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I willing to scribble it on the bricks, Cassel goes to Tampa Bay.

Also, it's easy to get emotional or crazy, but Cassel is smart. Why else would he sit quietly behind other QB's for so long?

He's not going to take $12-$14M for one year to hide behind Brady while his value massively erodes. He will work with the team to benefit them both. Guaranteed. We've seen enough evidence that he's a team player.

Brady's injured kneee won't be a concern. He's a pocket passer, mentally tough, and we've read numerous times that a repaired ACL is usually stronger than the original.

Even playing out his contract, or for another 4-6 years, we'll have the best QB in the league. Not many Qb's spend as much time in the post-season as Tom and the year off just may have a positive effect.

Thanks DaBruinz for pointing out the cost of letting Brady run, I hadn't thought of that at all. Really, there are two many arguments against keeping Matt over Tom. And it doesn't compare in any tangible way to the Brady/Bledsoe situation. I'm excited about Sunday's game and how this season could turn out. I am also excited about the resumption of the revenge tour (which lasted all of a few game-minutes this year).

Exciting times for Pats fans.

My gut feeling is SF. Not least because thats his home turf. Best case scenario we get a bidding war and a great pick. Im sure BB would want one 2009 and one 2010
 
Actually, the O-line was horribly inconsistent for the 1st 7 games of the season and many of the 28 sacks that Cassel took was a result of their poor play. Of the 17 sacks that Cassel has taken in the last 6 weeks, many have been coverage sacks. Which are to be expected.

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I have to disagree with your assessment here. George Foster is a very good tackle. Gosder Cherlius is a rookie, but has been playing well. Jeff Backus is no slouch, when healthy. Where they are lacking is the guards. And there will be FA guards that they'll be able to look at.

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You are making an awful assumption that it would be career suicide for Cassel to go to Detroit when, on offense, they have the makings for a very potent team. And, considering that the biggest issue (Matt Millen) is gone, Detroit, with a new coach and new GM, is poised to change things around in a hurry. One only has to look at how Atlanta has changed to see the potential for Detroit.

I live in the Detroit TV market, and have followed the team fairly closely (more closely than I would care to...) at least until the TV blackouts became consistant in the 2nd half of this year.

Taking your most important point, no, the biggest issue is the Ford family. The team has been dog**** since they were taken over from the local business consortium in the 1960s, a group of wealthy "sportsmen" (back when that lifestyle still existed) who knew and cared for the city and the game.

The Fords have demonstrated no knowledge of the game, they don't know how to hire talent, and they have no drive to keep up with the Joneses. Matt Millen was one of the worst GMs ever hired by anybody, in any sport, but THEY hired him and paid his paycheck for quite a few years. I can in fact think of no other owners who would have considering hiring Millen at all. They are not exceptional administrators and what talent they possess is devoted mostly to the automotive company. Unless by sheer accident they hire, top-to-bottom and in synchronization, a front office and coaching staff that can succeed despite no direction or appearent effort from the ownership, they and the players that play for them will continue to put out a mediocre to terrible football product.

If you put George Foster and Jeff Backus together you'd have a pretty good tackle. Foster can run block sufficiently, and Backus is a decent pass blocker. The guards, as you mentioned, are bad. I stand by my evaluation of Raiola as the only guy they'd want to make a commitment to going forward. Cherilus looks promising only because there is little promise anywhere else on that line.

Detroit has an offensive line that has repeatedly lead or come close to leading the league in sacks surrended, along with pressures. This year, as I predicted, they have gotten several QBs injured; Kitna twice, second time for good, Orlovsky twice, once for 4 weeks, Culpepper once, Stanton once. Drew Henson played briefly and was sacked on three consectutive passes. If that line was responsible for protecting Tom Brady or Matt Cassel this board would be in an uproar.

Finally, I am amused by your bias against the Pats o-line. Their level of "inconsistency" early in this year was consistently better than anything the Lions' o-line has displayed since the days of Lomas Brown and Kevin Glover, and even back then the right side was dog****.
 
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...Finally, I am amused by your bias against the Pats o-line. Their level of "inconsistency" early in this year was consistently better than anything the Lions' o-line has displayed since the days of Lomas Brown and Kevin Glover, and even back then the right side was dog****.

Damning with faint praise
 
Damning with faint praise

Well, the issue was whether Matt Cassel would want to play for Detroit, not whether our O-line reserves deserve Pro Bowl selections.
 
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Well, the issue was whether Matt Cassel would want to play for Detroit, not whether our O-line reserves deserve Pro Bowl selections.

I understand. However, that Patriots line was pretty bad until Neal returned.
 
Actually, the O-line was horribly inconsistent for the 1st 7 games of the season and many of the 28 sacks that Cassel took was a result of their poor play. Of the 17 sacks that Cassel has taken in the last 6 weeks, many have been coverage sacks. Which are to be expected.

Great rebuttals of a stupid premise.

As to O-line, the poor performance correlates with two developments, (1) NEAL was on PUP and when he returned the line played better, (2) Cassel re-acquired his pocket presence and timing that went moribund during his years of bench warming. This 2nd half season Cassel is a better QB than the 1st half. He's making reads more quickly, keeping his eyes downfield, picking up 2nd & 3rd options consistently and avoiding pressure better. His rapid and continued improvement is a testament to his work ethic, his innate capabilities and to excellent coaching.
 
If Matt Cassell can avoid going to the Lions or the Chiefs, he's going to win a super bowl. Mark my words. There are going to be a lot of "what ifs" rolling through New England in two or three years.

It's really imperative that we don't let him go to the Jets. I think you have to franchise him for that purpose alone. They don't have a high enough pick to get a franchise guy in the draft, and I doubt they'll win the Colt McCoy sweepstakes next year, so keeping Cassell out of the Meadowlands is going to be a good way to keep the Jets down at least until Mangini gets fired.
 
Yep, it does. Right up until the point you realize that the Pats would automatically have over 10 million in dead money against the cap. Then you add in Cassel's numbers and you could be seeing about the same or MORE as a cap hit because of the 30% rule. Short term, this would hamstring them in terms of what they could do in signing other players in 2009.

To be fair, it's not an extra $10M of dead money.

Here's where things would stand with Brady if they keep him:
Salary $5.0M
2005 SB proration $2.9M
2006 option bonus $2.4M
2007 salary proration $1.32M
Roster bonus $3.0M
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Total $14.62M

And if they traded him:
Salary $0
2005 SB proration $2.9M
2006 option bonus $2.4M + $2.4M
2007 salary proration $1.32M + $1.32M
Roster bonus $0
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Total $10.34M

Note that the non-bolded portions are identical, and would happen regardless.
 
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I am curious as to why you believe that the Vikings, who have nothing but JAGS at WR, would be Cassel's best bet?

WR is relatively easy to upgrade - if they fail to do that you are right. They have a terrific defence and running game and play in a very even/poor division so with Cassel and a solid WR they could be a championship contender almost immediately. The Pats won for years without any superstar receivers and they never had a force like Peterson taking the LBs attention away. I see Cassel at the Vikes doing a similar job to Rothlesberger when he won a ring; retain the ball, offer accurate passing and the occasional shot down the field to keep the defence from keying the run.
 
Detroit really is a perfect scenario for all parties, the Lions, Pats and Cassel. Lions have 2 first round picks, so would be more willing to give a #1 or #2. Lions need a QB, and Cassel would start
 
No player should touch Detroit unless there is a very good GM in place. If Piolli or Cowher took over that would be different but as was mentioned earlier the Fords were the problem long before Matt Millen was there. The Lions have been a QB graveyard for as long as I can remember. Also the marketing opportunities in Detroit right now are not good and that makes up a lot of a starting QBs income. I don't see them changing until the team is sold.
 
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Seth Wickersham envisions Cassel and McDaniels redeeming the Lions in 2009:

I think Cassel has created enough value for the Pats that they will get something good for him if they decide to franchise and trade. I still think that is what will happen and the trade will probably happen fairly quickly. A QB needy team probably won't wait too long and hope the Pats get desperate. My guess a team that may be a QB away from being a contender might come calling quickly. My darkhorse pick would be Tampa. They will have a first rounder in the 20s and will be far more willing to part with it than a team in the top 10 for Cassel. Cassel would also make them a strong NFC Super Bowl contender.

McDaniels turned down job interviews last year because he didn't think they were the right opportunities. Why would he go to the Lions? He should be a top 3 or so candidate for any job opening in the NFL. He will be able to find a far better position if he wants to leave than the Lions.
 
IMy darkhorse pick would be Tampa. They will have a first rounder in the 20s and will be far more willing to part with it than a team in the top 10 for Cassel. Cassel would also make them a strong NFC Super Bowl contender.

Bingo. I think this is dead on. Maybe they'll toss in Joey Galloway, since he's been pushed to the side anyway. He's almost old enough to come to New England... ;)
 
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Detroit needs an overhaul. As good as Matt has become, you guys really think he could turn the place around all by himself? Doubtful.

I just don't want to see him go to the Jets.

Cassel's far from a perfect QB - but he's consistently been improving. Even just a few weeks ago he was VERY weak as a deep QB - but his deep passes have been getting more accurate as of late.

He doesn't need a high priced offense - but he does need at least one very good WR, enough of a running game to retain some balance, and an OL to protect him.

He'll have problems without that - just as he has with the Patriots. But give that to him and you'll have a largely productive offense
 
Frankly, I hope Belichick and Pioli can pull some their old magic and get some defensive plugs by trading Cassell.

Honestly, I'm sick of "high-Octane" offense. I'm longing for the old days when any team that tried to run on the Pats was stopped at the line of scrimmage dead-cold on seemingly every play.

That was why we used to drive Manning nuts. All the Colts could do back then was pass on every play and knowing they couldn't run allowed us to blitz him to death.

Yup, I'm ready for old school defense even if we had to trade Moss too.:eek:
 
I was with you up until that point. :)

hey, I wanna keep him too, but we've won 3 SB's without receivers like Moss. I LOVE the guy, but I'm just sayin'. I was more proud of the "MY TEAM" (the Pats) when we had a defense that other teams feared. I felt far more pride than I felt last year for our high-octane offense. Now I'm almost ashamed of out D.

The old saying "Defense wins championships" really can't be denied. Look who won last year. :rolleyes:
 
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hey, I wanna keep him too, but we've won 3 SB's without receivers like Moss. I LOVE the guy, but I'm just sayin'. I was more proud of the "MY TEAM" (the Pats) when we had a defense that other teams feared. I felt far more pride than I felt last year for our high-octane offense. Now I'm almost ashamed of out D.

The old saying "Defense wins championships" really can't be denied. Look who won last year. :rolleyes:
The high octane offense came in when the Pats had the chance to grab Welker and Moss for pennies on the dollar - it was also influenced by the Polian rules affecting secondaries. It was cheaper to bring in top flight Wide Receivers than it would be to bring in top flight CBs - and no, I'm not considering Samuel a "shutdown" CB who can play a lot of Man coverage, keeping him for Philly's mad money wasn't the answer.

I believe people are giving up on this defense too quickly - for all the mediots talk of old and slow, Mayo, Meriweather, Guyton, Wheatley, Woods, and Wilhite have played a lot, which lowers the experience level considerably. BB sacrificed games to develop his youngsters - forged in fire as it were. Mayo, Guyton, Woods, and Meriweather have/had really come on, Wilhite has flashed us some hope against weak QB/WR teams, we'll see more from him tomorrow. Looking ahead to 2009, things aren't as dark on D as people would like to think.
 
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