Why We Won't Win It All

Discussion in 'The Practice Squad' started by letekro, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Screw that. The "rational mind" causes folks like you to turn off the television or leave the stadium with the Patriots down by 12 with 2 minutes left. Your line of thinking is best reserved for hindsight, not to concede defeat before it happens.
  2. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    How dare you introduce facts to disoute the infamous 'I know one single reason why a team will win or lose' commentary.
    Careful or you will cut the posts on this board in half if people catch on.
  3. letekro

    letekro Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    I hear you that we could get hot over a 3-game stretch, but I think my thread wording is fine given that we are dead last in red zone efficiency without Gronk. What you are talking about falls into the "hope" category, and I'm not sure what the point of discussing that is, since we all "hope" the Patriots will win.

    Of course, if the Pats had an elite D, we might be able to overcome the red zone problem, but they don't, and no reinforcements are coming. So, it is not just the red zone that will prevent them from winning; I just worded it that way since the Gronk injury is fresh and we have known for a few weeks now that we would not be having an elite D in the playoffs this year.
  4. letekro

    letekro Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    I did neither. I also intend to watch the playoffs even though I don't think the Patriots have any realistic chance to win the SB, if that's OK with you. But only if it's ok with you, so please let me know. Thanks
  5. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Until this offense is back to full strength with what they have left (meaning Thompkins and Dobson returning), we will not know if they can score with consistency in the red zone.
  6. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Since you ask, I wouldn't waste my time bothering with it if I were you. Why waste your time? You've concluded their cause is futile.
  7. Gronkandez

    Gronkandez 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    I agree with both of these posts. On that 3rd and 4ish before their last FG I was really hoping they would run the ball then go for it if they came up short. Blount was bowling guys over all game long.
  8. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    However, your statistics will be irrelevant to their success in the playoffs. What they do on the field in those games would.
    If you used a bad regular season stat in an area you consider crucial to eliminate SB contenders half of the winners wouldn't have won.
  9. Brady6

    Brady6 Pro Bowl Player

    I think it's unfair to expect this team to win it all personally. If they do it would be one of the most impressive feats I've witnessed in my lifetime. When you consider teams like the Falcons, Giants, Raven, Texans and others who crumbled in the face of minimal adversity this team going 11-5 or 12-4 and making the playoffs despite all it's faced is a great achievement in my opinion. Would I love for them to win a championship? Hell yeah but I won't see it as failure if they don't given the circumstances.
  10. letekro

    letekro Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Thanks. This is informative. Obviously, no purely offensive or defensive metric will be conclusive because a great offensive team with a terrible defense is just as bad as a great defensive team with a terrible offense. However, since the newly introduced variable is the bad red zone offense (caused by Gronk's departure), my post focuses on that. A post saying "we will not win it all because we are not good enough overall", while true, is not really compelling.
  11. Sciz

    Sciz PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    If there's anything I've learned over the past few seasons, it's that the only acceptable answer to "why won't [team] win it all?" is "because they've been eliminated from playoff contention."
  12. RayClay

    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

    Jermaine Wiggins Rod Rutledge

    Troy Brown David Patten Charles Johnson Fred Coleman

    6th in points Super Bowl Champion
  13. letekro

    letekro Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    That's why I'll continue to watch. There is always a chance, even where the evidence suggests that chance is remote.
  14. dales804

    dales804 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    All game long? His first two runs of the game, the 1st and 3rd offensive plays for NE, went for 11 and 9 yards, respectively. That was about 42% of his total yardage for the day. He had 6 of his 11 carries go for two or less yards. I think they need to run more, too, and while Blount has been running better lately (i.e. not going down at first contact) he wasn't anything amazing yesterday.
  15. chasa

    chasa In the Starting Line-Up

    why we wont win it all?

    Because its really hard to win a superbowl?
    Because there are going to be 11 other teams in the playoffs looking to win it
  16. neuronet

    neuronet In the Starting Line-Up

    For me it is all about expectation management. When my expectations are high/optimistic, the let down hurts. When my expectations are low, and turn out to be wrong, it is an awesome rush.

    I think this is common, but it seems even more common with Boston sports fans. I tend to chalk it up to years of disappointment with the Pats and Sox. You learned to not let your expectations get too high...(I grew up a fan in the 1970s with some amazing teams that never won the big game).

    OTOH, the OP isn't exactly going out on a limb. RZ efficiency is extremely important, and without Gronk ours takes a hit.

    Between homerism and pessimism is realism. That's what I try to be, but often it comes off as pessimistic...I think most of the pessimistic fans would say they are realists. E.g., when down 24-0, is it really being pessimistic to say we don't have much of a chance? No. But you hope they pull it out, and don't go overboard and say BB and Brady are done, need to be fired, that Brady is too old for a comeback, etc..

    It is possible to be an intelligent realist. I haven't quite figured out how to do it yet, though, I have to admit. :bricks:
  17. RayClay

    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

    As to your original contention...Dobson and Thomkins have good size and skills, and with the bunch of slot type receivers, RBs and a great Rb/Wr we have lots more options than some former Patriots champions who had nothing to compare with Gronk (I'll include Watson and Graham in that category).

    Reply to a recent poster..yeah it's damn hard, it's not supposed to be easy and other flawed teams will win it if we aren't as hungry as the past.
  18. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    By week 15 of the regular season, the last 3 Champions appeared to have virtually no chance of winning a SB.

    2012 Ravens (fresh off a 34-17 loss to the team they would play in the div round by the way, their 3rd consecutive loss)
    2011 Giants 7-7
    2010 Packers 8-6 and not even in if the playoffs ended week 15
  19. RayClay

    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

    It's the least predictable of the major sports IMO. Odd shaped ball takes funny bounces, great game plans put more talented teams on defensive ans emotion and biorhythms, for lack of a better term means, on any given Sunday.

    Not that I like vulgarity (well maybe I do) but it's encouraging to me that Brady would be pissed to lose if he was down to a team full of waiver wire castoffs. There's something about Brady this year that's really exciting. He looks like somebody stole his bike after every loss and I have to think all those rookies and young players are catching some of that fever.
  20. letekro

    letekro Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    This is true, but those teams were playing their best ball at the end of the year. Anything is possible, but I would be surprised to see the Pats at their best in the coming weeks without Gronk and with the rookie receivers and half the defense and offensive line all hobbled.

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