King: Pats explore moving up

[StyLeZ X]

hmm...very interesting

I would be shocked if they moved up to #8 for a WR

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Aside from the salary cap issue (which is probably insurmountable), I wouldn't put it past BB to trade 23 + 47 to Jax and draft Aaron Curry, and then trade 34 + 89 to Carolina for Peppers, giving us an LB corps of Peppers-Curry-Mayo-Thomas. Then draft a safety at 58. That would certainly throw the league into an uproar. The Commish would have to find an excuse to take away another 1st round pick for doing something which must obviously be illegal.

If that happened,why not just skip the regular season and playoffs and give NE the championship because the odds of winning it all would drop under even money

 

[JoeSixPat]

hmm...very interesting

I would be shocked if they moved up to #8 for a WR

As would I - which is why I think we might be talking about the LT of the future, if true...

But that being said, 2 of our top 3 WRs aren't signed for the long term.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I would also add the continued discussion that all of the top nine teams desperately want to trade down. On NFL Total Access yesterday, it was mentioned that Jax in particular was desperate to trade down.

If anything, maybe the 23 and 47 picks are TOO rich to give up.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

hmm...very interesting

I would be shocked if they moved up to #8 for a WR

I think Belichick is still in shock of drafting a WR early in the day 3 years ago - He probably has nightmares of drafting #17 in his sleep.

I think we pick a WR on day two or very late day one like my binky Massaquoi - Don't see one before #58 anyway

 

[Patriots2001]

Is it possible they will trade #23 + 47 to get into the top 10 then trade that pick to Carolina for Peppers.There may be someone in the top 1o John Fox wants ?

 

[StyLeZ X]

I think Belichick is still in shock of drafting a WR early in the day 3 years ago - He probably has nightmares of drafting #17 in his sleep.

I think we pick a WR on day two or very late day one like my binky Massaquoi - Don't see one before #58 anyway

I have had Massaquoi as my sleeper pick too. I'd like to get a true playmaker at #8, even if a good LT is there. Kind of makes for a boring beginning of the draft IMO.

 

[mayoclinic]

If that happened,why not just skip the regular season and playoffs and give NE the championship because the odds of winning it all would drop under even money

That's why I said the Commish would have to take away a draft pick. It's a fantasy, but it's not totally unrealistic. It won't happen because of the salary cap issue, but I have a feeling that BB may pull a few rabbits out of his hat this draft.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I have had Massaquoi as my sleeper pick too. I'd like to get a true playmaker at #8, even if a good LT is there. Kind of makes for a boring beginning of the draft IMO.

Monroe may be gone before 5 - Oher is a possibility but under pick 10 may be too early to pick him,I would take Oher at about 15 but not at #8

 

[Sicilian]

How fitting would it be for Belichick, who was a pioneer of trading down in the draft for better value, to suddenly trade UP when the rest of the teams finally catch on to the trade-down strategy?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I have had Massaquoi as my sleeper pick too. I'd like to get a true playmaker at #8, even if a good LT is there. Kind of makes for a boring beginning of the draft IMO.

How could the team not pick a WR with the first four letters of his last name being MASS

 

[supafly]

I have had Massaquoi as my sleeper pick too. I'd like to get a true playmaker at #8, even if a good LT is there. Kind of makes for a boring beginning of the draft IMO.

Yeah, the OL picks may be a bit boring for the fans, but just remember that the key to our whole year rests in protecting Tom Brady. More than any other potential trades or draft picks, etc--more than acquiring Julius Peppers or Jason Taylor, the #1 priority for us to have a shot lies in protecting Tom. As long as we can do that much, we have a decent shot at everything. With that said, I would still be geeked about moving up to grab a big road grater.

 

[JoeSixPat]

We may be overlooking the obvious.

This rumor is either true or untrue.

Why would BB issue misinformation of this sort?

Many reasons. A good case in point might be 2003 - when the Patriots had a bevvy of top picks - enough to move up and grab a coveted player.

Rumor was in 2003 that the Patriots wanted Dewayne Robertson. Whether that was true or just a ruse we'll never know for sure - personally I think it was a ruse used to prompt the Jets to blow THEIR two 1st round picks to move up and grab Robertson.

Even after the trade went down and the Jets had the #4 pick, BB was STILL making noise about trading up to #3 to trump the Jets - and the Jets were in talks with Detroit to move up to #2 and spend even MORE money on Robertson and lose another draft pick in the process.

How did things work out?

Pretty well for the Pats, picking up Ty Warren at #13 and turning their other pick into Vince Wilfork the next year - meanwhile there's a long list of players the Jets could have had other than Robertson... including Warren, Terrell Suggs, Troy Polamalu, Terence Newman, Marcus Trufant, Calvin Pace, Dallas Clark... the list goes on and on

I just never stop second guessing motivation during times like these.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Yeah, the OL picks may be a bit boring for the fans, but just remember that the key to our whole year rests in protecting Tom Brady. More than any other potential trades or draft picks, etc--more than acquiring Julius Peppers or Jason Taylor, the #1 priority for us to have a shot lies in protecting Tom. As long as we can do that much, we have a decent shot at everything. With that said, I would still be geeked about moving up to grab a big road grater.

IIRC in 1982 the Redskins picked up 2 boring' but all-pro OL in the first 4 picks and while they were not popular pick,those guys in thier rookie season (Grimm and May) turned out to be 2 members of the hogs who eventually played a huge role in protecting Theismann and blocking for Riggins to help win the SB that year.

 

[PatsDparty]

We may be overlooking the obvious.

This rumor is either true or untrue.

Why would BB issue misinformation of this sort?

Many reasons. A good case in point might be 2003 - when the Patriots had a bevvy of top picks - enough to move up and grab a coveted player.

Rumor was in 2003 that the Patriots wanted Dewayne Robertson. Whether that was true or just a ruse we'll never know for sure - personally I think it was a ruse used to prompt the Jets to blow THEIR two 1st round picks to move up and grab Robertson.

Even after the trade went down and the Jets had the #4 pick, BB was STILL making noise about trading up to #3 to trump the Jets - and the Jets were in talks with Detroit to move up to #2 and spend even MORE money on Robertson and lose another draft pick in the process.

How did things work out?

Pretty well for the Pats, picking up Ty Warren at #13 and turning their other pick into Vince Wilfork the next year - meanwhile there's a long list of players the Jets could have had other than Robertson... including Warren, Terrell Suggs, Troy Polamalu, Terence Newman, Marcus Trufant, Calvin Pace, Dallas Clark... the list goes on and on

Possibly to prompt a division rival to trade up and expend picks - just as he did with the Jets and Dewayne Robertson a few years back (when the Jets had two first round picks, and instead blew them to move up, expend the cash and the picks only Robertson at #4.)

I just never stop second guessing motivation during times like these.

The Pats also were very interested in Sullivan, who turned out to be a bust. They may have had sincere interest in Robertson, but were unwilling in the end to pay what the Jets did.

 

[StyLeZ X]

I trust BB 110%

I cant wait for this draft!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The Pats also were very interested in Sullivan, who turned out to be a bust. They may have had sincere interest in Robertson, but were unwilling in the end to pay what the Jets did.

The Pats could have had Maurice Jones-Drew and Greg Jennings instead of Laurence Maphony and Chad Jackoffson

Even BB screws up in drafts

 

[supafly]

IIRC in 1982 the Redskins picked up 2 boring' but all-pro OL in the first 4 picks and while they were not popular pick,those guys in thier rookie season (Grimm and May) turned out to be 2 members of the hogs who eventually played a huge role in protecting Theismann and blocking for Riggins to help win the SB that year.

Yep. OL picks are very important, but often overlooked at by typical fans wanting that more elusive, flashier type.

The games are won in the trenches, no doubt about that. I would be happy with a 2nd rounder, and also a 3rd-4th rounder, at the very least. It certainly needs to be addressed, at least for depth, camp and positional competition, etc. I really do think it's 'the' key in keeping our hopes alive, gotta protect that QB.

 

[PatsDparty]

The Pats could have had Maurice Jones-Drew and Greg Jennings instead of Laurence Maphony and Chad Jackoffson

Even BB screws up in drafts

Yeah that was my point.

 

[amazinPats]

I think a trade up is definitely possible. The Pats have all the cards with three second rounders. In addition, I think that one of the second rounders will be packaged up for a higher pick in 2010. That would leave the team with one first rounder, one second rounder, and two thirds for this draft. One pick gets moved on to next year, and two picks are traded to move to the top 10 of this year.