How Belichick lost his place in posterity

I'm sensing a bit of attrition in this woeful thread amongst the Tampa Bay Ghetto refugee contingent. It's about time.

Wozzy said:

They needed one tackle, Wirfs can play either side well.

If they didn’t get Gronk, they still had Brate and OJ Howard. Gronk was adding strength to a strength. Hardly necessary, gravy.

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Words was brought in to play RT and was excellent. He has since moved to LT (just this past year, I think). I don’t think TE was a strength for them. Howard never seemed to perform to his apparent talent label and Brate is no more than a competent TE. At least for the Brady, Gronk seed to be a key addition. But I agree, I might be splitting hairs here.

sb1 said:

They had almost no running game and the 29th ranked defense in scoring thanks to one of the worst pass defenses in the league in 2019.

I don't think their 7-9 record happened just because their QB threw a bunch of picks...

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what?

Winston was historically amazing at turning over the ball lmao.

I mean come on, man. You can do better than that argument. LOL. My guy threw THIRTY PICKS and only one more a TD in his last season with TB.

NormZauchin said:

Bill did win a playoff game against the Parcells Patriots on 1/1/1995.

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Right, he won a playoff game for Cleveland 30 years ago. My mistake.

1960Pats said:

Right, he won a playoff game for Cleveland 30 years ago. My mistake.

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He's won 30 playoff games since then. My mistake.

1960Pats said:

I wouldn't want the job of trying to defend Bill's record without Brady. He's Wrecks Ryan without any playoff wins.

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BB did not select Corky Mac and when BB did conclude that Corky was a worse loser than he thought and wanted to trade the bum, team Kraft would not allow it.

Team Kraft is firmly a the helm now. Everyone hand picked by Thunder himself.

sb1 said:

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Facts suck for you...

Wozzy said:

Facts suck for you...

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As I explained to you many times, using PPG alone is not a good way to measure the quality of a defense.

Pats had the #2 defense by PPG in the league in 2021. Were they “great”? Could have fooled me in that Buffalo wild card game…

sb1 said:

As I explained to you many times, using PPG alone is not a good way to measure the quality of a defense.

Pats had the #2 defense by PPG in the league in 2021. Were they “great”? Could have fooled me in that Buffalo wild card game…

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Weren't you just pointing out the ppg from the year before Brady arrived in another debate.

Haha 36 pages ….. how bout them Bruins ???

signbabybrady said:

Weren't you just pointing out the ppg from the year before Brady arrived in another debate.

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Don’t recall. PPG is one metric to measure a defense but it doesn’t do that all by itself.

See Patriots 2021 wild card game.

sb1 said:

As I explained to you many times, using PPG alone is not a good way to measure the quality of a defense.

Pats had the #2 defense by PPG in the league in 2021. Were they “great”? Could have fooled me in that Buffalo wild card game…

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I wonder which defense had the best offensive support over that same time period?

sb1 said:

Don’t recall. PPG is one metric to measure a defense but it doesn’t do that all by itself.

See Patriots 2021 wild card game.

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One game vs one of the better QBs in the league doesn't undo the whole year. Plus wasn't special teams a big part of that 1?

sb1 said:

As I explained to you many times, using PPG alone is not a good way to measure the quality of a defense.

Pats had the #2 defense by PPG in the league in 2021. Were they “great”? Could have fooled me in that Buffalo wild card game…

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Points is the most important stat in football.

One game where Mac threw two interceptions against the AFC favorite is an indicator of nothing.

You really don’t understand football.

Wozzy said:

Points is the most important stat in football.

One game where Mac threw two interceptions against the AFC favorite is an indicator of nothing.

You really don’t understand football.

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Points is important in one game. PPG not really. That graph is worthless.

signbabybrady said:

One game vs one of the better QBs in the league doesn't undo the whole year. Plus wasn't special teams a big part of that 1?

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Wasn’t just that game they couldn’t stop good offenses despite their ranking. PPG is not a good measurement of a defense when used by itself.

The Steelers had the #1 ranked defense in points one year and they got embarrassed by Tebow in the playoffs.

1960Pats said:

Right, he won a playoff game for Cleveland 30 years ago. My mistake.

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A sullen admission guilt after making a factually incorrect statement. Look, I don't defend Belichick's record without Brady, but what does it take to check an assertion (in this case of no playoff victories) on the internet? I guess according to your logic, one can lie freely about anything that happened thirty or more years ago.

signbabybrady said:

He's won 30 playoff games since then. My mistake.

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The discussion was about Bill's record without Brady.