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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I don't get how New Era Scouting is so high on Kindle and so low on Sapp in certain areas. Like for instance, they claim Kindle has top level strength at 6'4 239, while Sapp is too weak at 6'4 242. I don't know it seems a little biased to me. I would consider Kindle and Sapp the same type of prospect. Speed edge rushers who would excel on the weak side and have good burst off the line. Both need to add some bulk. I just don't get how they compare Kindle to Ware and say Sapp is going to be overdrafted/overrated.
A hand punch is a blow to the chest plate of the shoulder pads or to the shoulder pads themselves, usually with the heal of the hand, intended to slow or stagger an opponent. An offensive lineman would use this to stand up a defensive lineman he is blocking on a run play, or to check the pass rush of a defender. If the OL can stand up the DL, it's easier to get under his pads and gain leverage to push him away from the play, ditto the pass rusher. Defenders will do this against blockers to stand them up and get under their pads so you can shed them to reach the QB or ball carrier.Could someone help me out and pleasd explain a hand punch? I've seen it mentioned several times and have no clue what it is. I'm a novice at this so go easy.
One more thing. In that link with the breakdowns of the defensive lineman it says great strength for Austen Lane...he benches 350. Same for Jason Worilds...he benches 385. Is this considerd a lot of weight by NFL standards. It just doesn't seem like that much considering these guys weigh 250 pounds. I guess considering they are still young maybe but throwing up that weight and weighing that much doesn't seem very impressive.
Loving all the links and commentary. Great work people. Thanks a lot.
As a once upon a time 120 pound two-way starting Guard, I enjoy trying to puzzle out what's happening where it really counts. Most of my memories from that time are either face down in the turf or a bit hazy for some reason...Thank you for your hand punch explanation box. That helps a lot. I've been wondering about that for some time. It's hard to see what goes on in the trenches just watching a tv broadcast. That aspect of the game intrigues me the most. The trench warfare. Great stuff.
Ask away, intelligent questions, even off topic, do not derail a thread and are a refreshing change from the calls for new coordinators or Cornerbacks or whichever OL is currently the whipping boy.Haha. That's awesome.
Amazing to see how big the guys on the line are. When they show the filed level view on the tv you can see how they just monster over everybody else. 6'7" 330 is a humongous dude.
Just one more question and I'll leave you alone. Do teams update weights year to year or do they just list the weight of player when he was drafted and never change it?
sorry to derail the thread some. My apologies.
Ask away, intelligent questions, even off topic, do not derail a thread and are a refreshing change from the calls for new coordinators or Cornerbacks or whichever OL is currently the whipping boy.
I can't speak to all 32 team's practices, NE's published roster is unofficial, so changes are slow, often the numbers are taken from college rosters (Wendell's 275 is directly from Fresno State and not from his Pro Day & All-Star game weigh-ins which were 10 lbs heavier).
If you go look at the 2001 roster you'll see Bruschi listed as 245 Official New England Patriots - Team / - Roster Reports, in 2003 they listed him at 247 Official New England Patriots - Team - Roster Reports which remained effective through his final year in 2008 - yet a casual observer would have noted he looked heavier after he came back from his stroke and they started playing him at SILB in place of Ted Johnson (where he would have needed a bit more weight).
Another example, at the beginning of Training Camp Mayo was asked about his weight and reportedly said he was at 250 or a bit over - his roster weight remained at 242 from his Combine weigh-in. Yet another is Edelman who is listed as 6', yet his Pro-Day height was a shade over 5'10".
For the most part the roster weights are all we have to work with, even if we have Combine, Pro-Day, or College All-Star game weigh-ins, those numbers are at best a starting point once the Strength & Conditioning coaches and the nutritionists get their hands on the lads. :confused2:
For starters try this site: Football 101: Defensive TacklesChecked out the Pats site and they have Wilfork listed at 325 and jeez he hasn't been at 325 in some time. Guess they feel there is some competitive advantage for doing it. Anyway this is my last question and I appreciate your help. Can you recommend a book where I can learn about techniques? I hear references to so and so is a 5 technique or a 0 technique. Please steer me in the right direction so I can gain a few points on my football IQ. Thanks in advance.
Here's a question Mr. Box Do you see any OLB's in this draft as lets say Barwin from last year. In reading this years scouting reports i think last years crop was more complete on the whole. INO is this true. The only complete LB prospect is McClain from what i've read.
There are no perfect NE 3-4 LB candidates in this draft, including McClain. I'm not setting my sights for a high draft pick in this draft, I'd prefer NE used the first two picks on a DL and WR respectively, but there are a couple kids who might make BB consider a second round pick.Here's a question Mr. Box Do you see any OLB's in this draft as lets say Barwin from last year. In reading this years scouting reports i think last years crop was more complete on the whole. INO is this true. The only complete LB prospect is McClain from what i've read.
Some are quick but to lite, some are fast and stong but to short, some don't have a consistant motor, some are fast strong and have a high motor but lack recognition skills etc..
Example Hughes is quick but limited in his pass rush moves and stopping the run.
Kindle isn't as fast but a good hitter but lacks lower body strenth.
B. Graham seems a little short for a BB OLB.
Spikes inconsitant moter i think it was