver, Chicago, and SD

Bradshaw played in 12 games. Jacobs played 14. Explain how they "basically missed the whole season".

Idiot.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

I consider losing to the Eventual SB champions who were 4 games better than your team during the regular season, and to a team that finished 18-1, to be perfectly acceptable. Outside of that, he's 3-2 in the playoffs, which is certainly nothing to be deriding the way you are. Also, unlike yourself apparently, I understand that Rivers was not to blame for the San Diego loss in 2006, given that he had his team in the lead prior to his defensive teammate brainlocking after an interception.



I consider the Falcons to be a team that's learning how to win. Prior to the Ryan/Smith era, that franchise had never even had back-to-back winning seasons. Now it needs to get tougher on the lines, and to learn how to handle playoff pressure.

talk about picking and choosing and being selective

2006 superbowl loss was on Eli? Pretty sure he wasn't the one that had the ball driven down his throat all night and setting the offense up for ****ty field position. He was the guy that drove the abll down the field and tied it with less than 2 left

either way Rivers has been a disappointment and nothing more than a fantasy football elite QB.

 

[RodThePat]

Nobody is denying Stafford has a bright future, but give me Calvin and im pretty sure i could throw for 10 TDs and 2000 yards

Nicks, Cruz, Manningham isn't a worse group than Megatron, Burleson, Young.

 

[ProudestRyno]

hence why I used the word range and 27 and 29 are in the 30 range im speaking of.

Bahahahahah.

27 is closer to 25 than 30. Don't say 27 is in "range of 30" because it helps your useless "argument".

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Ahm...he threw for 4k three times, at two of those times he did it with 4021 and 4002 yards. How does he average 4000 yards per season? And he never had a losing record, but his teams went 8-8 twice, and his career winning percentage is 58. Hardly fantastic.

ahh your right, just under 4k. 26.5 divided by 7 I apologize. 2 rings with those stats and hes in. Im not going to repeat everything i've repeated 16 times already

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Well how can anyone have an intelligent argument with your own subjective opinion. Good for you, that you prefer Manning in one game against Brady. The stats tend to lead in the other direction though...

whats subjective?

I have a picture of Eli holding a superbowl trophy with a bunch of Patriots in the backround to suggest otherwise

 

[RodThePat]

ahh your right, just under 4k. 26.5 divided by 7 I apologize. 2 rings with those stats and hes in. Im not going to repeat everything i've repeated 16 times already

He might very well end up in the Hall of Fame, but watching Eli play I never had the feeling I was witnessing a Hall of Famer.

 

[ProudestRyno]

talk about picking and choosing and being selective

2006 superbowl loss was on Eli? Pretty sure he wasn't the one that had the ball driven down his throat all night and setting the offense up for ****ty field position. He was the guy that drove the abll down the field and tied it with less than 2 left

either way Rivers has been a disappointment and nothing more than a fantasy football elite QB.

IT'S A TEAM GAME. Rivers is singularly better than Eli, but Eli has had better coaching, team. Thus more TEAM success.

 

[Deus Irae]

talk about picking and choosing and being selective

You posed a question that required a breakdown. I gave the breakdown. That's vastly different from claiming that it's the defense getting one team there, but ignoring that it was the defense preventing another team from moving on.

t2006 superbowl loss was on Eli? Pretty sure he wasn't the one that had the ball driven down his throat all night and setting the offense up for ****ty field position. He was the guy that drove the abll down the field and tied it with less than 2 left

I'm not sure what the hell you're trying to say here, since I never mentioned Eli in 2006.

either way Rivers has been a disappointment and nothing more than a fantasy football elite QB.

Nonsense

 

[meyerbudNYG]

You've been trying to say Eli is on Brady's level. And unless you think Eli is going to start having some of the best season's of all time any time soon (like Brady has), then his career projection is nothing CLOSE to Brady's.

This argument is ignorant. Just leave.

Brady 10x>>>>>>>>>>>> Manning. There is nothing Manning is better at than Brady, except maybe throwing incomplete passes, INTs, or juts flat out getting lucky.


PS I think Eli is a good QB, but be realistic.

eli has absolutely thrusted himself into that catagory whether you want to admit it or not, is no skin off my back.

I said multiple times overall for a full season I'd take Brady. Coming down to one game in the superbowl, its a coin flip.

 

[RodThePat]

eli has absolutely thrusted himself into that catagory whether you want to admit it or not, is no skin off my back.

I said multiple times overall for a full season I'd take Brady. Coming down to one game in the superbowl, its a coin flip.

I don't think Eli is in the Brady/Brees/Peyton category. One very good season does not a legend make. Even this year, if Eli was so great that he just assured himself as a Hall of Famer and elevated his name into the company of some of the greatest QBs to ever play, why did the Giants only win 9 games and struggled mightly to get in the playoffs?