Drake Maye vs Jayden Daniels

Jim Beankie · Apr 22, 2024

I voted Daniels over Maye due to what I've read about both players' work ethic, which started way back when with a random search for VR and QB training. I would strongly prefer that Daniels stay in the pocket 99.9% of the time if a sack is not imminent, though, and pretty much skipped all his QB runs when I watched his tape.

Also, I personally feel that Daniels is closer to ready to start in many different ways. That being said, once the Pats make their pick for whomever, I'll root for that QB hard and unapologetically defend them.

At this point, I'm starting to not give a F and just want to get it over with, so I can stop analyzing 10ish QBs and just focus on 1 (or 2 if they go crazy).

KCSVEN · Apr 22, 2024

raduray said:
This board generally seems to prefer Maye over Daniels, but general consensus is that the Commanders, having a choice between the two, will select Daniels. So why the disparity? I mean, the Commanders front office are pros whose careers depend on this choice while this forum is just the peanut gallery. Is it the fit?

IF it is true there are a number of reasons. I agree most mocks and scouts now rank Daniels over Maye. I think teams get hung up on production in college for some reason.

It was completely dumb to rank a 5 foot 10 QB, 205 lb guy with average arm strength, no real scrambling ability, that played with an all-star cast as a first rounder, never mind first overall. Not hindsight for me, thought so at the time. Explain that 1 to me?

I looked back at ALL the QB scouting reports online, found 1 guy that said Bryce Young's floor is a career backup and he was a huge risk.
1 guy out of probably 100 I looked at. Only 1 guy remotely hinted he was as good a chance to bust as being a top 5 QB.

I think you explain that you can use the same reasoning why anyone could possibly have Daniels over Maye.
Maye has the better arm, the better build and Maye was way more productive at 20 and 21 than Daniels. Go figure?

raduray · Apr 22, 2024

moosekill said:
We just had 20 years of the greatest qb ever and he wasn't a running qb, he was a somewhat immoblile pocket passer. Dual threat qb's are always popular because they are exciting. They just never win anything.

And then there's Patrick Mahomes

moosekill · Apr 22, 2024

raduray said:
And then there's Patrick Mahomes

Mahomes isn't a running qb. Mahomes is a pass first scramble around to get free and throw qb. Completely different than Daniels, more similar to Maye.

Pats1971 · Apr 22, 2024

moosekill said:
Mahomes isn't a running qb. Mahomes is a pass first scramble around to get free and throw qb. Completely different than Daniels, more similar to Maye.

This, and frankly Mahomes probably wont last that long.

lancerman · Apr 22, 2024

Pats1971 said:
This, and frankly Mahomes probably wont last that long.

Mahomes won't last as long as Brady, but he'll last longer than guys like Cam. I predict he'll lose some of his speed in around 5ish years and be a lot less dangerous though still a threat. Probably closer to an Aaron Rodgers type nowadays that he lost a step

IcyPatriot · Apr 22, 2024

Jayden Daniels might be better ... I don't know.
I just cannot vision him staying healthy ... just a hunch.

Aussie Patriot · Apr 23, 2024

State · Apr 24, 2024

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I agree with Rodney on Maye.

Maye needs a strong supporting cast like he had two seasons ago. Last year without one he regressed.

What do you think he will be with our weak offense?

slash83 · Apr 24, 2024

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I agree with Rodney on Maye.

Maye needs a strong supporting cast like he had two seasons ago. Last year without one he regressed.

What do you think he will be with our weak offense?

Didn’t NC change their scheme or OC in 23? Could be a combo of that and a weak supporting cast to explain the regression in 23.

Not every QB is Brady or Mahomes, some QBs just need a stronger supporting cast to succeed in the NFL, nothing wrong with that.

KCSVEN · Apr 24, 2024

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I agree with Rodney on Maye.

Maye needs a strong supporting cast like he had two seasons ago. Last year without one he regressed.

What do you think he will be with our weak offense?

He didn't have a strong supporting cast in 2022, he had Josh Downs, a decent OC, below average O Line and had absolutely zero running game. His lead back averaged 4.3 yards in college, that's low. Offense was 66th in the country in yards per carry, playing in the ACC, that's bad.
Maye led the team in rushing that year, Drake Maye, Patrick Mahomes and Johnny Manziel are the last 3 QB's to have averaged 300 yards per game passing and also led their team in rushing in college.

He had the 2022 Patriots offense and coaching at UNC in 2023. Terrible coaching, terrible receivers, pretty good running game, below average line.

Despite all that PFF still had the UNC Passing offense ranked 8th in country in 2023 and 2nd in 2022.

I am so nervous the rumors are not true, and Washington takes Maye at 2, it is a beautiful thing if he gets to 3, we are set at QB for 15 years, so nervous it doesn't happen but giddy that it looks like it will.

Ivan · Apr 24, 2024

I like both, but I think Maye has a higher ceiling as a passer, and he would be a better fit in Van Pelt’s offense. I’ll be happy if they take any of the 3, the only thing I don’t want is a trade out of the spot. Once you trade out you lose all control over the QB’s, and while it would be nice to get one of the top 4 as well as extra picks getting the QB is the priority for this franchise. I’m not interested in the back ups left after the top 4.

Love The Drake · Apr 24, 2024

KCSVEN said:
He didn't have a strong supporting cast in 2022, he had Josh Downs, a decent OC, below average O Line and had absolutely zero running game. His lead back averaged 4.3 yards in college, that's low. Offense was 66th in the country in yards per carry, playing in the ACC, that's bad.
Maye led the team in rushing that year, Drake Maye, Patrick Mahomes and Johnny Manziel are the last 3 QB's to have averaged 300 yards per game passing and also led their team in rushing in college.

He had the 2022 Patriots offense and coaching at UNC in 2023. Terrible coaching, terrible receivers, pretty good running game, below average line.

Despite all that PFF still had the UNC Passing offense ranked 8th in country in 2023 and 2nd in 2022.

I am so nervous the rumors are not true, and Washington takes Maye at 2, it is a beautiful thing if he gets to 3, we are set at QB for 15 years, so nervous it doesn't happen but giddy that it looks like it will.

My QB rankings Mccarthy, Maye, Daniels, Penix, Nix, Rattler, and then pray for something later.

BTTA · Apr 24, 2024

Randy Meuller from the Athletic on Maye:

His biggest asset, and probably what I hear most often as his top redeeming quality, is his size. Clearly, that can’t be argued: 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds is the frame we are all looking for, so you’ll get no dispute there from me. But the traits that follow are mostly ordinary. That includes processing (questionable decision-making), accuracy (very inconsistent) and his semi-long release, which slows his ability to get the ball out of his hand. And yes, I watched some of the 2022 season as well. I struggled most with the frequency of his misses and his decision-making under pressure. I think he can improve on some of these things, but it’s going to take time, and it requires a leap of faith that I’m not ready to make.

Randy Mueller spent 35 years in the NFL at all levels of football operations, from ballboy to general manager. A former NFL Executive of the Year...

KDPPatsfan85 · Apr 24, 2024

Aussie Patriot · Apr 24, 2024

BTTA said:
Randy Meuller from the Athletic on Maye:

His biggest asset, and probably what I hear most often as his top redeeming quality, is his size. Clearly, that can’t be argued: 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds is the frame we are all looking for, so you’ll get no dispute there from me. But the traits that follow are mostly ordinary. That includes processing (questionable decision-making), accuracy (very inconsistent) and his semi-long release, which slows his ability to get the ball out of his hand. And yes, I watched some of the 2022 season as well. I struggled most with the frequency of his misses and his decision-making under pressure. I think he can improve on some of these things, but it’s going to take time, and it requires a leap of faith that I’m not ready to make.

Randy Mueller spent 35 years in the NFL at all levels of football operations, from ballboy to general manager. A former NFL Executive of the Year...

If that's all he wrote then it's a pretty poor assessment as he's left off some of his best traits.

Big arm, off platform throws, mobility, ability to sense pressure in pocket, toughness and will to win to name a few.

BTTA · Apr 24, 2024

Aussie Patriot said:
If that's all he wrote then it's a pretty poor assessment as he's left off some of his best traits.

Big arm, off platform throws, mobility, ability to sense pressure in pocket, toughness and will to win to name a few.

He's essentially saying that a processing deficit, long release, and low accuracy make those things you cite irrelevant (without acknowledging if they are true). Having a big arm isn't useful if you can't find an open guy quickly and deliver it accurately.

I'm not sure where you are getting toughness and will to win, but to me any information we fans get along those lines is superficial and probably manufactured for our consumption.

Aussie Patriot · Apr 24, 2024

BTTA said:
He's essentially saying that a processing deficit, long release, and low accuracy make those things you cite irrelevant (without acknowledging if they are true). Having a big arm isn't useful if you can't find an open guy quickly and deliver it accurately.

I'm not sure where you are getting toughness and will to win, but to me any information we fans get along those lines is superficial and probably manufactured for our consumption.

If he can't fix his accuracy issues then he won't make the grade in the NFL. However people that know more about that stuff than me have said its a footwork issue that's fixable. I don't know either way but the point is that all potential QB have issues.

I've seen him get hit hard and in pain get back up and soldier on. There's plenty of reports from coaches team mates etc on his toughness and another reason he has been critisized on accuracy is trying to carry his bad team on his back, hence having to make risky throws.

Anyway, i have no issue with someone not liking him, as there's certainly question marks, but it's a one sided assessment if you leave off his strengths and just list his weaknesses.

KDPPatsfan85 · Apr 24, 2024

Sounds like if Maye is gone before #3, we're trading back.

Give Kraft A Hand · Apr 24, 2024

KDPPatsfan85 said:
Sounds like if Maye is gone before #3, we're trading back.

This makes sense. Although I'm more of a fan of the Pats taking Daniels since it seems like Daniels actually wants to play here over Washington. If the Pats do trade out they need to get a monumental haul for it to make sense to reach on Penix Jr.

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