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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.It would be nice to get a speedier receiver out there to stretch the field so D's wouldn't double down on Moss so much.
That's a pretty controversial statement to some people around here bubs.
What's controversial about it? Name the SPEEDSTER receivers that can stretch a defense, the Pats have outside of Moss.
What's controversial about it? Name the SPEEDSTER receivers that can stretch a defense, the Pats have outside of Moss.
Not that I think we need to cover this ground again, but you can't just say Gaffney "beat out" Stallworth and not consider their salary.
There was no way they were going to keep Stallworth at $6 mil a season when Gaffney had similar numbers.
If Welker's salary demands were $30 million a season, I guess it would be likely that Gaffney would "beat out" Welker too. But that would be a product more of the salary cap than a football decision.
What's controversial about it? Name the SPEEDSTER receivers that can stretch a defense, the Pats have outside of Moss.
But you're forgetting that if both WRs could go deep that would make it easier on the defense!
(I don't know what that means either - but that's what I'm told.)
You play two safeties deep and leave the whole middle of the field between Welkers short territory and the deep area open, because good route running and open catches and runs in that area don't count.
Somebody thinks having a slightly faster receiver is going to keep Moss from getting doubled?
Maybe we could get Bethel Johnson or Chad Jackson back?
out of them all I look for Stallworth's versatility to be the most significant upgrade.
I'm not knocking Moss but I think he's a one trick pony - go fast, go deep, catch the ball.
Stallworth can do that too - but he can do much more. Stallworth was still a major deep threat when he was averaging 14 ypc in New Orleans - its just that he could do much more than just go deep. I think Brady and Belichick are really going to like the fact that he's more than just a deep threat.
Stallworth's contract wasn't 6 million a year. It had a $6m roster bonus and then was about $3m a year.
Gaffney, at the end of the season, had replaced Stallworth. Not because of money, but because he was getting open more often.
Welker is our #2. Watch some football guys: When the Patriots go 2 wide, its Welker and Moss, not Gaffney and Moss. Gaffney is the 3, despite the fact that Welker slides inside on 3 wide.
Actually, Stallworth's salary for 2008 was slated to be $11 million. (... an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008, a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. That totals an exorbitant $11 million for 2008). Stallworth might spend just one year with Patriots - NFL - ESPN
Stallworth's contract wasn't 6 million a year. It had a $6m roster bonus and then was about $3m a year.
The problem with the "get another deep threat" argument (and I realize that's not yours) is that they are really saying "get another great wide receiver who can get deep at will", and those players end up in Pro Bowls, or at least with pretty high salaries. Here's all you really need to know to understand their logic:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/56116-who-will-most-valueable-new-addition-team-year.html#post435796
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/56116-who-will-most-valueable-new-addition-team-year.html#post435886
Didn't you post that before in this thread?
Upset you didn't get enough responses to that so you need to post it again?
That's a little pathetic, don't you think... especially since you're pulling quotes from BEFORE the 2007 season ever started and before Moss and Stallworth had even played ONE DOWN for the Patriots in an attempt to supposedly show that I think Stallworth had a more successful 2007 season than Moss.
If you'd like to obsess about me some more and go back and search my quotes you'll actually see that I made a post saying that I was wrong about Moss being a one trick pony and that it was HE who showed it was an all around great WR... obviously. If you ask me who the better DEEP WR is I'll still say a healthy Stallworth was better deep than Gaffney.
Actually, the fact that you didn't know how it would play out, but you got the Stallworth/Moss dynamic completely wrong is what I was pointing to. Your lack of understanding of the dynamics involved is why your argument fails. It's not because you guessed wrong. It's because you completely fail to understand the dynamics involved in having Randy Moss on the field.
I understand. You think that if one doesn't have 20/20 foresight then their hindsight must be just as myopic!
I was wondering how you were going to rationalize that!
As far as whether we could upgrade over Gaffney, I seem to recall a similar argument going into 2007 when a great deal of effort was made to use statistics to show that the 2006 WR Corps was more than adequate - #6 in the NFL no less - and that no upgrade was necessary.
Thank goodness Coach Belichick and I saw eye to eye on that one!
I think that Gaffney is a good option, but I believe that Aiken will battle for the spot, as well. Barring some young talent coming onto the team, I think that Gaffney and Aiken will battle for the 2/4 spot.