2010 NFL MVP Debate (merged several times)

[JMarr]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

Brady's dead on and anyone who thinks MVP or Pro Bowl awards mean anything doesn't understand professional football, nor the patriot way.
Just another way for j***off mediots to make themselves feel important.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

I disagree with Brady about non-quarterbacks. I do believe that in some seasons, there are guys (Barry Sanders, for example) who can legitimately claim the MVP as a non-QB, but these seasons are few and far between. Going into a huge game, the quarterback play is easily the most important factor between winning and losing. Honestly, did you really think Maurice Jones-Drew would have more of an impact last week than Peyton Manning? Do you think Clay Matthews is more detrimental to lose than Aaron Rodgers? How much did Troy Polamalu impact the Pats-Steelers game in comparison to Tom Brady?

Being a non-QB means that you can usually be gameplanned out or taken away. I didn't even notice Polamalu was on the field against the Patriots although I have no doubt he brought his best, but I can tell you that had Ben Roethlisberger played lights out, that's a whole different game.

Another example of this is Julius Peppers vs. the Pats this year. Peppers is supposedly a top candidate for DPOY, while Brady is the MVP favorite. One is a quarterback and one is a defensive player. Peppers had a sack and disrupted a few plays, putting up a solid game, but Brady was crucial on every offensive play. At his best, Peppers is capable of swaying the odds of winning by maybe 10 percentage points; at his best, Brady is capable of swinging it by about 40 percentage points.

Whether you think the MVP award is a crock shouldn't matter. This rings true when it comes to draft picks and the salary cap as well.

 

[sevengables_2207]

Re: Why truly Brady is the MVP....

Brady has put together one of the greatest seasons in NFL history. On top of that, the Patriots have the best record in the league. So, in theory, would it be possible for another quarterback to do BETTER than Brady? For example, Mike Vick is the Patriots QB. Could he really put the Patriots in a better position than the #1 seed in the conference? No. It's impossible. Even in theory, the best case scenario is that Vick is Brady's equal. There is no theoretical argument that another quarterback could have done a better job.

Now, let's look at the Eagles. As has been stated before, Kevin Kolb quarterbacked this team to a win over the NFC's best team. It's looking like a tough argument already that "no one" can do what Vick does. I mean, there's no doubt that no one can do what Vick does physically, but I'm talking about results in the W column.

Another way to look at this. Brady is having one of the greatest seasons in NFL history. To say this isn't one of the most deserving MVP seasons ever would be stupid. Now, for someone to knock him off of the perch, that player would have to also have a historical, unheard-of season with absolutely no doubts whatsoever. Vick missed four games- argument over.

Good points. Unfortunately, the scare for Patriots fans who want Brady to win the MVP award is the media seemingly loves a "redemption" story, and if the player involved is a flashy, highlight-reel magnet, then that works in the player's favor too. Moreover, we know that there is an anti-Patriot faction alive and well in the media. However, we will have to wait and see if these factors are enough to sway the vote away from Brady and his superb achievements on the field this year.

 

[nabwong]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

Brady's dead on and anyone who thinks MVP or Pro Bowl awards mean anything doesn't understand professional football, nor the patriot way.
Just another way for j***off mediots to make themselves feel important.

But it means a lot to some fans and their lives will be ruined if they give it to someone else.

 

[Guts]

Here's a thought. Brady's record of not throwing an interception kinda scares me that he might throw a crucial one in the playoffs should he just get picked off at the Dolphins game or see if he can continue his hot streak going?

 

[Drewwho]

Here's a thought. Brady's record of not throwing an interception kinda scares me that he might throw a crucial one in the playoffs should he just get picked off at the Dolphins game or see if he can continue his hot streak going?

I think that thought has been on everyone's mind, but we are choosing to ignore THAT thought!

 

[TruthSeeker]

Here's a thought. Brady's record of not throwing an interception kinda scares me that he might throw a crucial one in the playoffs should he just get picked off at the Dolphins game or see if he can continue his hot streak going?

You can choose to live your life feeling scared or choose to live in confidence. IBBWT.

 

[Mountain_Commando]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense” | ProFootballTalk

Man, Brady shows nothing but class. This is why he earns the begrudging respect of (most of the) fans from other teams, even in a cut throat league where fans literally hate the guts of rival team's players.

Think about what how much he has achieved, not just in his career, but in life in general. It's ridiculously easy for that kind of success to go to the heads of even the most grounded individuals, yet Brady displays remarkable humility. I think part of that comes from a good upbringing, part of it comes from the fact that he's had to work his way up and earn every bit of his success, and partly from being in an organization that almost obsessively preaches placing the team ahead of the individual.

Tom Brady is truly a great role model.

 

[Disco Volante]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

Man, Brady shows nothing but class. This is why he earns the begrudging respect of (most of the) fans from other teams, even in a cut throat league where fans literally hate the guts of rival team's players.

Think about what how much he has achieved, not just in his career, but in life in general. It's ridiculously easy for that kind of success to go to the heads of even the most grounded individuals, yet Brady displays remarkable humility. I think part of that comes from a good upbringing, part of it comes from the fact that he's had to work his way up and earn every bit of his success, and partly from being in an organization that almost obsessively preaches placing the team ahead of the individual.

Tom Brady is truly a great role model.

Co-signed, wouldn't want anyone else leading my team.

 

[upstater1]

Brady has thrown interceptions in some big games. He threw them in Super Bowls, he threw one in an AFCCG against the Colts. As long as he doesn't throw multiple interceptions or a pick 6 in the second half of a big game, he's fine.

Don't fear Brady throwing an interception. It's not the end of the world.

 

[Brady2Welker]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

Man, Brady shows nothing but class. This is why he earns the begrudging respect of (most of the) fans from other teams, even in a cut throat league where fans literally hate the guts of rival team's players.

Think about what how much he has achieved, not just in his career, but in life in general. It's ridiculously easy for that kind of success to go to the heads of even the most grounded individuals, yet Brady displays remarkable humility. I think part of that comes from a good upbringing, part of it comes from the fact that he's had to work his way up and earn every bit of his success, and partly from being in an organization that almost obsessively preaches placing the team ahead of the individual.

Tom Brady is truly a great role model.

Great Link. I hope they give Vick all these useless ass awards.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Boomer Esiason claims that Brady will win the award. Contrary to many talking heads on radio, tv, and internet, Boomer is actually one of the 50 voters.

It Is What It Is Boomer Esiason on D&C: ‘Tom Brady is going to be MVP’

In addition, sportbook.com updated their MVP odds today, and it's looking more and more like a TB win.

Mike Vick +400 (20%)
Tom Brady -700 (87.5%)
Field +600 (14%)

*The amount over 100% is the vig.

 

[Fahrenhype]

More touchdowns thrown than anyone. The fewest INTs of starting QB's. 13 out of 15 meaningful games won, beating all four of the other AFC playoff teams they played against. I don't know how the playoffs are going to go, but nobody was close to Brady during this regular season. Case closed.

 

[Bella*chick]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

Tom Brady is truly a great role model.

That's why I felt fairly safe naming my kid after him. With some of these sports guys, you never know, but with Tom Brady you always know he tries his best always. There is literally nothing about Tom Brady (except maybe the Tara Reid stuff) that ever made me so much as raise my eyebrows. He's a good egg.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

That's why I felt fairly safe naming my kid after him. With some of these sports guys, you never know, but with Tom Brady you always know he tries his best always. There is literally nothing about Tom Brady (except maybe the Tara Reid stuff) that ever made me so much as raise my eyebrows. He's a good egg.

That's awesome that you named your kid after Brady. But did you name him Tom? Or Tombrady? That'd be a bit unusual, though very amusing too

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Why truly Brady is the MVP....

Brady is the MVP of the league for a variety of reasons, he has led a team to 13-2 with the possibility of going to 14-2 and a chance to win the Superbowl and his last INT was on a hail-mary pass, and to be honest the Patriots would not be here without Brady, no offense to Brent Hoyer. Also I think Vick deserves comeback player of the year.

I think Wes Welker deserves Comeback Player of the Year Award (although he hurt his chances tremendously with that brain fart performance this week). His comeback allowed us to trade away the greatest WR in the history of the world... I could even understand him sharing it with that guy who came back from the broken femur. Vick came back last season from his entirely self inflicted wounds and that this league even allowed him to is reward enough. This year in a contract season he lucked out because an already loaded team traded away an oft injured veteran QB to take a shot at an oft injured backup they drafted to replace him and :duh: he almost immediately got injured... As did Vick which he will increasingly do over the next couple of seasons during which he will again make potentially more $$ and highlight reels per season (via tag or idiotic contract extension his creditors should see the lions share of) than the best QB in a generation.

 

[Disco Volante]

Brady's record of not throwing an interception kinda scares me that he might throw a crucial one in the playoffs should he just get picked off at the Dolphins game or see if he can continue his hot streak going?

What kind of logic is this? If Brady throws an interception on Sunday he's less likely to throw one in the playoffs? There is no correlation between the two.

I think Wes Welker deserves Comeback Player of the Year Award (although he hurt his chances tremendously with that brain fart performance this week).

No one is going to remember a guy on the winning team having 3 meaningless (on the larger scale) drops in a 34-3 win.

 

[Deus Irae]

Channing Crowder has now weighed in:

“Everybody knows it should be Michael Vick, but they’re going to let Brady win it because it’s Tom Brady,” Crowder told FanHouse. “You’ve got to go with Vick. Vick’s my dude.”

Channing Crowder: MVP should be Vick, will be Brady | ProFootballTalk

 

[RodThePat]

Channing Crowder has now weighed in:



Channing Crowder: MVP should be Vick, will be Brady | ProFootballTalk

He has worse numbers (even if you consider his rushing stats), has played in less games, has won less games, is surrounded by better offensive talent. Really, how can there be ANY argument for Vick over Brady? I boggles my mind.

 

[Bella*chick]

Re: Brady: MVP award “doesn’t make a lot of sense”

That's awesome that you named your kid after Brady. But did you name him Tom? Or Tombrady? That'd be a bit unusual, though very amusing too

His name is Harrison Brady. OK, so he's named after Rodney too, and with all the mess about HGH I was kind of kicking myself. But overall, Rodney is very worthy too.