Theismann down on Brady

[Jangles]

Than you're no brighter than some of the other geniuses in this thread. It wasn't Brady or his knee, it was injuries to and the the lack of viable weapons on offense.

I disagree to some extent

Brady looked uncomfortable and his throws weren't always precise. So I disagree when you say his injury had nothing to do with this seasons outcome.

I do agree with you when you say the team suffered from injuries and a lack of weapons.

 

[dhamz]

what we saw this year is our brady
28 TDs 10-12 INTs

the difference this year was he didnt have the D to bail him out this year, we need to get better on D

Since when did Tom Brady ever need the D to bail him out?

The difference this year compared to other years is Brady wasn't his usual clutch self with the exception of the opener. He didn't play well in the 4th quarter. His 4th quarter stats were downright mediocre but Tom Brady has never just been about stats. There were a couple bad late Ints when scores were needed, a couple of games where a first down was needed to wrap it up and it didn't get done. Those are the things Brady has done better than anyone in this era, maybe ever. Injuries and other factors no doubt were a big part of it.

I don't doubt he will be back better next year. I just don't agree that because the numbers say he was as good as ever that he actually was. It wasn't numbers that made him the best in the game for most of the decade.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Why stats are dumb.

Brady: 28 TD 13 INT 4,398 yds 96.2 rtg

Manning:33 TD 16 INT 4,500 yds 99.9 rtg

By this, Brady and Manning seem to be very close this year. However, we all know Brady did not play well for him and this was one of Peyton's best years. Stats stink.

 

[Brady_12]

Why stats are dumb.

Brady: 28 TD 13 INT 4,398 yds 96.2 rtg

Manning:33 TD 16 INT 4,500 yds 99.9 rtg

By this, Brady and Manning seem to be very close this year. However, we all know Brady did not play well for him and this was one of Peyton's best years. Stats stink.

Agreed, stats stink. That said, I think if you put this years version of Brady on the Chickens they are still in the SB.

 

[iapatsfan]

they're idiots.....what do they know:bricks:

I think to ignore the fact that Brady did not seem like himself last year is extreme homerism. From week one on, he did not seem to have the same outwardly competitive attitude he has always possessed. I never agree with Felger on anything, and I firmly believe he is a hack, but why, after so many years of having it, would Brady not have his parking space as a result of his participation in the offseason workout program? Coming off major knee surgery, you would think he would be in the facility more than ever. I don't know if it is his marriage at all, but something was very different with Brady last season.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

He had ONE receiver to throw to, who was being covered by Revis and a safety.

Brady has thrown to worse in 2001. Saying he didn't have any recievers is a lame excuse. I heard Ben Watson can run a 4.4 40. Maybe they could've used his athletic ability.

Funny you absolve the same defense that allowed the game-tying TD in the 4th. And I guess the strip-sack was all Brady's fault too

They scored 17 points in the 1st half and zero in the 2nd. Brady missed a wide open Moss that would've resulted into a TD in the 1st half, yet they instead kicked a field goal to go up 10-0. The defense (as much as I think they suck) held Denver to 17 points. That should be enough to win.

It was a first down and Brady didn't cause Faulk to bobble it enough to give the refs valid excuse to mis-spot the ball.

First, it was a bad read on Brady's part and it was a risky throw. Welker was wide open.

NITPICK AND LIE, 352 yards in a place he always struggles. 7 points in the 2nd half.

I wasn't lying, it was an honest mistake. I thought the score at half was 21-7, but it was 14-10. However, they were up 14-0 at one point but were outscored 22-7 after that. They should've won that game and you know it.

Last game of the season and meaningless lol. Now this is just rock bottom pitiful.

The Houston game might have been meaningless, but it was a continuation of a trend that went on the entire season.

Not being able to WIN the game in the 4th is NOT the same as LOSING the game for the team. There's a lot more to a football game than the 4th quarter. To blame these losses on Brady for not winning them is beyond stupid. Beyond stupid.

Read that sentence in bold again and really think how dumb it sounds. If there was a lot more to the game than the 4th quarter, than the Pats would be 14-2. 5 out of 6 of their losses came after blowing 4th quarter leads. One game resulted in a blowout (New Orleans) and they had one 4th quarter comeback against Buffalo. Every other game they played in this season, they led in the 4th quarter.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I disagree to some extent

Brady looked uncomfortable and his throws weren't always precise. So I disagree when you say his injury had nothing to do with this seasons outcome.

I do agree with you when you say the team suffered from injuries and a lack of weapons.

You try looking comfortable throwing to conversion project WR's when your ribs are cracked...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I think to ignore the fact that Brady did not seem like himself last year is extreme homerism. From week one on, he did not seem to have the same outwardly competitive attitude he has always possessed. I never agree with Felger on anything, and I firmly believe he is a hack, but why, after so many years of having it, would Brady not have his parking space as a result of his participation in the offseason workout program? Coming off major knee surgery, you would think he would be in the facility more than ever. I don't know if it is his marriage at all, but something was very different with Brady last season.

He hasn't had the parking space for a couple of years now. After 2007 Belichick told him to get away from football for a while. Ditto a lot of the veterans. They were emotionally drained and he knew it. As for 2009, he couldn't have won the spot if he wanted to because he was rehabbing an injury until May. He was working harder than ever, but not on the same regimine. And his surgeon was in LA.

 

[Jangles]

You try looking comfortable throwing to conversion project WR's when your ribs are cracked...

I didn't say he played poorly. I said he could have played better. I am not unhappy with his statistics or performance at all but, especially after everything he went through in the least 2 seasons. I'm sure even he would tell you that he had a lot of missed opportunities though.

Although I agree that even the '07 version of Brady wouldn't have made a difference when throwing to people like Aiken that don't know how to catch a football.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

there's nothing in his contract about married, traveled, 2nd kid being acceptable reasons for being aloof

that said, its a different offense if they actually had an offensive coordinator

I must have missed the part of his contract that requires "that look in his eyes," and "intangibles."

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Brady has thrown to worse in 2001. Saying he didn't have any recievers is a lame excuse. I heard Ben Watson can run a 4.4 40. Maybe they could've used his athletic ability.

That offense which was apparently before your time Archives was a lot different than the one he was attempting to run this season. He had two solid WR's and a solid running game and this team didn't have a target on it's back and teams working off blueprints to stop it...

They scored 17 points in the 1st half and zero in the 2nd. Brady missed a wide open Moss that would've resulted into a TD in the 1st half, yet they instead kicked a field goal to go up 10-0. The defense (as much as I think they suck) held Denver to 17 points. That should be enough to win.

All QB's miss throws, even Manning...LOL

First, it was a bad read on Brady's part and it was a risky throw. Welker was wide open.

There was no bad read, it was Faulk all the way based on the matchup. It was a perfect throw, just not a perfect route. Faulk got bumped off the line, something he's not used to, and he was late and therefore short on his route.

I wasn't lying, it was an honest mistake. I thought the score at half was 21-7, but it was 14-10. However, they were up 14-0 at one point but were outscored 22-7 after that. They should've won that game and you know it.

The defense gave up...nevermind. You just have selective accountability disorder...

The Houston game might have been meaningless, but it was a continuation of a trend that went on the entire season.

And that trend was based on failures to execute and injuries and personnel miscalculations across the board, which makes a QB's job next to impossible...

Read that sentence in bold again and really think how dumb it sounds. If there was a lot more to the game than the 4th quarter, than the Pats would be 14-2. 5 out of 6 of their losses came after blowing 4th quarter leads. One game resulted in a blowout (New Orleans) and they had one 4th quarter comeback against Buffalo. Every other game they played in this season, they led in the 4th quarter.

Read what you just wrote, after blowing 4th quarter leads...LOL

 

[bigfandan]

I hope you are right and Brady that we all know will be back soon. But it is also a fact that no other elite qb has such a high profile wife at height of his playing career.

Let's be honest, which wife is more likely adjust her life style to accomadate guy's career, Brady's $30mm wife or Mannings' homemaker wife? It's not Brady's fault that he fell in love with Giselle, but these choices in life have consequences. That been said, there are plenty Brady (and Giselle) could do to make it a non critical issue. But family life can affect a player's career in a big way (just look at what Tiger Woods); and guys, having a rich and famous wife is not conducive to a guy's career in most lines of work.

I adore Brady but he may have chosen love over football. There is no shame in that either.

A few things:

1.) Brady is no longer a 23 year old skinny kid who still is working on building his armstrength and mechanics. That was why it was so important for him to be here in the offseason and why he won the offseason awards. Brady just doesn't need the offseason preparation he did when he was a second or third year starter. By most accounts, he is still very active in the offseason program here.
2.) The whole Gisele and the kids thing is whooey. Is Brady the first NFL QB to ever get married, have kids, and live in another state during the offseason?!? Many very successful people, even more successful and harder working than Brady, have been able to compartmentalize their lives and still be very successful with far more distractions.
3.) I think Brady hit a perfect storm of adversity last year, many of which was beyond his control. He was returning from a season ending injury that caused him to miss the entire 2008 season. He probably had a broken finger and cracked ribs for a large chunk of the season. He had a new inexperienced signal caller. There was no depth at the receiver position. Moss was playing with a separated shoulder. The Pats went into the season with the intention of leaning on the offense while the defense went into a transition period.

I expect Brady to rebound in 2010. I could be wrong, but I thought most of the problems were fixable. Even having an off year, he did have a pretty good season. Not to Brady standards, but still above average for NFL standards.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Read what you just wrote, after blowing 4th quarter leads...LOL

What's your point? They led in every game except for Week 1 against Buffalo and New Orleans.

You guys are too much. If Brady isn't the problem, BB isn't the problem, the defense isn't the problem, then what is?

 

[RyanP421]

Theismann was not down on brady but said he used to look like "we are going to kick your az" look to trying hard. He said brady was trying too hard to make things work and letting things not come naturally.
Felger brought about the whole wife /kids angle and theismann said that is just stupid. He said he won SB and had some big season after he was 33 while have kids, 2 radio shows and running a business. felger moved away as he could not argue when joe said that.

Brady will be back...that is what joe said. felger is a funny guy he loves to be loud and make some noise. I am sure he make good $$$ acting the fool.

Um what?

 

[Deus Irae]

What's your point? They led in every game except for Week 1 against Buffalo and New Orleans.

You guys are too much. If Brady isn't the problem, BB isn't the problem, the defense isn't the problem, then what is?

Every other game they played in this season, they led in the 4th quarter.

You might want to ponder the import of this.

 

[MoneyFX]

Well, we all have to admit, Brady sorta faltered down the stretch this year. He played extremely horrible on the road (except for Indy and Denver), getting outplayed by many other QBs. But then again, he is coming back from a MAJOR knee injury, an injury that would alter players' careers. Brady had a great year despite the conditions he has gone through. Another year healthy under center and some more weapons especially at the WR spot, should get him a great season that were all used to see from him. Brady had some great, perhaps, extraordinary games, and of course the 3-pick stinker against the Ravens.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

You might want to ponder the import of this.

Still don't know what you guys are talking about. Every game other than the first game and the New Orleans game, the Pats had 4th quarter leads.

 

[AJY the Jets troll]

Brady's too good for this treatment, there it's said.

Did we all forget that he tore his ACL the year before. He didn't play like himself because his body wasn't the same. It will be after another year of healing. I attribute the mental mistakes to the time away from the game and the time it takes to get all the other things normal before the game becomes second nature again after a big injury.

This team needs to win a post-Spygate Superbowl so that there are zero question marks regarding it's legacy.

 

[cincipatsfan]

Theismann opinion
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Specifically on Brady
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Give a **** meter is pegged at zero.

 

[Seneschal2]

Brady looked pretty effin' motivated in the 4th quarter against Buffalo, and that was week 1. In week 2 he lost Welker for two weeks. Edleman filled in...and then he broke his arm. And Taylor went down for several weeks over the course of which Brady cracked and reinjured ribs and broke his ring finger, Moss injured his back so badly he could barely walk, then at some point separated his shoulder, Maroney developed the dropsies and then Welker went down for good....

Aloof might be the wrong word. Introspective and overwhelmed...more likely.

Add in frustrated -- for the entire season.

And while we're at it, let's throw in some trivial stats on offense:

30 penalties divided among Mankins, Neal, Koppen, and Vollmer. 16 false starts among the O-line, Baker, and Aiken. 6 delay of game penalties (some of which were slow substitution and slow communication from the sideline). Granted, some of the offensive penalties were holding (11), which should never be a point of emphasis given their commonness, but the false starts and delay of game ones -- are unacceptable and avoidable for an offense that practices to be in sync throughout the course of the season.

Galloway...was not a failed experiment. As a longtime veteran receiver -- he was an expectation. Simply stated, it wasn't too much to expect for a veteran to be a reliable option for Brady. Someone who could run proper routes (w/ and w/o the ball), and have reliable hands when his # is called. No one expected gaudy stats from him...just someone to take the heat off of Moss downfield and be one of a reliable trio for Brady. Well, it didn't happen the way it was drawn up, awakening Brady & Co. to the reality of playing out the season with the hand they were dealt (Aiken and the others). Persevere they did...right into the playoffs with an out of sync offense.

Finally, Mo's post, some stats, and JMHO, are reasons (not excuses) why Brady appeared to be frustrated throughout the season. The last time I worked out and huddled with Brady, he didn't appear to be disinterested or unfocused. And it's not homerism to say, as a tv viewer, I only witnessed frustration on his part. For the positive qualities he's exhibited to now be scrutinized is quite frankly -- undeserving and unfair. He's earned so much more respect than he's being given...and like Belichick will do for him this season, I'd prefer to show my support for him while he's in NE. Not too much to ask...