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so far, it looks like sanchez lacks the mental capacity to be an NFL starter.

he needed to sit for a year. now he has nightmares

I'm thinking the same thing. He just can't process it all at one time. The best QBs in the NFL are also the smartest. Having athletic ability is just a bonus. It's the reason guys like Pennington can make it in the NFL and guys like Jamarcus Russell can't.
 
He had a pretty horrible game Monday, and I think the Jets still don't trust him. When you look at the Ravens D right now, I think it's clear what they have and don't have.

1. They have a dominant front 7 with 4 very good/elite players, Lewis, Ngata, Gregg and Suggs.

2. The secondary is very weak

The Ravens are one of the best teams against the run, and i was surprised that the Jets didn't try to throw the ball more outside. Holmes will be a big add for that team because that Edwards needs to hit the bench. I know he has great speed and can make a big play but it's not worth his stupid mistakes and drops. When they get Holmes they need to start him and Cotch
 
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How was he during the playoffs last year?

The Bengals game was really the only game he performed well and he threw 15 times in that game. Against, the Chargers he completed about 50% of his passes with one TD and one INT. He was inconsistent against the Colts and when they needed him to step up and carry the offense in the fourth quarter, he failed.
 
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over-hyped and under-whelming?

does that work for you?

Oh yeah? Check his playoffs stats and see its significant improvement before you blindly lash out.
 
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How was he during the playoffs last year?

Riding the coattails of a great defense and running game. His only completions were to wide open receivers on play action or dump-offs to RBs/Dustin Keller.
 
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The Bengals game was really the only game he performed well and he threw 15 times in that game. Against, the Chargers he completed about 50% of his passes with one TD and one INT. He was inconsistent against the Colts and when they needed him to step up and carry the offense in the fourth quarter, he failed.

Thanks Rob, I thought he did decent in the Colts game and was hobbled by the injury to his RB.

My point is that he showed a lot of improvement and that it would be a mistake to keep looking only at his first half of the season and expect him to keep throwing the ball to us. I will be delighted if that happens but am not prepared to write him off as a joker yet.
 
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Riding the coattails of a great defense and running game. His only completions were to wide open receivers on play action or dump-offs to RBs/Dustin Keller.

Guess you can say the same about Brady when he first came on board, no?

And to give more ammo to you: Sanchez didn't capture the benefits of the great D and RB support right from his second game (he did good in the first game I think and that led him to think that he was worth the hype IMO).
 
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Thanks Rob, I thought he did decent in the Colts game and was hobbled by the injury to his RB.

My point is that he showed a lot of improvement and that it would be a mistake to keep looking only at his first half of the season and expect him to keep throwing the ball to us. I will be delighted if that happens but am not prepared to write him off as a joker yet.

The point is that what he did in the playoffs wasn't that indicative of him taking the next step and becoming a competent quarterback. He didn't throw the ball much and he didn't win them any games. The only game in which they needed him to take over and make plays to lead'em to victory he failed. The stats look pretty, but he still was treated with kiddy gloves and didn't have a single exceptional performance.

Even Matt Stafford was trusted to take over games last season for the dreadful Lions, and he even had a remarkable performance on that win against the Browns. That was ALL Stafford. He won that game for them.

The only occasions we saw Sanchez throw more than 25 passes he was picked off multiple times and couldn't get anything going. He actually started the regular season much better than he ended it. His opening day performance againts the Texans in 09 was MILES ahead of what he did against the Ravens. One could argue he hasn't progressed a bit
 
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Guess you can say the same about Brady when he first came on board, no?

And to give more ammo to you: Sanchez didn't capture the benefits of the great D and RB support right from his second game (he did good in the first game I think and that led him to think that he was worth the hype IMO).

No I can't. Brady was instrumental in winning the Raiders game and the SuperBowl in 01. If Sanchez had a game winning drive in the playoffs last season, I'd agree more with your point.
 
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Thanks Rob, I thought he did decent in the Colts game and was hobbled by the injury to his RB.

My point is that he showed a lot of improvement and that it would be a mistake to keep looking only at his first half of the season and expect him to keep throwing the ball to us. I will be delighted if that happens but am not prepared to write him off as a joker yet.

The Jets had a great running game last year. I am not convinced they will have one this year. With a great running game, Sanchez was able to be a game manager. This year, he might be asked to carry the offense.
 
His stats from Monday nights game were very typical of last year
Except he didn't throw any INTs.

I blame the Jets coaching staff. In this particular game their game plan obviously gave minimal attention to challenging the Ravens secondary downfield, preferring to avoid turnovers by hammering "checkdown checkdown checkdown" into Sanchez's brain.

People are amazed Brady came from 6th round nowhere... successful QB development usually requires not only a capable QB but also a coaching staff which handles and develops that QB properly. Belichick frankly lucked into getting Brady, but once Brady was here Belichick recognized what he had and handled things beautifully. The Jets made a bold move to get Sanchez and then made coaching decisions based on their own needs -- justification of trading up -- rather than the best interests of Sanchez's development. He probably should have been brought along more slowly last year, given his college experience.

"Hard Knocks" and Rex's bombastic style will make it very difficult to get him back on track, now.
 
Jets should have his eyesight tested.....I bet they will find the guy is color blind and can't see the team logo on a guys uniform beyond 15 yards.
 
In last year's playoffs he made a nice read and throw to Edwards for a long TD - I think against SD. He also was finding Keller on a regular basis. He looked way more confident and capable than he did the other night.

I think if you take away his running game he's lost; any success he has is predicated on play action. Their running game is likely to be significantly down this year without Faneca and Jones, and with Woody another year older. They also haven't replaced Leon Washington, who was a major threat on screens. Greene and LT don't inspire much fear in me.
 
Also I think their team discipline is totally shot, now with Rex in his 2nd year. Last year's team was still Mangini's really. There's a reason BB makes his players focus so much, eliminates distractions, etc.; you need to be at your mental best to succeed. Ryan's approach won't work. That team will be shooting itself in the foot all year long.
 
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The point is that what he did in the playoffs wasn't that indicative of him taking the next step and becoming a competent quarterback. He didn't throw the ball much and he didn't win them any games. The only game in which they needed him to take over and make plays to lead'em to victory he failed. The stats look pretty, but he still was treated with kiddy gloves and didn't have a single exceptional performance.

Even Matt Stafford was trusted to take over games last season for the dreadful Lions, and he even had a remarkable performance on that win against the Browns. That was ALL Stafford. He won that game for them.

The only occasions we saw Sanchez throw more than 25 passes he was picked off multiple times and couldn't get anything going. He actually started the regular season much better than he ended it. His opening day performance againts the Texans in 09 was MILES ahead of what he did against the Ravens. One could argue he hasn't progressed a bit

First bold - I disagree; I would prefer to give more weight to the later games of the rookie and thought he did show a significant improvement. Which is why I am not prepared to shut the door on him just yet.

Both you and Rob make similar points on how he failed to step up and carry the O. A good point indeed, especially if this is the franchise QB that they moved up to grab.

Second bold - by god, I hope you are right and we get a few INT to effectively ground his passing thoughts! :)
 
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Sanchez physical skills (arm strength, mobility, touch) appear to be below average for an NFL QB with the potential to become adequate.
His mental abilities (reading a D, decision making, confidence, overall thought process) are totally abysmal. That can change over time, but the real fact is that there is a long, long line of failed first round QBs who followed this path.
His story isnt written, but the first few chapters are far from encouraging.
I know that as a Patriot fan I would rather have him play against us than the ancient, noodle-armed, should be retired Mark Brunell.
 
He sucks, bottom line.

Every quarterback in the NFL, even third stringers, are capable of getting into a rhythm and making some good passes. Sanchez does this rarely, and when he shows signs of competence- not elite skills- he is praised like Tom Brady x Peyton Manning.

Jets fans love to compare his development to great quarterbacks in their first few years, acting like he has already been given the right to greatness. Well, looking at his numbers, you'll find that he's much, much, much more likely to end up like Alex Smith, Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, or Ryan Leaf.

Last year I posted an in-depth analysis of the "Peyton Manning Myth", which basically showed that, while Manning underwhelmed in his first season and went on to greatness, he is the exception and not the rule. Most QBs are what they are. Sure, they will improve from their rookie season, but the there is rarely the type of enormous development that is fantasized about. QBs that throw a ton of INTs or have a really low completion % almost never succeed, despite all of the "potential" labels given to them. Manning is basically the only exception, and his situation was a really horrible team, nothing like the Jets.

The quarterback who had a comparable role to Sanchez was Ben Roethlisberger. Big Ben had a great running game and defense his first year with the Steelers, some good receivers, and was basically a game manager who was also supposed to make plays when needed.

The difference? Roethlisberger delivered, putting up a QB rating of over 98, with 17 TDs and 11 INTs, and leading the Steelers to a 15-1 record his first season and a SB victory in his second. Also blessed with one of the league's best offensive lines, defenses, and running games, Sanchez was one of the league's worst quarterbacks last year, putting up 12 TDs and 20 INTs.

He'll do better than Monday night, and there will be flashes where he seems like an average, or even good, quarterback. But I guarantee this guy is a backup within two years.
 
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I'm listening to the Fan they're discussing how Namath was trying to teach Sanchez ball position and how Sanchez rolled his eyes and blew him off. Maybe indicative of Sanchez's maturity/mentality. He thinks hes there already as an NFL QB and knows it all all ready.
 
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How was he during the playoffs last year?

He was inconsistent all year long, mostly bad, and that was what he was in the playoffs.
 
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The point is that what he did in the playoffs wasn't that indicative of him taking the next step and becoming a competent quarterback. He didn't throw the ball much and he didn't win them any games. The only game in which they needed him to take over and make plays to lead'em to victory he failed. The stats look pretty, but he still was treated with kiddy gloves and didn't have a single exceptional performance.

Even Matt Stafford was trusted to take over games last season for the dreadful Lions, and he even had a remarkable performance on that win against the Browns. That was ALL Stafford. He won that game for them.

The only occasions we saw Sanchez throw more than 25 passes he was picked off multiple times and couldn't get anything going. He actually started the regular season much better than he ended it. His opening day performance againts the Texans in 09 was MILES ahead of what he did against the Ravens. One could argue he hasn't progressed a bit


correct.



overhyped...underwhelming.
 
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