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***ausbacker*** · 06-17-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

What is it about Redsox/Yankees that brings the idiot out of so many people?

The two teams are arugably (they are IMO) the two best in baseball. They are both well built teams (I think the Sox are better built for the playoffs) that should make the playoffs. Obviously injuries can change that, or the Rays, but I think it will be Sox/Yankees coming out of the AL East, and into the playoffs. Who gets first is anyone's guess. I say that cuz the Sox are 8-0 against the Yankees, which is a 16 game swing in the standings. Yes, 16 games!

Despite that, the Yankees are only 2 games back. So it's not far fetched to figure the Yanks could win the division, since their record is better versus the rest of the league. In the end though, what difference does it make who takes first, if you both make it. I'd prefer first, but "getting into the tournament (as Tuna would say) is what really matters most.

Double G, if you aren't a Yankees fan, and haven't watched Yankees games for the last 10-15 years, you wouldn't understand why Torre was let go. The guy lost his fastball a few years ago. He got stale so to speak, and it was just time to move on. It happens. I love Torre for all that he did, but I thought he should have moved on a few years prior. He's a good manager, but he, and the team, each needed a change of scenery. He started to coach not to lose, as opposed to win, like he used to. Maybe he just got too comfortable, or the pressure was getting to him, or maybe it was the players the Yankees were putting on the field. One way or another, something had to give, and usually it's the coach that changes. Managerially, he was killing the bullpen, and he never trusted young players much. They insituted the "Joba Rules" for that first reason. Torre used to fall in love with players to the point where they'd be dl'd from a broken arm by the end of August. The rules for Chamblerlain were to protect him from Torre. Both sides needed to go their separate ways. I'm not sold on Girardi though. I expected more creativity than he's provided.

I like the Sox team. They play excellent defense, cover a lot of ground in the OF, and have clutch hitters up the line-up. They need a SS, but they have the $$, and chips to aquire one. The pen is very good, as are the starters. They are a well built team. Anyone who says otherwise is a hater. My concerns were i a Sox fan, would be the bottom of the line-up, and the end of the rotation in the 2nd half of the season. I mention the rotation only cuz you have to wonder what Dice-k will be like, what a 42 year old Smoltz will be in September, and whether Wake evens out over the long haul. They could all be excellent mind you. I'm merely saying it's something to maybe pay attention to.

The Yankees are only going to get better IMO. They have been decimated by injuries so far this season, to key players (Arod, Nady, Posada, Bruney, Marte, Wang, Molina) and are still 2 games back, and in the WC lead. They haven't had either set up man for the season (Marte/Bruney), and that's killed their pen. Arod is hitting .225, Nady is still out, Wang (2 time 19 game winner) is still trying to find himself physically after last years season ending injury, and Burnett really hasn't pitched well at all. The point is, there is considerable room for the Yankees to improve, and all things being equal, they should. I think it's going to be a terrific summer of baseball. Talk baseball and enjoy it fellas.

It's interesting that your concerns for the Red Sox are speculative, yet your points regarding the Wankmees are based around the what if and strength of financial position.

That ladies and gentlemen, is why the Wankmees and everything about them are wankers.

scout · 06-17-2009, 10:30 PM

The Sox won again tonight. Penny, the 5th starter is now 6-2. Meanwhile, the Yanks lost, tho, Wang pitched well giving up only 3 runs. The bad news is it was against the Nationals. Wang is now 0-5. The good news for the Yanks, is that they sent out thier ace and won last night. The bad new is it was a close game and it was against the Nationals.
I'll go on record right now, the Red Sox and Rays will make the playoffs. The Yanks will stay home, again.

NewYorkJets1993 · 06-17-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scout

The Sox won again tonight. Penny, the 5th starter is now 6-2. Meanwhile, the Yanks lost, tho, Wang pitched well giving up only 3 runs. The bad news is it was against the Nationals. Wang is now 0-5. The good news for the Yanks, is that they sent out thier ace and won last night. The bad new is it was a close game and it was against the Nationals.
I'll go on record right now, the Red Sox and Rays will make the playoffs. The Yanks will stay home, again.

Bold call. I say no.

scout · 06-18-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NewYorkJets1993

Bold call. I say no.

The Rays will be coming on strong. The Sox have major pitching strength. The Yankees have more freakin' holes in their rotation and bullpen then my 2001 Patriot's championship T-shirt.
The posts by you and RW concerning the Yankees chances is based on hope that certain players start performing to go along with the praying that the Sox collapse. The curse is over, at least it is for the Sox.

Real World · 06-18-2009, 10:07 AM

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I guess you don't watch ESPN.
Again, what I said was the baseball people on ESPN were very good.
Did you want to argue that fact.
Peter Gammons (HOF)
Tim Kurkjian
Buster Onley
For an ex-player, Kruk's not bad.

I always watch ESPN. Oh, and this is what you said.

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the previous 30 games? It's not like the yankees were actually good in those 30 games. Don't take my word for it, listen to the critics on espn ( who are actually damn good and shouldn't be confused with espn as a whole). Heck, you could make a case for the blue jays being great as they held first place longer then the yanks.

Had you named people specifically, then I'd have opined as to the merrits of each one. However, you made the blanket statement that the Yankees weren't good in "those 30 games", and pointed to ESPN as reinforcement of your point. This would be the same ESPN that has Steve Phillips on every night, who said 2 years ago that the Yankees needed to sign Barry Zito & Jason Schmidt in that offseason, if they wanted to make the playoffs (he's a moron). I'd hardly point to ESPN to make a point. It's like pointing to WEEI, or FOX News, and saying I'm right, cuz they said so too. That station has "analysts" or "experts" on, for every sport, that make less informed opinions than posters in this very forum. I'd put more weight into Synovia, or Foley's posts, than I would half the analysts on ESPN. Call me crazy, but they know more than some of those clowns do. IMO anyway.

Real World · 06-18-2009, 10:17 AM

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Confused? Gee, go onto a NY Yankee site and tell them how great the Sox are, in fact that they are better then the Yankees.
To sum up the last paragraph: What if the Sox rotation doesn't pan out while the Yankees haven't pitced well, or you coud say wishful thinking.
The fact of the matter is that the Red Sox are loaded with depth from the starting rotation to the bullpen. Go ahead and match each pitcher head to head and you'll end up saying something like ya but....
As I mentiond earlier, I always keep an eye on the Yankees, but its the Rays who will be the Sox's main competition when all is said and done.
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As usual, you're blinded by emotion. Who's confused btw? Did I not say the Sox are a very well built team, with a very good bullpen & starters?

The Rays might take first in this division, that's how good the top 3 teams are. Personally, I think they get outlasted by the Sox & Yankees, but you never know. The season is 162 games long, and a lot can happen in the next 100 games that remain. We shall see I guess.

Real World · 06-18-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

It's interesting that your concerns for the Red Sox are speculative, yet your points regarding the Wankmees are based around the what if and strength of financial position.

That ladies and gentlemen, is why the Wankmees and everything about them are wankers.

Wankmees? You come up with that one all by yourself?

All I did was post some thoughts. Some personal opinion, analysis, and hypotheticals, from the season as it stands, and possibilities moving forward. I guess my points about how well built the Sox are get ignored, cuz I dared to say that the only potential (big word, so you might want to look it up) problems I see, are how a 42 year old pitcher performs at the end of the season, and whether another 40+ knuckler baller evens out from his current 9-3 record. I'm such a hater!!! I didn't even say they would suck at the end of the year, or struggle, I said it's the only real thing to pay attention to.

I said "all things being equal, they should get better IMO" (or something like that). I don't see how that is anything but objective, when you consider the reasons I mentioned. I always tend to think that consistency plays itself out. A career .300 hitter who hits .350 in the first half, will likely be around his usual .300 at season end, or vice versa. It's not always the case, but it evens out in more cases than not. With that in mind, I see room for improvement from Wang & Arod at the very least. Those are two huge players. If they alone even out, then the Yanks should be better. Add in Bruney in the 8th (their bullpen has struggled), and Nady's bat into the line-up, and I don't see how saying they'll be better is so far fetched.

Real World · 06-18-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scout

The Rays will be coming on strong. The Sox have major pitching strength. The Yankees have more freakin' holes in their rotation and bullpen then my 2001 Patriot's championship T-shirt.
The posts by you and RW concerning the Yankees chances is based on hope that certain players start performing to go along with the praying that the Sox collapse. The curse is over, at least it is for the Sox.

So one game last night certifies it for you. Sheesh. Lannan has pitched very well for the Nationals this year, as is evidenced by his 3.51 ERA heading into last nights game. There are two ways to look at the game IMO. You can look at Wang's performance, and be encouraged that he's on his way back to form, or you can say "see, he's 0-5, you lost to the Nationals, you won't make the playoffs". I prefer to look at the marathon that is a 162 game season, and be encouraged that Wang pitched so well. He really should have only given up one run, since Posada gunned down a base stealer, but Pena (no Jeter last night) dropped the ball (1 out), and the next batter was called safe at first, when the replay showed he was clearly out by half a step (2 outs). Both scored, and the Yankees lost by 1 run. If you don't watch the game, you don't know/see that. If Wang gets back to being himself (he was 92-94 mph all night last night), then the Yankees will be in very good shape in the second half. They are in the WC lead inspite of him. I think that's a point that people miss. His starts have been guaranteed losses, except for his most recent appearances.

Double G · 06-18-2009, 11:09 AM

[quote=Real World;1409375]What is it about Redsox/Yankees that brings the idiot out of so many people?

It's just good natured ball busting; Sox fans had heard it (and deservidly so) from Yankee fans for 86 years, but since 2004, the shoe is on the other foot.

The two teams are arugably (they are IMO) the two best in baseball. They are both well built teams (I think the Sox are better built for the playoffs) that should make the playoffs. Agreed; the Red Sox and the Yankees are far and away the two best teams in baseball right now, that could change between now and the playoffs. And you are also correct in that the Red Sox are better built for the playoffs due to one word; pitching. Our starters and bullpen give us a leg up on the Yankees right now (trades, injuries, etc could change that however).

In the end though, what difference does it make who takes first, if you both make it. I'd prefer first, but "getting into the tournament (as Tuna would say) is what really matters most. Agreed, as long as you get there is all that matters.

Double G, if you aren't a Yankees fan, and haven't watched Yankees games for the last 10-15 years, you wouldn't understand why Torre was let go. separate ways. You are 100% correct on that, you saw him everyday, I did not, so you are probably accurate to say he got stale and lost his fastball and it was time to move on.

I'm not sold on Girardi though. I expected more creativity than he's provided. It may sound trivial, but he lost me last April vs the Sox, runners on 2nd and 3rd, two outs, first base open and he pitched to Manny, who ripped a single and two runs scored. A pony league manager would have walked Manny in that situation.

I mention the rotation only cuz you have to wonder what Dice-k will be like, what a 42 year old Smoltz will be in September.................I don't get this fascination with Smoltz; he's 42 years old coming off of an injury and everyone in this town it seems wants to trade away a guy who's 6-2 and throw Smoltz in there. What if you do and he can't do the job, what then? Idiotic; go with a 6 man rotation if you have to, I am not sold on this guy and trading away a guy who's 6-2 makes zero sense to me.

I think it's going to be a terrific summer of baseball. Talk baseball and enjoy it fellas. Yes it will and yes we should/QUOTE]

Double G · 06-18-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NewYorkJets1993

Atta boy Real World. That's everything I've been saying.

No it's not; you've been babbling like a 90 year old in a bathrobe down at the nut house ever since you set up shop here while RealWorld is knowledgeable, thoughtful and not a yahoo, everything that you're not (but you are a yahoo, lock, stock and barrel).

AND, RealWorld is also a Patriots, Bruins and Celtics fan, while in addition to a Yankee fan, you're fvcking Jets fan, so that makes you a two time loser.

So there you go.