T.O would take less for us...

[pherein]

Agreed. The Cowboys just didn't know how to win and have a terrible coaching staff (after Parcells left).

If I'm not mistaken, the Saints didn't have many guys out or anybody too significant. The Cowboys beat them straight up and showed they can match up with them. However, the Cowboys struggle against strong pass rushers like the Vikings D-line.

As far as the Eagles go, one center does not cripple your entire offense. In fact, it's a cop out. The Cowboys were the best team in the division in 2009 and look to be the best team in the division for the next few years.

If the Cowboys can avoid the Vikings, they have a very good chance of making the super bowl.

just FYI

and we lost by 4pts by a sack on the cowboy 34. Cowboys could never beat the Saints full strength. Now the Packers are a good team and another story. We wanted the Cowboys for the playoffs, so we could wipe them of the face of the earth for all the bragging they did after beating 1/2 of our starting team.

Saints vs Cowboys

Saints: DNP:
DT Sedrick Ellis (knee),
CB Jabari Greer (groin).
T Jermon Bushrod (thumb),
G Jahri Evans (foot),
LB Scott Fujita (knee),
C Jonathan Goodwin (ankle),
K Garrett Hartley (right hip),
DE Bobby McCray (back),
LB Marvin Mitchell (hamstring),
G Carl Nicks (back),
CB Tracy Porter (knee),
TE Jeremy Shockey (toe),
T Jon Stinchcomb (knee),
RB Pierre Thomas (hip),
LB Jonathan Vilma (knee),
S Usama Young (hip)
RB Mike Bell (wrist, knee),
WR Lance Moore (ankle, hamstring)
S Darren Shaper ( ankle )Limited play

 

[jah]

just FYI

Saints vs Cowboys
and we lost by 4pts by a sack on the cowboy 34. Cowboys could never beat us full strength. Now the Packers are a good team and another story.

Saints: DNP:
DT Sedrick Ellis (knee),
CB Jabari Greer (groin).
T Jermon Bushrod (thumb),
G Jahri Evans (foot),
LB Scott Fujita (knee),
C Jonathan Goodwin (ankle),
K Garrett Hartley (right hip),
DE Bobby McCray (back),
LB Marvin Mitchell (hamstring),
G Carl Nicks (back),
CB Tracy Porter (knee),
TE Jeremy Shockey (toe),
T Jon Stinchcomb (knee),
RB Pierre Thomas (hip),
LB Jonathan Vilma (knee),
S Usama Young (hip)
RB Mike Bell (wrist, knee),
WR Lance Moore (ankle, hamstring)
S Darren Shaper ( ankle )Limited play

Whoa...quite the list of injuries.

 

[pherein]

Whoa...quite the list of injuries.

yea, we were messed up by that point.lol Cowboys didn't beat anyone that day.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

just FYI

and we lost by 4pts by a sack on the cowboy 34. Cowboys could never beat the Saints full strength. Now the Packers are a good team and another story. We wanted the Cowboys for the playoffs, so we could wipe them of the face of the earth for all the bragging they did after beating 1/2 of our starting team.

Saints vs Cowboys

Saints: DNP:
DT Sedrick Ellis (knee),
CB Jabari Greer (groin).
T Jermon Bushrod (thumb),
G Jahri Evans (foot),
LB Scott Fujita (knee),
C Jonathan Goodwin (ankle),
K Garrett Hartley (right hip),
DE Bobby McCray (back),
LB Marvin Mitchell (hamstring),
G Carl Nicks (back),
CB Tracy Porter (knee),
TE Jeremy Shockey (toe),
T Jon Stinchcomb (knee),
RB Pierre Thomas (hip),
LB Jonathan Vilma (knee),
S Usama Young (hip)
RB Mike Bell (wrist, knee),
WR Lance Moore (ankle, hamstring)
S Darren Shaper ( ankle )Limited play

Ultimately, it doesn't matter who you play, but when you play them - alot like the Arizona Cardinals in their 2008 playoff run. When Ken Wisenhunt decided to run a balanced attack instead of airing it out 50 X's a game, that's when the Cardinals made that playoff run at the end of the year(only to come up short in the Super Bowl).

 

[pherein]

Ultimately, it doesn't matter who you play, but when you play them - alot like the Arizona Cardinals in their 2008 playoff run. When Ken Wisenhunt decided to run a balanced attack instead of airing it out 50 X's a game, that's when the Cardinals made that playoff run at the end of the year(only to come up short in the Super Bowl).

Totally agree DisgruntledTunaFan, dont forget to add to that list the Patriots vs Ravens, you guys were pretty banged up by that point. I dont think a fully healthy Ravens beat a fully healthy Patriots. Just my take.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

As far as the Eagles go, one center does not cripple your entire offense. In fact, it's a cop out.

Yea? kinda how losing neal didnt cripple our offense in the game that shall not be named... I think losing your anchor on the o-line no matter what position causes a domino effect whether it's RG or C you win and lose games in the trenches.

jus my 0.02

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

just FYI

and we lost by 4pts by a sack on the cowboy 34. Cowboys could never beat the Saints full strength. Now the Packers are a good team and another story. We wanted the Cowboys for the playoffs, so we could wipe them of the face of the earth for all the bragging they did after beating 1/2 of our starting team.

Wow, my bad.

Yea? kinda how losing neal didnt cripple our offense in the game that shall not be named... I think losing your anchor on the o-line no matter what position causes a domino effect whether it's RG or C you win and lose games in the trenches.

jus my 0.02

Cop out. That what it is. What lost that game against the Giants was the Pats going insane and kept running plays that weren't working. They gave up on the run which may have at least slowed down the Giants'. Instead, they kept running plays that took two long to develop until the 4th quarter when they dink and dunked their way to a TD.

 

[goheels22002]

Wow, my bad.


Cop out. That what it is. What lost that game against the Giants was the Pats going insane and kept running plays that weren't working. They gave up on the run which may have at least slowed down the Giants'. Instead, they kept running plays that took two long to develop until the 4th quarter when they dink and dunked their way to a TD.

That is exactly right. The blitz-happy Giants came from everywhere all game at that line and backfield. The 2003-2004 Pats would have said, meet my little friend Cory Dillon and his running buddies Patrick Pass and Kevin Faulk. A little smash-mouth blocking and running would have opened up the passing game but the Pats kept running those complex patterns that weren't working like they had against the Redskins.

Neal would have helped but a better game plan would have won it.

 

[signbabybrady]

That is exactly right. The blitz-happy Giants came from everywhere all game at that line and backfield. The 2003-2004 Pats would have said, meet my little friend Cory Dillon and his running buddies Patrick Pass and Kevin Faulk. A little smash-mouth blocking and running would have opened up the passing game but the Pats kept running those complex patterns that weren't working like they had against the Redskins.

Neal would have helped but a better game plan would have won it.

This just made me think of what the 2007 patriots would have looked like with a 2004 Corey Dillon on the team

 

[MoLewisrocks]

That is exactly right. The blitz-happy Giants came from everywhere all game at that line and backfield. The 2003-2004 Pats would have said, meet my little friend Cory Dillon and his running buddies Patrick Pass and Kevin Faulk. A little smash-mouth blocking and running would have opened up the passing game but the Pats kept running those complex patterns that weren't working like they had against the Redskins.

Neal would have helped but a better game plan would have won it.

It's tough to game plan for a 2004 Corey Dillon when you haven't had that guy on the roster since 2004...let alone when Faulk gets dinged up and your 3rd stringer is BLGE because you lost Morris halfway through the season. And had Neal been out back then...but he wasn't. Just like he wasn't out when we FINALLY took the field after the defense gave up a FG on the longest drive in Superbowl history and scored a TD. Once Neal left the game the Giants front 4 rush found it's footing and it was effective no matter what we tried...

 

[JoeShmoe]

That is exactly right. The blitz-happy Giants came from everywhere all game at that line and backfield. The 2003-2004 Pats would have said, meet my little friend Cory Dillon and his running buddies Patrick Pass and Kevin Faulk. A little smash-mouth blocking and running would have opened up the passing game but the Pats kept running those complex patterns that weren't working like they had against the Redskins.

Neal would have helped but a better game plan would have won it.

This

We just got pass happy that season (Brady became Manning) and lost the clock control and short field play that made us the team we were in the SB seasons

To some degree were still too pass happy IMO and wait far too long for plays to develop. We just dont seem to run simple slants and outs which would bread and butter for Moss instead of sending him downfield *all* the time (plus the obligatry draw to Faulk)

My overarching meomory of last season is our offense became so predictable and based around 2 or 3 plays that Ray Lewis and co even knew the calls.

I hope next season we see less gun and more creativity, with the TE's and RB;s MUCH more involved

 

[goheels22002]

Yeah - the 2007 Pats just didn't have the running game necessary including blocking backs that could pick up blitzers to give Brady more time. You lose a key OL and you get what the Pats got.

I worry about 2010 as well - that backfield just doesn't inspire a lot of confidence to keep defenses honest unless one of the new guys proves to be workhorse. The big backs are all so injury-prone and Maroney is, well, Maroney.

The passing game will be great with Edelmen, Welker, Moss, Holt, and the stud tight ends. If Tate is okay, look out. But who keeps the blitzers honest?

 

[Christopher Patriot]

Maroney and Faulk

 

[BeauSox]

Like Nike: Just Do It! SIGN T.O!

BB is always searching for value. Theres value in every facet of signing TO. Let me break this down...

1.He should sign for "close" to the veteran minimum. He represents a potential positional upgrade, and defenses would have trouble accounting for both Moss and TO..Bottom line, the cost is cheap.

2.He can battle it out in camp. He has to earn a spot over the crew of guys we have. People are saying our current crop of WR's is good. But its still just on paper. TO put up 50+ Catches and 800+ yards last year with the NFL equivalent of grandma throwing the ball to him, in Buffalo. He requires your current crop of WR's to PROVE THAT THEY DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT, and gives them some credibility. When the young guys beat him out, that gives them confidence.

3.If you cut TO in training camp(because he screws up with his antics), it solidifies the organizational philosophy in the locker room. Soo much emphasis has been put on locker room attitude, chemistry, and the "Patriot Way", that letting the young guys see the talent that is TO, screw up, then get cut quickly, would send a clear message on what it is to be a patriot, and what is required of you to play here.

4.The Reward outweighs the risk. TO could make this team unstoppable thru the air based on the fact that they would have to account for him. He would help keep double pressure off Moss, would open up the middle for welker/edelman...and let the average RB's on our roster look like stars every once and awhile. Bottom line, the risk level is the same when we traded for moss, except its only money we would lose, not a draft pick. God forbid you have to cut him...or he beats out a guy like patten, or holt for a job...

Sign TO. Let him come to camp and compete...just like the 7th round rookies. Test his humility, and his desire to just play football. See if hes simply ready to make a run at a super bowl ring, and leave his ego behind. See if hes capable of being a decoy for three weeks at a time before he gets the chance to make a big play. Hes in the twilight of his career, and a ring has so far eluded him...lets test his motivation for one

 

[Snake Eyes]

Re: Like Nike: Just Do It! SIGN T.O!

BB is always searching for value. Theres value in every facet of signing TO. Let me break this down...

1.He should sign for "close" to the veteran minimum. He represents a potential positional upgrade, and defenses would have trouble accounting for both Moss and TO..Bottom line, the cost is cheap.

2.He can battle it out in camp. He has to earn a spot over the crew of guys we have. People are saying our current crop of WR's is good. But its still just on paper. TO put up 50+ Catches and 800+ yards last year with the NFL equivalent of grandma throwing the ball to him, in Buffalo. He requires your current crop of WR's to PROVE THAT THEY DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT, and gives them some credibility. When the young guys beat him out, that gives them confidence.

3.If you cut TO in training camp(because he screws up with his antics), it solidifies the organizational philosophy in the locker room. Soo much emphasis has been put on locker room attitude, chemistry, and the "Patriot Way", that letting the young guys see the talent that is TO, screw up, then get cut quickly, would send a clear message on what it is to be a patriot, and what is required of you to play here.

4.The Reward outweighs the risk. TO could make this team unstoppable thru the air based on the fact that they would have to account for him. He would help keep double pressure off Moss, would open up the middle for welker/edelman...and let the average RB's on our roster look like stars every once and awhile. Bottom line, the risk level is the same when we traded for moss, except its only money we would lose, not a draft pick. God forbid you have to cut him...or he beats out a guy like patten, or holt for a job...

Sign TO. Let him come to camp and compete...just like the 7th round rookies. Test his humility, and his desire to just play football. See if hes simply ready to make a run at a super bowl ring, and leave his ego behind. See if hes capable of being a decoy for three weeks at a time before he gets the chance to make a big play. Hes in the twilight of his career, and a ring has so far eluded him...lets test his motivation for one

:youtheman:

 

[JonVaughnTD]

Re: Like Nike: Just Do It! SIGN T.O!

BB is always searching for value. Theres value in every facet of signing TO. Let me break this down...

1.He should sign for "close" to the veteran minimum. He represents a potential positional upgrade, and defenses would have trouble accounting for both Moss and TO..Bottom line, the cost is cheap.

2.He can battle it out in camp. He has to earn a spot over the crew of guys we have. People are saying our current crop of WR's is good. But its still just on paper. TO put up 50+ Catches and 800+ yards last year with the NFL equivalent of grandma throwing the ball to him, in Buffalo. He requires your current crop of WR's to PROVE THAT THEY DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT, and gives them some credibility. When the young guys beat him out, that gives them confidence.

3.If you cut TO in training camp(because he screws up with his antics), it solidifies the organizational philosophy in the locker room. Soo much emphasis has been put on locker room attitude, chemistry, and the "Patriot Way", that letting the young guys see the talent that is TO, screw up, then get cut quickly, would send a clear message on what it is to be a patriot, and what is required of you to play here.

4.The Reward outweighs the risk. TO could make this team unstoppable thru the air based on the fact that they would have to account for him. He would help keep double pressure off Moss, would open up the middle for welker/edelman...and let the average RB's on our roster look like stars every once and awhile. Bottom line, the risk level is the same when we traded for moss, except its only money we would lose, not a draft pick. God forbid you have to cut him...or he beats out a guy like patten, or holt for a job...

Sign TO. Let him come to camp and compete...just like the 7th round rookies. Test his humility, and his desire to just play football. See if hes simply ready to make a run at a super bowl ring, and leave his ego behind. See if hes capable of being a decoy for three weeks at a time before he gets the chance to make a big play. Hes in the twilight of his career, and a ring has so far eluded him...lets test his motivation for one

Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Please sign him.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

2.He can battle it out in camp. He has to earn a spot over the crew of guys we have. People are saying our current crop of WR's is good. But its still just on paper. TO put up 50+ Catches and 800+ yards last year with the NFL equivalent of grandma throwing the ball to him, in Buffalo. He requires your current crop of WR's to PROVE THAT THEY DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT, and gives them some credibility. When the young guys beat him out, that gives them confidence.

But is one year of TO worth cutting, say, Brandon Tate or Taylor Price? From a practical standpoint, the only player TO could compete with is Holt.

4.The Reward outweighs the risk. TO could make this team unstoppable thru the air based on the fact that they would have to account for him. He would help keep double pressure off Moss, would open up the middle for welker/edelman...and let the average RB's on our roster look like stars every once and awhile. Bottom line, the risk level is the same when we traded for moss, except its only money we would lose, not a draft pick. God forbid you have to cut him...or he beats out a guy like patten, or holt for a job...

Patten is already a dark horse as it is (remember it goes Moss/Welker 1A/1B, then Edelman, Tate, and Price are basically uncuttable).

I will give you the latter part, but I think that even with what the Patriots have right now, by the end of the season, this could be the best set of pass catchers (WR, TE, and RB combined) in NFL history.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

low risk...high reward...sign him baby

 

[Garbanza]

1) One of the biggest issues, and problems, last season was vert leadership and lockerroom - you think TO will help?

2) You really think TO and Moss can co-exist?

3) What happens when freelancing TO does not run the correct route and Brady "scolds" him. Because we all know how well TO deals with critisism.

4) A HUGE no thank you to that headcase, qb killer. Nope. Uh-uh. Do not want!

 

[TrueBeliever]

Well if we don't sign him, maybe he could play for the Miami Heat.

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