Welcome to PatsFans.com

2010 NFL MVP Debate (merged several times)

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by weswelker#83, Dec 21, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. weswelker#83

    weswelker#83 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 27, 2010
  2. TriplecHamp

    TriplecHamp Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    Messages:
    5,400
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    an argument can be made for either one, Vick provides so much for his team and so does Brady. Vick also has a handful of explosive play makers to utilize as well as a good defense. Brady has a young defense to work with and not as many explosive play makers if any. I wouldn't have any problem giving it to Vick though.
  3. Nikolai

    Nikolai Football Atheist PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,384
    Likes Received:
    15
    Ratings:
    +20 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #54 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I understand the support for Vick's MVP candidacy, but if Manning were in the same position as Brady in this race, Manning's victory would be sealed and delivered already.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2010
  4. robertweathers

    robertweathers Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    7,628
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I will say this. If Vick has another one or two games like last weekend, he will win it.

    If he plays normally, Brady will win it.
  5. Gwedd

    Gwedd PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2007
    Messages:
    4,896
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +15 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    No Mood
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I would agree with this.
  6. SanAngeloState

    SanAngeloState Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,289
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I hope vick wins it. MVP is just a distraction. The only real goal should be super bowl victory.
  7. NE39

    NE39 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2006
    Messages:
    1,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I don't think Vick has a shot because he has missed too much time. Brady isn't going to fall on his face, and Vick has missed 1/3 of the Eagles season.
  8. weswelker#83

    weswelker#83 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I am with you
  9. robertweathers

    robertweathers Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    7,628
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    Vick has a great shot. Look at the big picture.

    Statistically, he'll have played in 13 games. He'll have over 3k yds passing, over 20 Tds throwing and a Qb rating of over 100. He'll also have ran for 700 yds with 8-10 rushing TDs.

    He'll also have on his resume some pretty incredible comeback wins for a 11-12 win team.

    By any measure, that is an MVP worthy season.

    With that said, Brady deserves it more.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2010
  10. SVN

    SVN Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2005
    Messages:
    22,513
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

  11. ScottishPat

    ScottishPat Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2010
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    My picks for Players of year:

    MVP - Brady
    Offensive - Vick
    Defensive - Mayo, Matthews or Wake
    Offensive Rookie - Bradford
    Defensive Rookie - McCourty or Suh
    Comeback - Welker
    Coach - Belichick
  12. BSR

    BSR Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    2,903
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    Better take a picture of that article because it might be different by next weekend depending on how the games turn out. That author is a known fraud.
  13. ctpatsfan77

    ctpatsfan77 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    20,236
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +33 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    As someone noted (Florio?) the big factor in this is that it's an all-or-nothing vote: each of the 50 voters gets one vote, although they are allowed to split it (as some moron did in 2007, IIRC).
  14. Sciz

    Sciz PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    7,093
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    Apparently the key to getting MVP is to suck for half the game so you win in an exciting fashion.
  15. Lampshade

    Lampshade Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    Brady has done it against the best defenses the league has to offer.
  16. karguy85

    karguy85 Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    779
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    This seems like the right place to post this article. It is perhaps the dumbest argument to date for Vick for MVP. He says its like a movie where Brady is the rich preppy kid and Vick is the kid from the wrong side of the tracks (and thats why Brady will win the MVP). He also says that Vick wins games because he has the heart (like Brady hasn't been willing the team to win the last month or two). Additionally he says it doesn't matter anyway because Vick will surely get his revenge in the Super Bowl, as if New Orleans and Atlanta did not exist.

    Michael Vick Won’t Be NFL’s MVP | The Philly Post

    I don't have a problem with someone thinking Vick should win it over Brady, but this writer's argument is baseless. He quickly glosses over the fact that Brady has better stats as if they don't matter. Then rambles on about how the award is for most valuable player not most valuable quarterback.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2010
  17. fair catch fryar

    fair catch fryar Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2007
    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I, for one, would love to see Brady win the MVP and I couldn't disagree w/you more. Brady should win the award running away if you sit down and look at the body of work over the course of the season. His stats are better; completion percentage (66.6-percent to 63.2-percent), touchdowns (31 to 20), interceptions (4 to 5), yards (3,561 to 2,755) and fumbles (3 to 9).
    I know it's only my personal opinion, but screw the fact that Vick is coming back from an "extended vacation" and being a starting QB. That should have nothing to do with it. So what, he paid his debt to society and has the right to play in the NFL, IMO he's still a capital "DOUCHEBAG" for what he did. The case of which player means more to their team is a mute discussion because both the Pats and the Iggles would be screwed if they didn't have either one. I would actually daresay, that the Pats with all of the distractions and young players would be the worst-off if they didn't have Brady. The Eagles would've probably done decently with Kolb under center.
  18. robertweathers

    robertweathers Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    7,628
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    Vick vs the top 1/2 in the league scoring defense

    vs GB- #1- 20 points
    vs CHI-#2- 26 points
    vs NYG-#13-31 points

    Overall, not too bad.

    With that said, Brady has faced better defenses more frequently and been vastly superior.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2010
  19. PatsWickedPissah

    PatsWickedPissah PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    22,512
    Likes Received:
    70
    Ratings:
    +78 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #37 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    The only MVP award that means anything to Brady is SuperBowl MVP
  20. SVN

    SVN Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2005
    Messages:
    22,513
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

  21. upstater1

    upstater1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2005
    Messages:
    12,926
    Likes Received:
    9
    Ratings:
    +9 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I'm pretty sure Brady isn't getting caught up in this but I will tell you that enough fans or commentators have truly appreciated what Brady did in Chicago last week. Dick leBeau hit the nail on the head.

    Brady's performance was unbelievable.

    Rhoden's argument that Vick is multidimensional is easy to refute in one sense.
    Which would be easier to replicate, Vick's performance against the Giants or Brady's performance against the Bears? I'm not talking about Vick or Brady replicating their performances, but in general, which had a greater degree of difficulty? A guy like Vince Young or heck, maybe Cam Newton could do what Vick did (though Vick has been more consistent this year than Young ever will be) but how many QBs could replicate what Brady did? I'm struggling here. Maybe Peyton Manning, maybe Brees, maybe Favre but that's it.
  22. jbb9s

    jbb9s Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2006
    Messages:
    2,159
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I think Vick is the comeback player of the year (although, I am not sure the award has ever been given for non-injury related absence).

    Welker is back to where he was (almost) but Vick has exceeded where he was by a long shot. Also, fair or not fair, Welker played 16 games last year. So you don't see the bump in stats.

    Both players have interesting cases though.
  23. Fixit

    Fixit Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2006
    Messages:
    4,672
    Likes Received:
    9
    Ratings:
    +9 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    The only reason there's a debate at all is because of Vick's return from exile. Numbers-wise, it isn't close. Brady's better in every category except for exciting finishes after sucking for most of the game. And the defenses they've done it against can't even really be compared.

    As much as there's a bias to puff up Manning's accomplishments, there's a bias that takes Brady's greatness for granted.

    And please, please, stop with the "I don't want Brady to win MVP because I'd rather he won SB MVP" nonsense. Guys have done both. It just sounds silly.
  24. shmessy

    shmessy Maude Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    18,261
    Likes Received:
    22
    Ratings:
    +26 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #75 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    Before anyone clicks on that NY TImes link, please know the column is by William C. Rhoden - - the fraud who wrote the day of the Jets-Pats game about how that night would mark the end of the Pats and the "Ascendancy" of the Jets. This fraud then took down over 50% of the column and quickly edited it just after the game.

    Caveat emptor to anyone thinking about giving that guy the web clicks.
  25. Nikolai

    Nikolai Football Atheist PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,384
    Likes Received:
    15
    Ratings:
    +20 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #54 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    I don't get this argument. Of course Brady isn't focused on winning the season MVP, and if he gets it, he isn't going to suddenly stop playing. It's not a case of one or the other. Someone can have both.

    Vick should not get this award. He played last year, but he was invisible because he didn't do much (which is why I guess people don't realize that he's not eligible for this award). Welker didn't really miss much time because of his injury. I think Urlacher has the best chance in the voting for this award.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2010
  26. Nikolai

    Nikolai Football Atheist PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,384
    Likes Received:
    15
    Ratings:
    +20 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #54 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    They went back to the "log in" thing anyway, and I refuse to set up an account there.
  27. shmessy

    shmessy Maude Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    18,261
    Likes Received:
    22
    Ratings:
    +26 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #75 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    Unfortunately, I had clicked on the link before knowing who wrote it, so I had this up on my comptuter anyhow.

    I see it's another fraudulent column:

    "If N.F.L. rules can protect less mobile quarterbacks, then those quarterbacks who run and get injured should not be ruled out of consideration for an award. In fact, the injury, and the way Vick has come back from it, should enhance his chances."

    Can SOMEONE whisper into this ignoramus' ear that Brady PLAYED the second half of last season with broken ribs after coming back from a torn ACL???????
  28. Nikolai

    Nikolai Football Atheist PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,384
    Likes Received:
    15
    Ratings:
    +20 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #54 Jersey
    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    We could try, but I'm not sure he can see the Pats. He's looking for them somewhere on the retrograde.
  29. NE39

    NE39 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2006
    Messages:
    1,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    The guy is having a great year, no doubt, but he has missed 17 quarters this year, so even if he finishes out the year he will have only played 3/4 of the season. That is a huge factor.

    I mean, Philly beat Atlanta pretty soundly with Vick out, so it isn't like they suck without him. Yeah, he is a dynamic player who has had made a lot of big plays, but if you look at what Brady has done over the full season it is hard to argue Vick is a better candidate (IMO).
  30. tuckeverlasting

    tuckeverlasting Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    1,983
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Re: Vick Stirs Debate in the M.V.P. Vote

    my problem with rhoden is, the elephant in the room is if brady were african american.....
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page