Around the Horn rips Patriots for trade

[PatriotsInGA]

They really should rename Around the Horn to "A bunch of irrelevant and mostly over the hill reports sitting around yelling over each other and saying 'controversial' (note: controversial is a a keyword for outlandish and stupid) things to desperately become relevant again". Most of the Around the Horn panel consists of over-the-hill reporters where sports has past them by (Bob Ryan, Woody Paige) or loud mouth blowhards who like to hear themselves by saying things not even they believe (Jay Mariotti, Woody Paige).

The only time Around the Horn is remotely interesting is whenever they can convince an up and coming reporter that it is a good career move to sit with the normal bozos because even if the up and comer isn't that bright he will look like a genius next to guys like Marriotti and Paige. Micheal Smith falls in that category. Hence why he wins almost every time he is on. Granted I am basing that on the very limited amount of times I have watched the show.

trust me it was this or the only movie on directv "Igor". Probably shoulve gone with the move, but i'm watchin PTI.

 

[Rob0729]

Incredible that every single one of them accept the rumor that BB passed on the #12 pick as fact. Then again, doesn't Around the Horn also feature Marriotti, who was just calling for Goodell to investigate the Pats for some sort of wrong doing in regards to the trade?

You know what? If the 12th pick was available and Belichick backed out of the deal with Pioli to take the pick (the only way Belichick could have gotten that pick was basically to reneg on a virtually done trade), ATH and everywhere else would be harping today about how much of a scumbag Belichick was for using his close friend and co-builder of the Patriots Dynasty. Face it. Belichick will never win with the media especially with ESPN and Bob "Why don't people care more about the Celtics than the Pats?" Ryan.

 

[SVN]

ESPN is all about controversy. BB vs pioli. BB vs mcdaniels. Conflicts sell stories unfortunately and thats what they try to create.

 

[CrazyDave]

You cannot always trade a high first.

I can see BB not wanting the third pick in the draft. The money paid for the player is not worth the value you get, and it screws up the salary table, as in how do you re-sign Wilfork and Seymour after paying $60 mil to an unproven rookie

I think BB would have taken the Denver first round pick if the Donkeys had offered it a couple days earlier, but once he agreed to trade with Pioli, he wasn't going to renege and send Cassel to Pioli's division rival. THat would be unconscionable.

Bingo.
That's why YOU make the big bucks.

 

[PatriotsInGA]

I cant read bob ryan's strange articles in the paper like some of ya'll but from wat i see on tv, he seems like the guy u see at a bruins game with a suit on 2 rows bak from the ice.

 

[Wildo7]

You cannot always trade a high first.

I can see BB not wanting the third pick in the draft. The money paid for the player is not worth the value you get, and it screws up the salary table, as in how do you re-sign Wilfork and Seymour after paying $60 mil to an unproven rookie

I think BB would have taken the Denver first round pick if the Donkeys had offered it a couple days earlier, but once he agreed to trade with Pioli, he wasn't going to renege and send Cassel to Pioli's division rival. THat would be unconscionable.

I strongly disagree with this. There is always a team willing to trade up or trade for a high first.

But I do agree that I'm very skeptical that there was any concrete offer out there for it that BB turned down.

 

[PatriotsInGA]

look, bb is smart for not taking a low first rd pick. the average for the top 20 picks in the last 5 years: $31,455,000 for 4 years. bb aint gonna pay that much 4 one player.

 

[shakadave]

I'm watchin around the horn and everyone but bob ryan was saying how the pats passed up the 12th pick just because belicheck was too clueless w/o pioli.

As I understand it, that would have been a really bad three-way trade for Denver. The Pats give up Cassel, get #12 pick. The Bucs get Cassel AND Cutler, I guess, and give up #19 pick. Denver gets #19 pick, gives up #12 pick AND Cutler.

Or was it a two-way trade? We get Denver's #12, they get Cassel and have two QBs.

 

[PatriotsInGA]

As I understand it, that would have been a really bad three-way trade for Denver. The Pats give up Cassel, get #12 pick. The Bucs get Cassel AND Cutler, I guess, and give up #19 pick. Denver gets #19 pick, gives up #12 pick AND Cutler.

Or was it a two-way trade? We get Denver's #12, they get Cassel and have two QBs.

I think the bucs wouldve got cutler, denver got cassel and 19 pick, and pats get 12 pick

 

[SVN]

bottomline..has been said before a 100 times
"there was no other offer on the table when BB made the deal"

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Im going to watch ATH when it comes on in 5 minutes i want to hear what they say!!

 

[Wildo7]

look, bb is smart for not taking a low first rd pick. the average for the top 20 picks in the last 5 years: $31,455,000 for 4 years. bb aint gonna pay that much 4 one player.

Again, I'm not saying there was an actual offer, I personally doubt that's the case.

But people keep saying this as if having that pick means you must use it. If they wanted to trade down they most certainly could.

 

[OhExaulted1]

The line of comments were based on Mariotti's garbage article that FreeTedWilliams called out Sat.


http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-goodell-investigate-sweetheart-kc-trade.html

 

[Wildo7]

watchin it now and they seem to be fair except for Mariotti.

 

[BritPat]

I like Mariotti, but his personal little crusade about this is pathetic.

The rest were spot on I thought.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

If ATH ripped the Pats for the trade, I'm already feeling better about it!

:ditto:

10 char

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

There's nothing wrong with ripping the Pats IF there was a better offer available, the thing is I see no concrete proof of a better offer being on the table when the deal was made. Anything offered afterwards is moot.

I don't know how some of you can approach this idea that #12 was offered to us + a 3rd rounder and we turned it down for a 2nd rounder and say with such confidence we did the right thing. Value is value, even if the Pats don't want to pick 12 you don't just turn down a deal like that. Trade down for a minimal upgrade somewhere else at the worst. There's just no way you can justify not taking a deal like that and if true it'd be the first move/decision in the BB era that I was strongly dissatisfied with. Again, I'm leaning towards the hole #12 + a 3rd rounder rumor being BS so it doesn't really matter to me. I'm happy that contract is off our hands and we got practically another 1st rounder for it.

 

[Wildo7]

There's nothing wrong with ripping the Pats IF there was a better offer available, the thing is I see no concrete proof of a better offer being on the table when the deal was made. Anything offered afterwards is moot.

I don't know how some of you can approach this idea that #12 was offered to us + a 3rd rounder and we turned it down for a 2nd rounder and say with such confidence we did the right thing. Value is value, even if the Pats don't want to pick 12 you don't just turn down a deal like that. Trade down for a minimal upgrade somewhere else at the worst. There's just no way you can justify not taking a deal like that and if true it'd be the first move/decision in the BB era that I was strongly dissatisfied with. Again, I'm leaning towards the hole #12 + a 3rd rounder rumor being BS so it doesn't really matter to me. I'm happy that contract is off our hands and we got practically another 1st rounder for it.

Agreed on all counts.

 

[mtbykr]

The two most seen guys on Around the Horn are Woody Paige and Jay Marriotti.........that says plenty right there, don't waste your time!

 

[PYPER]

I can't believe the amount of stupidity floating around. We didn't turn down a first rounder b/c of financial concerns. Think about it. Even if you don't want the #3 pick, you can always find a partner to trade down with. Hypothetically you could trade down multiple times. #3 for #6, #6 for #9, #9 for #12, etc.. while stockpiling picks every step along the way.

The reason we didn't get a first rounder is simply b/c no one offered one until a verbal agreement had already been made. It's one thing to back out of a verbal agreement with a random team but much harder to do when the agreement is with your best friend. BB did the classy thing and he still gets ripped.

The bottom line is that the Patriots let teams know they wanted to trade Cassel and KC was the only team to step up in a timely manner. The others were playing games and ended up screwing themselves out of a pretty good quarterback.